Science?
One thing that has always made me confused is looking back to the Big Bang. (no I don't mean watching reruns of TBBT on tivo)
If we are___*................................................O <----here
And over here^ the Big Bang.
How can we look back at it without seeing our own solar system racing through time and space? Did we travel faster than light to get here before the Big Bang light? Did we take a shortcut?
I'm assuming that large matter does not travel faster than light, so the flash from the Big Bang is now 100x farther beyond (just an arbitrary number) us than we are from it's origins. So when we say we can look back towards the Big Bang, or not long after it, isn't that just impossible? Isn't what we see very very long after the Big Bang?
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Now we are getting into the fun stuff.
You are correct. Matter does not move faster than light. What did move faster than light is space-time itsself (1).
The problem is, you can not think about the universe as expanding from one given point, so there is no nearer or farther away from the Big Bang.
If you talk about observing something far away, you only see (as of today's tech) objects that formed more than 380,000 years after the Big Bang.
Why? - Until then, the universe was of such a high density, that photons could not travel freely and interacted with matter within nearly no time. Only after space-time expanded far enough, photons could fly their way. We can still see those photons today (-> CMB). As there is no prefered direction in space, we see the CMB in each and every direction.
The very far away objects (10x10^9 lightyears) we observe, have been displace that far away from us during the cosmic inflation.
I hope that helps. The concept of inflation in an expanding universe that is homogeneous and isotrop on large scales are not on the light side of science.
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osom thread, juicy infos. and a few hardtounderstandforme-math-related things
so, dumb (shameless) questions:
...can not think about the universe as expanding from one given point
so, we don't know where Big Bang started? or we do know but we don't have enough "information" to understand that start point?
...universe was of such a high density
is that what happens with an "explosion"? is this because we're assuming Big Bang was an explosion? ...and, again, if Big Bang was actually an explosion, why we don't know where it started if we do know exactly where, say, a firework explodes?
also, we see old photons (CMB) in each and every direction. this is pretty hard to understand, i just can't figure, imagine that. guess it's a personal (one of the billions) understanding limits of mine :D
i only see now that final part, in your comment. just googled (also) "light side of science": do you mean is not already part of "official" science?
thanks. a. lot, Oppen. really appreciating, here!
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so, we don't know where Big Bang started? or we do know but we don't have enough "information" to understand that start point?
As the universe is infinite (as far as we know), there is no way to pinpoint "the middle". Cosmological models work (up to a certain point), but not everything makes sense. Point (Big Bang) -> finite expansion speed -> infinite size today - you see how this is stretching anyones imagination.
and, again, if Big Bang was actually an explosion, why we don't know where it started
We do not know and I am not sure "where" makes sense. We are talking about such high energy densities that one need at least to use quantum theories to describe it and there is good reason to assume that established theories (QED,...) are not valid at such high energy densities.
"light side of science" like in easy to understand science.
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The only infinite I can wrap my head around is a closed loop. But the universe would be a different kind of infinite I guess, because in a closed loop you have repetition making it infinite.
My confusion is (or was): I'm late and I missed my bus, I am standing at a bus stop with my binoculars, and I look in the direction the bus came from, I won't see a bus, because I was late and the bus has already gone by, it's behind me. What I can see are the diesel fumes from it still hanging in the air.
Your inflation theory link is exactly what I was wondering about...so really I could have hypothesised it had I been born earlier....lol.
So what we see is not a Big Bang, it's the leftovers of a Big Bang, leftovers that do not resemble the Big Bang, they just hint at what it might have looked like. And in reality, the here and now, it's already all different again, we are just seeing an old image, because during the initial inflation the expansion was faster than light, creating an infinite space and making the distance between us and our origins huge.
Now I also kind of grasp the uniformity. I was thinking of the Big Bang as an umbrella opening, where everything points towards a central nexus. But the Big Bang did not create a centrifugal force, rather all matter moved at the same pace and distance, like a uniform pattern with every shape exactly the same size, like a beehive.
...I guess...
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Uhh. I hope, I understood you correctly so my answer makes sense.
We see the leftovers of the BB everyday, everywhere, as all matter (an energy) is a BB "leftover" ;)
distance between us and our origins huge.
Nope. There is (according to the accepted theories I know) no origin in the sense of a central point, so we can't be far away from it. We are only far away from objects (galaxies and the like) that are so far away, that we see the light emitted by them "shortly" (like some million years) after the BB.
The cosmic microwave background (CMB, see above post) is a leftover only in the sense that these were the first photons that did not interact with matter again instantly.
where everything points towards a central nexus
Again, no central point. (I know this is rather confusing and tbh I just accepted it at some point as theories derived from that assumption seem to work.)
uniformity
The universe looks the same, in every direction, no matter where you are!
That statement is obviously false for small scales. In front of you is a monitor screen, behind you is (probably) free space of a room. Being outside, up is the sky, down is the Earth. Even on scales of 100,000 light years the statement is false (galaxy - no galaxy). But if you smooth your resolution and look at large scale structures, the percentage of small and big structures (like galaxy clusters) are evenly distributed.
Why? After the BB everything was the same, but as soon as there was matter, there were (quantum) fluctuations and so "impurities" formed. Where there was a higher matter/energy density then, there are galaxies now.
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I'm late and I missed my bus, I am standing at a bus stop with my binoculars, and I look in the direction the bus came from, I won't see a bus, because I was late and the bus has already gone by, it's behind me. What I can see are the diesel fumes from it still hanging in the air.
sg/bestof
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Thank you for the science and giveaways, Oppenh4imer! :D
I like history too. ^^
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Hey SG,
I will try to post imho interesting more or less recent science stuff here, accompanied by some GAs one for now during the next weeks.
Why? - Because I enjoy science and you enjoy GAs :D
Read the comments, there are some nice additional information. I try to link them at the appropiate places.
Science stuff #6 Noether's theorem
Emmy Noether was one of the great mathematicians of the 20th century and one of the first women who left their mark in that field.
In theoretical physics the theorem given her name states that a symmetry is connected to a conservation law (conservation of energy/momentum/...).
"So what?" you might ask. That certain physical properties are conserved was known before but Noether was the first to base this on a mathematical base. I am not talking about "potential energy at a high starting point = kinetic energy at the ground level" to compute the velocity of something falling down, but about mathematics that proof you can use that formula.
There is a nice article explaining it with some videos for different levels of scientific background (kindergarten - PhD). If you have no clue what I am talking about, watch the kindergarten one!
The great thing about Noether's theorem is that it spawned a new way of physical thinking. Since the 1920s more and more physicists thought "what would happen if I mirror/rotate/... just one property of my physical system?". That lead to the discoveries of many (sub-)atomic particles, antimatter for example.
But there violations of seemingly fine symmetries, the most well known is the CP violation. In short, matter and antimatter do not act in an exactly mirrored way.
Noether's theorem lead to physicists thinking in symmetries. Violations of those symmetries lead to open problems and potentially to new physics.
Science stuff #5
You all know the number, which was called my favorite number, although it is not.
pi
Probably you all know, that pi relates a circles diameter (d) to its circumfence (u): u = pi * d. I really like the animation on wikipedia.
Today we know pi has an infinite amount of decimal places without periodicity aka an irrational number. But what about the past?
around 2000 BCE
4*(8/9)^2 and 3+1/8. Both approximations are only correct at the first decimal place. Recent scientific paper on the matter.
around 550 BCE
Bible: 3
ca. 250 BCE, Archimedes
223/71 < pi < 22/7; as far as I know the first time someone knew he was wrong and gave an upper and lower limit. Although correct to 2 decimal places (aka 3.14)
263 CE
Liu Hui invented an algorithm and calculated pi to 4 decimal places: 3927/1250 = 3.1416.
480 CE
Zu Chongzhi, 355/113 = 3.141592...
ca. 1400 CE
Now it is getting interesting. Most ways to determine pi so far have been to use a polygon with many corners. Madhava of Sangamagrama (or someone else later on) discovered the infinite power series expansion of pi. If you are not familiar with mathematical series, it might get a little bit difficult here.
1897
pi = 3.2 source Thanks Nimmy for the reminder
1910
Srinivasa Ramanujan found a series that gets close to pi really fast, so that this series is still used today.
Edit: Seems that is not the most recent information anymore: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/BEIGIiD
1949
John Wrench and L. R. Smith were the first to use an electronic computer to compute pi to more than 2000 digits.
1958
Francois Genuys cracks 10,000 digits.
1961
Daniel Shanks and John Wrench, 100,000 digits.
1973
Jean Guilloud and Martin Bouyer, 1,000,000 digits.
...
1989
Gregory V. Chudnovsky & David V. Chudnovsky 10^9 digits.
2002
Yasumasa Kanada et al. 10^12 digits.
2011
Shigeru Kondo 10^13 digits.
There is a paper that discusses the possibility of pi being time-dependent.The paper was published 2 days early, due to technical difficulties.
Another paper explores the connection of pi's digits to the Cosmic Microwave Background.
Kind of science stuff #4
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
Not really science itsself, but HPMOR takes a shot at many scientific fields and methods. In my opinion it is a great way to explain some science stuff to people who usually do not read science. You should have a basic understanding of Harry Potter (Like read a book or saw one movie) to enjoy the pages and pages of text.
Science stuff Three:
So I wanted to write about binary logic and the begining of computer science, but -alas!- I was led astray by wikipedia.
Calculus
Calculus is at the heart of (more or less) every quantitative model in science.
Why?
(Nearly) Every model has to adjust for changes in conditions, e.g. CS GO Keys changing their price shortly before Steam sales. If any quantity changes, you have to think about the time frame you take into account. You can do hourly changes, that might work rather well for CS GO keys, but yields strange results for other processes (e.g. bacteria populations or the velocity of a rollercoaster). You have to change your time frame to a value suitable for the system you are trying to describe. Now let's assume you time frames get smaller and smaller, but you still get results in your calculation that do not match you experiment (e.g. Your model says, that the price of Steam keys should drop to 0.20$ but it is stuck at 2$). At some point your time frame gets infinitesimal. Now classical math fails as you are dividing by zero for classical purposes. That's the point you need calculus.
Same is true if you want to if you want to get areas bordered by mathematical functions. A nice example in my opinion is planetary motion. If you compare the area between the Sun and the planet, the area will be the same for a given time frame, regardless if the planet is near the sun on its elliptical path or far away. This is known as Kepler's 2nd law of planetary motion and says in the end, that planets move faster if the are near the sun and slower if they are far away.
Who invented Calculus?
In other words, who should you be thankful for or who should you curse, depending on your personal relation with calculus
That is a rather difficult question that spawned its own research and is known to some as Prioritätsstreit.
Contenders for the crown are Leibniz and Newton. At least the notation we use today is Leibniz' fault.
Reading about Leibbiz lead me to other maths stuff and I will continue reading after posting this.
Science stuff Two: Fourier analysis
If you add two sine (or cosine) waves of different wavelength, you get a new function that is no "nice" wave anymore but something periodic of different shape. If you add a lot of sine waves, you may get (more or less) every possible wave structure.
Why is this science?
In many fields of science, you want to know if there is an underlying periodic structure. You can try to decompose your data using the Fourier transformation to identify these periodic structures.
Going back to this discussion, you can use Fourier analysis to identify the size of astronomical structures on large (cosmic) scales and compare the frequency of occurrence of those with the same quantity from computer models based on different theories.
In signal processing one often uses time–frequency transforms. If you record any data it is time dependent with no frequency information. If you want to analyse the frequencies, you have to Fourier transform it. Probably the best know example is mp3.
You record a music track - time dependent. You want to make the file smaller, you will have to omit part of the data. To do so, you will have to identify information that a human can't detect (i.e. hear). So you need to Fourier transform the music track. That's quite slow, so mp3 was only possible using an implementation of fast Fourier transform (FFT). See also here
Assuming most of you have used (glasses) or played with (physics class,...) optical lenses at some point in their lifes: You can think of lense optics as Fourier transform -> Fourier optics.
Science stuff One: The MeerKAT radio telescope in South Africa.
Why radio telescopes?
Why an interferometer?
Why look at distant space objects?
Why should you care for fundamental research?
I hope you enjoy a little off topic.
If you are on my naughty list and think you are there by mistake, feel free to contact me.
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