Hmm? I always get confused by those emotes , what does this one mean?
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Ahh but the question remains "at what?" My answer to the post or the post itself .... the mystery remains unsolved XD
Edit: And I think someone Blacklisted me for this comment ... The counter went up by 2 on the Stats page after I made this post. This is funny :D
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Neh, don't worry about blacklist. People blacklist for anything. Plus there are a million users registered on the site, what is 2 or even 2000 blacklists anyway? :)
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It means you're not making eye contact [due to looking to the side], and is used to express some form of discomfort or embarrassment [real or parodied], usually directed toward your own actions/state.
Examples:
- "Whoops, I guess you were right, I had that mistaken. My bad. >.>" (Meaning: "I made an oopsie.")
- "I guess that's a better way of doing that, yeah.. >.>" (Meaning: "I was wrong.")
- "I can't believe I just read an entire page of this silly thread.. >.>" (Meaning: "I did something stupid.")
- "Oh, come on. You know you liked it. >.>" (Meaning (parodying): "It's not like I did something weird..")
- "You'd think I'd know by now that ordering a Groupees bundle with no preorder hints is a bad idea.. >.>" (Meaning: "I should really know better..")
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Woah ... That was a detailed answer, didn't expect that one. But to be honest , your answer just makes me more confused about what Zemun was trying to say :P lol
PS : Sorry for the late reply but I was really busy at work . Cheers though!
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I should really have done a better job of correlating my explanation to the actual topic, huh?
In Zemun's usage, it means more "Oh come on, you and I both know the answer to that.." or "well, if you have to ask.." or "is there really any difference?"
In that usage, it's more an acknowledgement of an awkward situation.
I'm not sure how pervasively the distinction is marked, but I've noticed (and used) the left-facing emoticon to express that sentiment [typically alone, without an attached sentence, as Zemun just used it], so it seems to actually express a different meaning than the right-facing one I described above.
Rather, its usage seems to be less 'looking away from something embarrassing' (as the right-facing one does look away from the sentence/sentiment being expressed) and more a matter of looking askew at the preceding topic.
Rather than continue attempting to awkwardly describe the nuances, I've attached some images below as real life representations of the expressions being mimicked. The first one is the right-facing one (described above) while the following three are representations of the left-facing one described in this post.
..and no, I didn't go out of my way to match the facing- all the images I found matched the emoticon usage, interestingly enough, which does seem to confirm there being an expected interpretation.
( Likely due to the social misconception that the direction you look in determines if you're lying/generating new data, or recalling/associating information. [That's a myth, by the way.] Thus, presumably, looking (to their left, our right) would associate with trying to avoid an awkward situation, while (looking to their right, our left) would associate with eying a situation critically. )
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Dudes I just finished making popcorn... why did this stop ? ç_ç
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here's an logical answer for your problem sir!
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I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
For shits and giggles.
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So you were talking about a potential problem about the game if I understand correctly. Then they in response bans you from the forums for using SAM to unlock achievements? If they think it is cheating for unlocking achievements with an external program why didn't they bann you in game (or VAC ban in case it uses that system), why did they ban you from the forums? Atleast they didn't have to answer you question this way...
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u asking 2 many questions - its bad
u asking smart questions - its even worth
even i not so bad near u
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Probably because those people can't ban from the game. They probably just run that community and nothing else.
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Thanks for admit using SAM, straight into the naughty list. =D !
You may also check the site astats, for a pleasant suprise :o
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Well i can agree that this person admitted to using SAM and got a ban from a forum which i understand why they did it.I do not think it rises to the level a a VAC like some have said.Though admitting to cheating in a Steam forum is not the best idea.
In fact even Half-Life 2 still allows you to earn them even if you use god mode.Regardless if it is an online or offline game achievements mean nothing because i have actually earned them for doing nothing because of bugs or had them not work at all so i could never take a broken system serious.I once got a achievements in payday 2 just for entering my safe house and it was for beating a new map on death wish.So they ban someone for using SAM but they can not even release them without bugs.I guess they would ban me because i used SAM to re-lock it so i could earn it the right way.I mean either way if i leave it or if o re-lock it i am a cheat in there eyes as i used SAM and if i did not i would be a cheat as i have one unlocked out of place.
In the end achievements mean little to me because even without SAM they could still be earned without actually earning them.Like in BL people can join your game do there own thing while you kill everything and still get the achievements as long as they where there when the task was done even if you did not kill a thing.I just do achievements for added bonus and actually i have been called a cheat because i earned some one time and i did not know i was offline so when steam came back on they all popped at once and people think i used SAM.
This system is to flawed to be taken serious and to many ways it can screw up that makes you look like you cheated so until that is greatly improved to me achievements are pointless as a bragging tool regardless if SAM existed or not.
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He didn't admit to cheating in the forum though. He just opened a thread and the moderator has so much free time he checked the OP's achievements.
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You are right i read they said they got banned for using SAM,though i did not read there forum post until after i replied.I jump the gun on it.I did not think i needed to read the post since they said it was for using SAM.
Also a much easier way to unlock the chevos if someone so desired they could have just used a trainer.I mean i see why they got the ban if they unlocked chevos to content they did not have it kinda hard to deny you did.I still do not think it should arise to a ban on a forum or a VAC but that is just how i feel.They violated the rules and got a punishment and they have to live with it right or wrong.
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They do that with pretty much everyone that makes a post there and have been doing so ever since the game was released.
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Not saying they don't, but they could be actually moderating the forums with that extra time.
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You deserve your ban. Cheating is against the rules, no matter how big or small it is. You agreed to the Terms of Use when you installed the game. If you violate it, then bear the consequences too. You can try to justify the use of SAM, but nobody cares, and even if you persuade some people here, they can do nothing about your ban.
Remove every achi, and ask a forum moderator to revoke your ban.
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u deserve the death penalty coz u walking on the lawn, its outlaw, no matter u r serial killer or that - u brake the law
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Your example makes no sense. You didn't only cheat in the achies, which unlock an item, but you cheated in all. After this you don't deserve proper support. Why should you? Developers want people, who play the game as it was planned. If you break the rules, then don't expect proper support. A lot of people worked hard to unlock those achies legitimately, then people like you come and cheat them in with a few clicks.
You can get a second chance by removing all your achies and asking a forum moderator for unban.
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My example makes more sense than ever. You didn't only brake the law in REAL world, which make damage to grass, but you brake the law in all. After this you don't deserve a thing. Why should you? Gardeners want people, who walk around and wath it as it was planned. If you break the rules, then don't expect a thing. A lot of people worked hard to plant grass and make those lawn, then people like you come and harm them in with a few steps.
You cant get a second chance
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Yes the ban was justified but just because you can does not always mean you should after all if i want to i could punch someone in the face just because i can but i do not,but really have we resorted so low as to ban people for cheating chevos,my god what has Steam become.Cheating in game makes sense but cheating chevos?I have seen people post on here offering cards and such to get people to play with them to get chevos,should that be cheating?After all they just want someone to stand there so they can shoot them in the head so really they did not earn it the proper way just the same as using SAM both methods where used to exploit something to get desired effect.
Developers banning for honest opinions,negative feedback,and so on and now for using SAM....really they have nothing better to do?What is next get caught cheating in real life get a VAC ban?I mean after all cheating is cheating
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Really? Do people forget that they have accepted a freaking ToS, when they have registered on Steam and installed a game? This isn't the worst thing still. "Your" games are not even yours, you just bought the license to use them, also Valve have every right to delete your Steam account whenever they want and they don't even have to give you a reason. Of course this won't happen, but it's in the ToS.
And no, the developers didn't sink this low. They want to have normal people in the community, not those, who unlock 250+ achievements in the same minute on the same day. He unlocked all achies, not just the ones, which are needed for items or safes, so why should he deserve any answer? BTW they give every banned player a second chance, if they reset their achies and ask for unban.
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oh, now i understand u:
i cant play ofline, coz all achievments unlock when u connect online and had to spent little more time to find only 2 achievments and open only them ?
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Sure, you have played offline until you were infamy 25, and unlocked 250+ achievements. Who do you think you can fool with that? Moreso you can't unlock achievements in PAYDAY 2, if it can't connect to Steam servers. Also the moderators didn't ban you purely for looking at your achies. Your achies had discrepancies with your PD 2 progress, which is stored on fbi.overkillsoftware.net. . According to the site you are Infamy 7-lvl 98, which is nowhere near Infamy 25.
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so u want to tell me achievments is useless, coz they dont give me inf 25?
man, u 5 min ago try to tell me that achievments is most important thing in the world
make the right choice
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Nope, I just wanted to tell you, that you can't defend your actions with saying that you have played PAYDAY 2 offline.
I never said that achievements are the most important thing in the world. I said that you can't have (or shouldn't have gotten legitimately) an Infamy 25 achievement, when you have only 7 Infamies.
However I do want to know why did you feel the urge to cheat in 250+ achies? The achievements are grindy, I know, but the whole game is based on grinding too.
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Yes i forgot about the TOS you know because i am a idiot who knows nothing.
Also you never owned your games even before Steam so yeah that is nothing new,it is the same as before the only difference now is they can enforce the TOS.Before you had the same license which granted you access to said content on whatever media it was printed on.It was not meant to re-sell but they could do little about it or even enforce the TOS if they wanted after all how could they keep track of a physical copy?
Also that is a toxic community which lets its player base be little others in comments,use vulgar language,post shit with people taking a dump or flipping you off and so forth but they draw the line at SAM?
These forums are over seen by the developers and even then half the time they never pay attention to them,they just name people admin and then they name mods and then they leave the rule violations up to them.The fact that they turn using SAM and cheating with chevos into a witch hunt i would say yeah that is sinking pretty low when someone post a topic about help the first thought that comes to mind is to first check there chevos and what not to see if they are cheating.
Also where do you draw the line then?Why not ban people for using mods in Fallout 4 which still allow you to get chevos which in turn means you cheat to get them the same as SAM so anyone who post about mods in Fallout 4 forum should be banned for cheating..How about we ban people who ask others for help in farming chevos,after all is that not a form of cheating?What is the difference if you use SAM to unlock a chevo or have a friend stand there so you shoot them in the head over and over to get one?
Bottom line is cheating is cheating and if we are going to do that we need to ban everyone even those who use mods since they can be used to cheat them the same as SAM.Fallout 4 has console codes that would allow you to finish quest and beat the game in one swoop.
I get why they did it and i also stated that they had the right to do so but still does not change that i think they need to worry about fixing the game and its many bugs and what not vs worrying about SAM users,Also a few of there chevos in the past have bugged and unlocked without doing anything,So yeah they are so hard on SAM users and they themselves can not even get chevos right.In the end it was a deserved ban but still to me i think they have more important things to worry about then chevos.
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The game has achievements an opening which gives the player items, which can then be sold (for example "you can run but can't hide" achievement). Someone spend hours in-game to unlock it, and ppl like you using SAM and open it in seconds.
Some people do not even have this game, but have unlocked all achievements (during free weekend).
Enjoy your ban
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Your steam account is banned from the hub or you are banned from even logging into Steam?
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i banned in payday forum in steam (i m rly dont care of it)
my problem is payday dont update i no one cant help
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Forum ban never happens due to use of SAM. This is the first time I have seen this happening. I guess best will be to reset the game and remove the ban. Its not a big deal so do it.
I guess she tried hours after hour to unlock achievements and you had them all in 1 minute. I cant blame her for that but it was not needed.
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Have you tried turning off the auto update and then updating manually?
Edit: You can also try verifying the game data and if that doesn't help you could try to uninstall the game and download it again.
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i try manualy, i thy to update in 2 different PC, My friends have same problem
i cant reinstall all game coz low internet
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Do you have enough space on your hard drive? I've read that PD2 has some problems when updating and not having enough hdd space.
You could also try deleting any mods you have installed, that helped some users.
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man, problem with 3 man in 4 different PC
i have more than 300Gb free space on disk
i dont use mods
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Should be obvious you don't own the game, independently of how much money you waste
You pay for a service and agree to be bound to their terms of use
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i pay for a service and cant get it, and its my problem, correct?
maybe u refund my money?
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Nobody can force you to play games you buy by given rules but in this case, you have to live and accept consequences.
Probably that is what he meant.
And just for proper understanding, you've been banned as result of custom community guidelines mods enforce, that includes achievements too. I can't see why the mod would help you first and then ban you. :D
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/364040797992260964
And there are lots and lots of games that have own guidelines and rules ingame, for the forum, for competitive game modes and so on and that on top of Steam's/Valve's.
I've been banned from the Far Cry 4 forum for making a joke about piracy, that's not really the same but as unnecessary.
Personally, i can't see why the right to use the forum should be taken away for cheating achievements, what they could do instead is reset all your achievement progress ingame, since cheating has nothing to do with it but there you have it, it's dumb.
Sh1te happens, life goes on.
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rules of 10 days long and my achievments unlock 4 month ago
law cant be used on past time
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Of course they can. Stop being obtuse.
"Cheating in-game in any way will result in a community and forum ban."
You cheated. You have been banned. It's quite simple.
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Of course it can.
And that's if it even is new. That the post is new does not mean that the rules are new.
Do you really think being a known cheater and losing the privileges of participating in the community are new things that they only figured out 2 1/2 years after release?
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It depends. If using SAM wasn't considered cheating until ten days ago then they can't really punish him for cheating when what he did wasn't considered cheating at the time he did it. If it was considered cheating at the time (as I'm guessing it was) then he is subject to whatever punishments the new rules apply to cheating. In the same way, someone who committed a murder at a time where the death penalty was the punishment for murder, but by the time they were caught and convicted the death penalty had been abolished, they would instead be sentenced to life in prison as those are the new punishments for their crime.
There's probably a limit on how much of a difference there can be between these punishments for them to remain just, For example, if you J-walk today, but tomorrow the punishment for J-Walking is changed to the death penalty it would seem unjust to have you executed since the punishment before was so much more lenient. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this anymore and I could probably keep rambling like this forever, but the point is if it wasn't considered cheating when he did it, then they have no right to punish him for it now. Given the nature of SAM, my guess is that it was considered cheating prior and at best all that changed, if anything, was either their tolerance for it or the punishment for using it,
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Nobody will be unbanned if progress and achievements aren't cleared, so it doesn't matter when someone cheated or when rules have been introduced, it will end with removing everything anyway.
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I understood his bogus argument.
Using SAM has always been cheating. Being a cheater doesn't always have consequences, but that doesn't make it not cheating--that just makes it unpunished.
PD2 considered implementing VAC for game bans. They didn't.
But community bans? They've been doing that since the very beginning, I'm sure. It's not analogous to jaywalking suddenly having its penalty become the death penalty. It's more analogous to [crime] being illegal but one's locale often choosing not to arrest, and almost always dropping the charges when one appears in court the first time after one's initial arraignment if one has no other charges. Then say between your arrest and arraignment for [crime] the locale decides to go back to mostly fining and requiring community service even for first-time offenders for [crime]. No changes to the statutes--they just changed policy. So the likely penalty has changed, and it seems unfair, but the looming consequence of your illegal action always existed.
Being a cheater has always run you the risk of an unpleasant consequence. And SAM has always been cheating in this game. If it wasn't pursued, if mods didn't often check the profiles of players previously but then were asked to do so before helping recently, things have sorta changed, but not really. Policy has changed, but the law--don't be a cheater--is the same.
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@doomofdoom I'm not disagreeing with this claim. I'm just saying if it wasn't considered cheating when he did it (which isn't actually the case, but its the only way his argument carries any weight) then his complaint is justified even if that doesn't change the fact that he is going to remain banned
@HerHeartBroken Sorry, I spend way too much time doing philosophy and that made me feel the need to explicitly state the underlying assumption that SAM has always been considered cheating. I didn't meant to imply that you misunderstood his argument or that your objections to it were wrong; I think you're right. The jay-walking case wasn't so much meant to be an analogy to OP's situation as much as it was just meant to show that determining whether to use the current law or the law as it was when the illegal act was committed is difficult and very situation specific. If they're just cracking down on it more, which is what it seems like, then none of these issues are going to come up at all since the punishment and rules are the same. It's just harder to get away with breaking the rules without also being punished for it.
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Then we're on the same page, Zardoz134.
P.S. I keep thinking about this image because of your username and I know it's intentional on your part!
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You can reset your progress, achievements and then appeal, that's the solution and bottom line. :)
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He'd rather argue with everyone as if his position is full of merit or his arguments persuasive.
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man u r increadably @smart@ how can i reset if cant run game?
i think people become @smarter@ and its even not the end of @smartness@
omg RLY ?
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Interesting. Because I never said you should reset. You replied to the wrong person.
My position is just that you cheated and that the penalty is a justifiable denial of community participation. That's all.
Also, the more I see of your participation in this thread the less I want you to have any positive resolution to this.
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Then use SAM and remove all achievements you've cheated, follow the regular troubleshooting procedure of all games on Steam.
But didn't you say earlier you wouldn't do that anyway? Keeping everything won't get you unbanned, so you have to remove everything and give proof, that's nothing someone else said, except the guidelines in the forum, blame them instead with snarkyness, no?
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let me see: i bue car, in my own garage put selfmade carpets and when go to dealer with engine problem they ban service for me all over the world
I have not missed?
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You can bring up whatever analogy you want but you won't change anything on the system in place with that. You have to deal with it or don't. This isn't the correct place for analogies, you should write them to those responsible for the system -> Payday 2 officials.
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What is your issue?
You are taking part of content you are not supposed to, you should pay for those DLC's to unlock the masks/weapon mods whatever it is you are trying to achive.
You get those stuff by unlocking the achivements which you get when you buy the...... DLC's!!!
You are not supposed to have them without pay up for the DLC's, you didn't.. You choosed to cheat your way to them instead :)
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go to google read about SAM, play on PD2 and stop writing bullhit here
and if u after that cant understand ACHIEVMENTS DONT OPEN ANYTHING IN GAME (open only ingame progress)
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Erhm, I know what I need to know about SAM.. It's pure shit, pure shit.. That's all I need to know.
I played PD2, I unlocked achivements legit and I got rewards for it.. Suprised much?
And it's a forum, i'll share my opinion were I like & when I like.. =]
Once again, deal with it.
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Why do we continue with this discussion
Dlc achievments unlock masks, weapons and mods
It doesnt matter what you think because its not for you to decide, you agreed to be bound to their own rules and failed to do so.
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ok, why i cant use masks and weapons from DLCs i dont bye ?
kinda problem, solve it and only after that start typing here bullsit
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Is this what youre asking me?
"Why cant i use weapons from DLCs i bought"
Because the Devs are ridiculous. Though personally, i just dont play the game when i dont care for the dev/pub practices, instead of cheating, which it is.
i ask you this, how fair is it that you can do it the easy way and others have to actually work for their unlocks.
And why cant you understand the devs determine what is cheating and what isnt, not you.
You fought, you lost, now you rest
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INCORRECT :) OP kid troll who calls "kid " most of the people on forum and trashtalk, let me explain why.
The guy who you replied to is very correct, according to VALVE and Steam's Subscriber Agreement & Terms of Service, we don't own the account nor the games licenses ,we just rent it and you have hacked/modified your Steam account :) good luck ,you 'll need it wink i'll make sure to contact Payday2 devs to suggest promotion from Forums ban to GAMEBAN and also maybe VALVE will decide nice stuff about you using SAM.
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u came here with a kinda controversial topic here, and u turned it into a masacre.dont hate everyone because of their opinion.
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im 100% against SAM, but if you were going to use it, use it wisely and unlock one achievement every 20-30 minutes so they dont look hacked with the same time.
using your head when cheating would be wise. space out the achievements so you dont make it obvious
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u against, but i have to use it
this topic become more and more interesting
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"have to"
Keep on dreaming kiddo. If hundreds, thousands of people could do it in a fair, working way then you can do it as well, not just cheat it. Grow a spine.
Kep bieng so angry dat u mystipe everyding
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and who is forcing you to use it? items from DLCs are supposed to unlock when you get the achieve trough playing the game so that is not whats forcing you to use SAM, it looks that only your impatience is forcing you to use it.
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Or looking at his ratio here..
Being a cheapass to not buy the DLC's, winning games idle for cards then 100% them with SAM is cool though
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look at him, reachy shit who can spent easyly money, and humiliate people who cant do the same
f_ck off m_r_n
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Hahahh I can just keep on laughing at you all night.. I will bump this thread daily just to let everyone see what kinda person you are.
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i cant stop crying of your stupidity, i ll bump thread daily just to let everyone see what kinda person you are
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The best for you right now would be to close the thread I think : )
Yes please, please tell the forum about my stupidity they need to be aware!!!!!! :o
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u can open window and throw some money with crying @love me, coz i give u money@
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Hmm, im really trying to figure out what you are trying to say here...
Aha, I think I get it.. I give away games for attention & to be loved right, not because sharing is caring and I enjoy making others happy when my pocket allows me to?
That's an insult towards everyone who giveaway games at the site then pretty much?
And I didn't think you could make yourself look worse, well you just managed too :D !
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im starting nervous, is it rly so many idiots in the world or they live on some exact place? where u from ?
i cant type same thing over and over again, so i ll use coppypaste
ACHIEVMENTS DONT OPEN ANYTHING IN GAME (open only ingame progress)
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We are from many parts of the world here, it's internet.
It's just you that need to rethink if it's the people here that's "idiots", or if it could have something with you to do.
And those achivements like, it doesn't unlock masks for you?
You have no clue what you even unlocked when you pressed that button on SAM :]
"Knockout!
Knock out a Bulldozer using the OVERKILL boxing gloves. Unlocks "The Champ" mask."
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c/p u in 2nd time if u cant understand by first time ACHIEVMENTS DONT OPEN ANYTHING IN GAME
no no no, i just want where u from, exactly u!!! dont hide behind internet
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Cheating achievements? Really you get this low? Dont be lazy and actually try to earn them by working. the feeling is much better.
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He can't. He's shite at the game, of course. Every person I've known who has used SAM on PD2 has been the most hilariously shite player.
They're sometimes 11-years-old or so, though I suspect Gagarinace only acts like he's 11.
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lol. I also play crap in PD2 but I would never cheat my achievements. xD
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I doubt you reach the depths of co-op FPS ineptitude impotent gamer rage that I've seen in SAM users.
Basic competence goes a long way in PD2 and your stats indicate that even if you believe you have nothing else.
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This quite simple answer from steam mod: "Any modification to a game which allows for one player to have an advantage over another player may be considered a cheat." (https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/)
In TS case on PD 2, Unlock achievements will get in-game item/mods with stats (and you can only get some item/mods if you do unlock achievement first) and it clearly "Advantage over another player". But TS never admit it & always make his "Smart Analogy".
ROFL :))
Note to TS: Just move on~
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I feel sorry for you. Just stay away from that crappy game.
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yeap, i m just watching Eurovision, its finished, i go to bed, good night everyone
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So, paying for dlc, only to not have what you paid for, show up in game unless you unlock some steam achievement?
That just comes off as bad judgement on the dev/pub side.... and worse if they are banning people (in any way) for it, just shows me the dev/pub is in the wrong.
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Well, yeah...thats another reason why i dont play their games instead of cheating. Maybe because i think about the community and how unfair towards the players who put effort into unlocking achievments this is
By doing what he did, he is not hurting the devs, only the community.
But thats all fair, he is free to do whatever he wants, just aslong has he understands there are consequences for breaking rules he had agreed to follow when he bought the game.
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Dafuq, you can get banned for using achievement opener. Cool beans, didn't know. Although I didn't know there was an achievement opener either :D
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I don't care... Payday 2 was pretty much slow motion for me. Opening all those locks for over 30 min isnt fun at all.
Anyway... Payday 1 was too hard, Payday 2 is too boring. Well Maybe Payday 3 will get better.
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with the amount of DLC being released, PD3 is not going to be in sight.
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meh, just stop playing this dang simulator.
last time i play, i got unstopable lag on a very poor graphic game, that time i stopped playing
dont know if they fix the graphic and the lag issues, or even may be worst.
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Ever since they downgraded the game engine graphics to cater "potato rigs" the game has become so unstable.....and this happen back in Mid 2015 after Drills and Safe was introduced.
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haha nice Game of Thrones refference,it is known :D
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Considering they broken an age old promise back on 2015...
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I really liked first PD. Even got team and we made all achievos for this one.
I was thinking about buying PD 2 but with every shit they made against their own game I was delaying that... And resigned when they introduced microtransactions. I mean seriously? What's next: payed subscription? DLC no 613: jelly bean (turns tactical vests of your enemies into jelly bean so they die faster), DLC no 1337: wizzard robes (ads magic damage to each bullet).
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the funny thing is that the 1st PD was under Sony watch then PD2 went independent and it went downhill with the DLC.
Also PD2 went on sale like hundreds of time last year like they were begging for more players ever since the broken promise and controversy and hate they spark with the community. A LOT of Old loyal community players left and change their review to negative. And that follows a LOT more old players quit leaving PD2 to a bunch of kids and trolls and hackers.
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i just create some topic this shitty game http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/8/364041517013332789/ and got banned for using SAM
rly? its easyer ban people than help them ? coolstory
p.s. seems moderator delete original steam topic,so, here is the problem:
i try to update PD2 in 2 PCs, 2 of my friends cant udate it too
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