Are you gonna take (more) booster shots?
“Tell me you’re anti-vax without telling me you’re anti-vax.”
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In July 2021 my dad got SputnikV (2 steps) vaccine right before to go for a vacation with my mother. They were infected with COVID both at the same day. They could get a poor medical help only (cause sanatorium's administration were afraid of lock down for quarantine and didn't want to accept the fact of COVID). Dad had higher temperature but managed to recover almost 1 week faster than mother. Maybe it was additional help of vaccine or maybe hes just more healthier.
I personally never wanted to get vaxxed and I almost never visit crowded places (working outside and in client's houses and using my own car only to get anywhere). Last month dad got ill again and infected every family member when we came to visit him. We live in different places but had the same course of desease not depending even on age - high temperature for 3 days, a little high for 3-4 more days and its gone without any complications.
So I believe today's COVID is not that scary as 2020-21's (yet again maybe?) and these boosters are not necessary
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Glad it went without complications.
But isn't going to people's houses where you don't know where they been, and been with, just more riskier then coworkers you know on a daily base?
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People find me by other's recommendations mostly so its not just random visits. And I was asking them about their possible COVID contacts (and some were asking me the same) to make sure. Ofc there was some risk but I did dodge it untill September 2022
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OMG!! Crazy junkies!
Almost none of crazy junkies understand that doctors and scientists saying. This is because they do not know the language of medicine.
Latin is a medical language. All terms related to this field are studied in this language. This language is widely taught in medical schools.
Junkies must learn one word. This word:
Latin: Virus <=> English: Poison.
"Vaccines contain pieces of the virus" means "Vaccines contains pieces of the poison".
A piece of poison is also a poison.
"Get your jab" means "Get your poison".
Poisoning may cause illness, injury or even death.
If someone got vaccinated and got sick or died, that's normal.
This means that the vaccine is working as EXPECTED.
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Personally, I didn't see anyone around me suffer from the vaccine (like, no one had noticable effects).
But I really don't like the idea of long time treatment, and, as I work from home and live a sedentary life, I don't feel the need of doing more.
I got three shots, it's more than enough in my opinion. Like I think it's normal vaccines have a second shot(or even a third shot) just to be sure, but more than that feels like a scam to me. I was pro vaccine from the start and wanted to take my shots to protect the elderly (I was of course listening to the media at the time).
For the weird side effects people experience, It might be the vaccines... Or something else entirely ! (but more probably the latter)
People die, and death happens fast. Health can degrade fast too, especially for older people but not only them: it's not that uncommon that a young person just happen to contract a life changing disease.
I personally think it's more a situation like this: "The person is worried about the vaccine, then they have for example belly cramps due to stress and blame it on the vaccine."
It's completely normal to worry and nobody should be blamed for that.
I know one person that had more shots than necessary (more than 20, really a lot). He's a doctor that worked at doctor without borders. He didn't wanted to waste the shots that were left at the end of the day so he injected them on himself. He have no particular problems.
And I know many caretakers in the same case: they took more shots than necessary (not as many) and suffer no effects at all.
That's the reason why I don't think the vaccine is particularily dangerous.
I believe the vaccine is mostly inneffective, and therefore going trough the bother of getting shots is pointless.
But that's all from my end.
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Sorry but that sounds really weird "not to waste shots" to inject yourself with 20+ vaccins?? Does he think he wont need another booster for 5-10 years now, i mean it doesn't work like that and he as a doctor should know that even more.
And one person is not the other with over 7 billion in this world. ;) Some get cancer, some get other issues, and other stay healthy no matter if they drink/smoke and whatever.
I read stories on how in 1 hospital many doctors suddenly died, they blame it on covid, but as with fake news who knows what's true these days anymore.
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He was injected with 20+ vaccines in total but didn't inject himself 20 leftovers nn'
Caretakers I know had already between 6/7 shots to continue working. He got a lot of them for sure but he didn't care:
Simply, he didn't wanted to throw the doses to trash (because when they are unfreezed for use, they can't be restocked).
As he had been in the doctor without borders ngo, he had a different vision on vaccines and how they can be precious since he worked in Africa where they are absolutely needed.
As he believed, having multiple vaccines have no beneficial effect (except being a booster shot), but he was also convinced they were harmless to him.
He wasn't the only one in the vaccinations centers to get some extra shots, a few others did the same.
They had a few extras shots in their daily stock to be sure even people with no appointments could get one, but at the end of th day if there was a lot of people that didn't come they had to throw away a lot of shots.
Some were going outside on the street to convince people to come, so they wouldn't waste those shots, cause they were not sure they would have them the next morning because of shortages.
So some injected them on themselves or on colleagues, just because it bothered them to throw the shots in the trash.
They also had the same specific vaccine (pfizer if I'm not mistaken).
Doctors in retirement homes also did the same, this is not only limited to vaccinations centers even. They just had extras everywhere there were vaccinations campaign, and they did their best to use those shots.
Anyway, I also hear about weird stories myself here, even if it's not exactly immediately near me. I don't diminishe those weird death information, because, in the end there are dead bodies so, it's not like they died randomly, there must be a common cause.
But it could be covid vaccines the same way it could be a nasty food poisoning, a faulty drug manipulation, a faulty medical material (radiographic equipment for example), a stress induced heart attack, or maybe even old age.
You can never know about it unless there is an investigation..
I don't diminishe at all the fact that it could be a combined effect of one of the vaccines, because there were indeed dubious vaccines (and no medicine is 100% safe anyway). But I think maybe rushing on conclusions might not be the best way around either.
Like you said everyone have their own health specificities, it's combined with your genetics and your way of life. And there is many dangerous things to consider in a hospital.
In any case I hope you will find answers to your questions and be at peace with all this mess.
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Yeah, in the end, life, one's body, it's complicated.
Thank you.
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Had to forcefully take the jabs/shots because of the nature of my work. I normally don't like to inject stuff that I don't know what are the long-term side effects of it. I had covid in March, 2020, as the whole pandemic started to the rest of the world, including UK. Since then, I've been out of contact with the virus until this very day.
Now, I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I do believe that technology is rapidly advancing making the cure a lot more easier. We've been begging for a cure if I remember right until the first vaccines became a thing, then everybody started speculating what the heck will they do to us. I've waited until it became mandatory to keep my own job as a health care assistant & medical technician.
I took both shots, but not the boosters. I've not updated since 2021. I can't remember the date of the 2 vaccines. I felt nothing, except a sore hand. I don't think I'll take a new dose until I feel it's necessary. I'm allowing mother nature decide and help me build anti-corpse to defend myself against the virus. That being said, if I feel it's going to be mandatory to keep my job or until I feel I'm not safe without it, I'll most likely not take it.
Whoever wants to take it, I don't go against it. Everybody has a right to choose how they want to protect themselves. My way of protection is staying out of contact with mass number of people, enclosed and in close proximity, which I've done before the pandemic anyway, so if I keep it like this I should be fine. I am by no means super-human and anybody can tell me that I'll probably get the virus once more. That will maybe or maybe not happen. It really depends how eager I am to be careless about it as I was the first time when I went in a heavily touristic area where all over the world people would come and be in contact with you.
PS: I am really sorry for your loss. 😔
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Yeah that's a big risk for many people (like in healthcare or schools) that don't want (another) booster, and then risk getting fired (like there already isn't a shortage) i understand with the vaccins as most of us did was to also protect (the elderly) people around you, that it was necessary. But the boosters should be given a choice to people themselves, and not forced.
Thank you, appreciate it.
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I've had one colleague who was stubborn to get the vaccine and got fired after he was offered a period of grace. I can't blame him, although he was very superstitious and argued a lot about the vaccine being a way to control.
I personally wanted things to take a much more natural course. It's not that I don't believe that medication and technology isn't useful, but I'd rather take a more natural approach to it. If I have a headache, it's probably caused by particular things. I try to rest, get to eat something and avoid anything that I think I might have caused it. I am living overall a rather healthy life and I barely get ill unless I don't look after myself. I also am a firm believer that we only weaken our immune system if we babysit it every time with medication.
Now, of course, there's medication that potentially can save your life or improve the condition of it by a lot. Something that can't be treated without taking it, even from a change in routine or food and is potentially harmful for you or others if not taken, just things like this aren't necessarily the case with Covid. It can be avoided nowadays and I'd like to keep things like that the best I can.
Of course, this is my personal opinion of things and I'd never stop or force anybody to look at things the way I do it. So, please, if you're reading this. Make your own informed judgement and protect yourself at as best as you can. Never take the judgement or opinion of others without questioning it.
But the boosters should be given a choice to people themselves, and not forced.
I no longer work in the healthcare as it was as you've said tough with shortages and the fact that you're having a rather stressful and tiring job. My friends and colleagues told me they were indirectly forced to continue to take the booster to protect themselves and the elders they look after. In an industry like that you've got little options to refuse if you wish to keep your job. I understand it and how important it is to give an example.
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PS I might get novavax if I get a booster; at least initial reports said they had lower issues of heart trouble, but I haven't checked in a year or so because I've felt 0 need to get a booster.
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I can't decide. I've taken i think three doses + had Covid. Maybe enough?
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I try to only believe things with strong facts based evidence. Also if someone claims a study was done, I look into who performed the study and how many participants in study. A large study with tens of thousands performed by scientists paid for by government grants is way more valid than a study of a few hundred paid for by a corporation. If a group a people get together and all agree, you could be in something call group think.
If everyone agrees someone is a witch and burns them by the stake, does not make the person a witch.
Start with a hypothesis and then test it and then test it more, then test it on large populations with strict scientific standards.
To get to correlation or causation you must do rigorous studies.
Jumping to conclusions base on hunches and personal experience gets people killed.
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Except the clinical trial data hasn't been released. There was an agreement between I think it was Pfizer and the USFDA to keep the trial data locked for 70+ years. Such a thing is unheard of. If it's safe, share the data. I think you'd agree hiding the data, regardless of the reason, feeds into paranoia. Can't really blame the public for its skepticism. It's not like governments have never been corrupted and pharma companies haven't been fined billions of dollars in the past for unsavory practices.
By the way, please look up MSD and Vioxx. MSD actually manipulated clinical trial data.
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So what the document thing was is that the fda who has to go through all the documents to take out any names of people and trade secret stuff claimed that they could only do a set amount of pages per month which made it so that by the time they were all out it would be 70+ years BUT then the court ruled they just had to do it faster so they put a lot more people onto doing that and it is being released at a much higher rate, so no there was no agreement to keep it locked up for 70 years and yes a lot of it is currently available. EDIT: and I am pretty sure this was for a group that filed a freedom of information act thingy for all the data on the vaccine not just the trial data which is also public as far as I am aware.
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You are absolutely right, I am wrong ... except that it's all currently available. If the latter were the case, then there wouldn't be a need for a lawsuit to have the information released. My intended overall point that it’s not unreasonable for people to be skeptical remains.
But genuine thanks for the general correction. For anyone interested:
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i think you totally missed the point of what I wrote.
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Sorry if that’s the case. You were speaking to trusting robust data, but there has been none. By the way, for clinical trials of scale, those are paid for by the relevant pharma companies, then run in partnership with hospitals / physicians. Scientists conduct studies, but I believe only pre-clinical, up to animal testing.
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There is always testing. Phama paid testing is usually not the best source. But if there is no robust data, then don't jump to incorrect conclusions. Wait for the data, don't let right-wing media manipulate you to believe incorrect things.
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In general, I agree that we can pause and wait for the information. How many times have we seen the media get up in arms about something, only to have evidene come forward 2-3 days later that contradicts the whole narrative? Rhetorical question, of course.
The problem here is that the data and information is being actively restricted by governments and by the media, and the narrative continues to be that we should all get vaccinated despite evidence that shows that certain populations are not at risk.
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The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory. Nobody is trying to "force" it on you. That said, if you don't want to take it for the sole reason that you are an uneducated anti-vaxxer, then you need a reality check.
For all the people complaining about and making up unrelated health stories in their attempt to put 2 and 2 together. The rest of us would have liked it if you just didn't take the vaccine or the booster shots so we wouldn't have to hear about it every time someone thinks they have an opinion on the subject.
For the people in the back who think the vaccine was rushed. The vaccine that was re-released has had years of development from earlier strains. Different strains of COVID have been around for many decades (somewhere in the 1960s) as well as swine flu, bird flu and SARS. I didn't hear anybody complaining about it back then when they went to the hospital and had to take the vaccine.
From the words of the wise. The hardest thing ever is to educate someone who doesn't know they're wrong.
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Not looking to argue, but want to correct you a little bit. "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory."
Many kids/college students couldn't go to school unless vaccinated, many people lost their job if they chose to not take the mandatory vaccine. Look it up, don't shoot the messenger, there is nothing to argue here, just informing you that you are wrong.
Trump literally named the vaccine program warpspeed. Here you can argue if it was rushed or not, mRNA is not a new technology so i agree with you here. The delivery system through nano lipids however has never passed safety trials and was only approved under emergency use. The vaccines are in theory still in trial until next year and many people put their faith and health in the hands of corporations that have payed the largest criminal fines in history due to falsifying studies/corruption.
You just cannot rush good science, long term side effects are sometimes discovered after more than ten years and nearly a third of FDA approved drugs have been recalled, due to it not being found safe after all. Vioxx is only one example which is interesting to look up if you are not familiar. Science is not a religion and should not be blindly believed. Always be skeptical towards big pharma believers and anti vaxxers.
I like the quote you end on and think a good quote to add "it's easier to fool a person than to convince him he's been fooled."
Stay safe my dude.
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+up, "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." where in most places in the world those unvaccinated faced discrimination because they aren't allowed to go to school, go to establishments and the likes. adding to the fact that covid vaccines have the highest vaccine-related deaths compared to other vaccines which have been studied for YEARS..
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If you have a chance on losing your job when you got a kid, mortgage etc and someone telling you either take the vaccin/booster or i am going to fire you, is kinda "forced" to a whole bunch of people,
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On the extreme end, some people don't believe in the word forced. "You are not forced to pay taxes, you have the right to choose to pay taxes, or you can choose to go to jail. The choice is yours, nobody is forcing you."
Others play a game of semantics. "You can choose not to get vaccinated, or suffer the consequences, that being fired or unable to buy groceries, you can choose to starve. You have a choice, you are not forced"
Either way, people can argue if anyone was forced but you cannot argue that nobody was coerced, to say the least, but him saying they were not mandatory is flat out wrong.
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Most jobs require you to sign a legal contract in order to be employed. Most contracts have a section for public safety and other health related rules when you sign them. You can work somewhere for years and be threatened with losing your job for any number of things that are legally binding in the contract you sign. So far everyone who has complained have either been unaware or completely ignored the fact that they are held to a contract of employment.
Choosing to become employed somewhere that requires you to sign a contract is a choice. Not reading the contract and then complaining about losing your job for anything stated in the contract is also a choice.
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Correct, but it would be easier if you take the L. I'd have more respect if a person can admit they were wrong instead of arguing over semantics or prove that in a section of the world there was a legally binding contract that allows for injecting a medical treatment that is still in it's trial phase, and by having that contract somewhere in the world, there suddenly are no mandates whatsoever. So, again, you claim there were no mandates, you are wrong. The world is a big place indeed and even today there are mandates in place. This is not up for debate, that is not my opinion, it's simply a fact.
But yeah, although you are wrong that there are/were no mandates, you use one specific aspect, namely employment to prove you are correct. If in a contract there was a legal binding to inject yourself with a concoction that is still under trial, or it was written in legalese to have it fall under an umbrella of possibilities that are impossible to argue with, then sure, I agree that you can't say that in this specific case you were forced to make a choice, that doesn't mean you are wrong about there not being mandates.
So, even though you were wrong saying there were no mandates, you are not always correct with the specific example you gave either, namely employment, ignoring education, travel, grocery shopping and what not. There have been employers that fired their employees for not getting injected, who then sued and won unlawful termination, in the medical field of all things. We can argue all day long and in the end agree to disagree respectfully, but you are still wrong.
But lets just keep it simple. You said there were no mandates, you were wrong. I keep saying you are wrong because perhaps it will get through to you if I keep saying it. After all, the hardest thing ever is to educate someone who doesn't know they're wrong. Well, I read somewhere that a wise man once said that and it seems to be true. Take care and stay safe.
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Repeating yourself a bunch of times still doesn't get the point across. I never once mentioned the word "mandates". I'm stating facts. Go read a work contract word for word and figure out what it says. If you think that people are being wrongfully dismissed from their jobs, that's your opinion. I have yet to see a single one of those people take up a wrongful firing claim in court and come out on top.
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You are grasping at straws but drowning helplessly, it's really weird to see. This must be like trying to debate with a flat earther or someone who thinks vaccines can be activated through 5G. Stop being dishonest about not saying things you actually are saying. Namely, and I quote the letters that you have typed yourself by a simple copy/pasta. "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." You can look at your first sentence in this comment tree where you said this and are now denying it. Try to play a game of semantics all you like but you are still wrong.
I repeat myself, ad nauseam, since you have problems getting the point that you are wrong about saying "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." You are wrong, that's a fact. Let me repeat that again because "The hardest thing ever is to educate someone who doesn't know they're wrong", well, I am educating you, and it's seemingly hard to make you understand, but you are wrong.
You are wondering how wrong you are, well, let me tell you, you are very wrong. Here just 1 example, that has nothing to do with work contracts which you hopelessly try to hide behind. https://www.wsj.com/articles/nycs-vaccination-proof-mandate-for-restaurants-and-dining-what-to-know-11631540546 There is actually a world outside of work contracts so why you even try to win an argument that is not up for debate is really strange, flat earth levels of strange. There were mandates for travel where you had to get a mandatory vaccine, which you deny by saying "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." There was one for kids and students going to schools and colleges which you deny by saying "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." where again you were wrong.
You can reply with whatever you like, it doesn't change the fact that there is only one star in our solar system, and it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong about saying "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory."
TLDR; You said "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory." You are wrong.
Ps. I'm taking the piss with repeating myself and quoting you,... but you are still really wrong tho. Take care.
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Says the guy who needs to write a new chapter to his book every time he replies. Taking a statement out of context in order to strawman an argument is all you're achieving here. I don't need to justify the reasons and ways vaccines have become mandatory when it comes to the health and safety of the public. If none of the reasons for needing to get vaccinated apply to you, then the vaccine would not be mandatory. Simple.
That article is from over a year ago and I would assume most restrictions would have been lifted by now. You still had a choice if you wanted to get vaccinated and go out to a restaurant or not. They did the same thing in my area. All of those restrictions were dropped in January of 2022.
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Not the point and wow, talk about strawman argument. I think even Enngage would be embarrassed with such an asinine reply.
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Why do you talk about me whining about a strawman argument when you obviously have no clue what the word means? I'm pretty much keeping it on topic and not even playing semantics like some do. And yeah, I type more characters than a tweet, in many posts and I enjoy it, you don't need to read it if you don't want. It seems you are projecting a little bit. My "shit" is securely lodged, don't worry about that :) Take care my dude.
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Enough please, both of you, else i'll close it.
You don't have to agree, but atleast respect the others opinion or ignore the other?
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There is no need. I think you are projecting and maybe dislike yourself. But I like you man! Also, I wouldn't propagate bs if it wasnt true. I'm always willing to learn so feel free to point out some of that Jones BS that I am propagating. Take care my dude.
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It's a troll, trolls gonna troll mate.
I wanted to blacklist him, but he apparently was already there for a reason.
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Oh, well, I guess that is the state of the world where satire, trolls and actual people that have gone off the deep end have become indistinguishable from reality. I mean, I didn't know he was a troll because I have seen people like him before and I swear they seemed like real people, but with a crazy divisive worldview to a degree that just cannot be healthy, but yeah, I guess I got baited here. Onward and upward, I'll try to ignore the trolls from here on out. I'm gonna have to assume that there are a shit ton of trolls I guess.
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Yeah you can go also do something with yourself but saying that will get bit suspended.
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Thank you for at least acknowledging that a year ago there was a mandatory vaccination. Now you can see for yourself that you were wrong, (yet still don't agree that you were wrong when you said "The vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory.").
Outside of check mating yourself, yet doing mental gymnastics to stay delusional, you can see how wrong you were with these current countries still having mandatory vaccinations https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-against-covid-19/
Here a link showing researchers finding that 105 out of the 193 countries (54%) studied had evidence of a national mandatory vaccination. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/mandatory-vaccinations-required-only-half-all-countries-325543
Stay delusional and wrong.
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You don't need to agree with something if it's true. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have not taken the vaccine or the booster shots and they are living just fine. So I reiterate again that NO, the vaccine and the booster shots have never been mandatory.
I don't give a shit about what other countries are doing because it doesn't affect me. But then again you prove your own argument to be a straw man because in the US and Canada we live under a Democracy. You're the one who is ignorant and wrong.
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I was born in Europe and have lived for close to two decades in Indonesia where, guess what, vaccines are mandatory. You claim they were never mandatory, guess what, you are still wrong. I don't care that you keep lying to me, but have some self respect and be honest with yourself at least.
There is a world outside your little USA bubble which you obviously are oblivious to, so next time, maybe refrain from trying to talk about things you know nothing about. If mandates don't happen to you it's simply not happening? It would be like claiming rape is not real if it doesn't affect you. Quite the guy you are. Stay ignorant he says in a desperate attempt of projection, you literally will because you say yourself you don't give a shit.
Honestly, it was fun, but intellectually, there is nothing left to gain from this discourse. I'm afraid I'm getting even dumber talking to you and i think everyone can agree that I'm not the smartest to begin with. Let's just agree that i was wrong indeed, I'm sorry for my ignorance but i do wish you the best.
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I'm not in the USA. I assumed you were because of the US news article you linked. If it's something that affects you, then the people in your countries need to elect leadership that makes better decisions. Then again it's impossible to find a politician that would know better because none of them are public health experts. The list of rules and guidelines in my area a year ago were contradictory at best. Now there are no rules and we seem to have over twice the number of cases then we did when we had rules.
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Fair assumption, to avoid misunderstandings I should probably try and write much more paragraphs. For real tho, completely agree, public officials are often quite incompetent to say it kindly.
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You are a troll. I can freely ignore you. I wanted to give you a headsup as I'm still polite, but I am not even reading your troll word salad.
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He isn't trolling. He's stating facts. Facts that most of the people on this thread ignore. Kind of like you claim you're doing now.
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He is, because when he can't solve it with "facts", he is going to insult, trying to get someone else to do the same.That stab at me was also unnecessary.
It's what people with a low intelligence do.
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If it's the fact that he admitted that he actually is a troll, well, i don't care about that fact haha. Take care my dude. Fyi, you were still wrong saying there were no mandates, but that's cool, as I said, you are lying to yourself and that's worse than lying to me, I'm a big guy, well not overweight, so I can take it. I'm done with this thread as there is too many delusional people and/or trolls, it was fun but I'm out. Lugum, in case you are reading this, best of luck and see you around, I'm really hanging up the phone now.
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Gonna be real with yo chief, the vaccine doesnt stop its spread nor does it stop you from getting it. At most it reduces symptoms/ The vaccine wasnt tested enough and honestly if you are healthy and have no history of other life effecting illnesses, no reason to really take the vaccine. Did i notice some health issues after my spots, yeah but more aftert the booster yes sir. The vaccine at best is good for people with weak immune systems and not for those who are healthy. [pfizer's own chief didnt take his own product and the company is struggling to keep afloat]
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No thanks, I don't want to feel awful for a week. The last time I had COVID I felt better than after the booster shot.
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I do not get vaccinated because any normal medication need several years to be accepted in Human use, and long them risk for using Covid vaccines are not yet know.
I personally get already pass 3 variants of Covid, first time knock me out for a 4 days second time 3 days third time 2 days, I not needed hospital visit.
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Probably only if needed to. Shortly after the last booster shot I took (which is almost 2 months ago), my tinnitus got worse with deformed hearing on one side and I got plagued with nausea and dizziness for almost 2 weeks straight. Doctors couldn't tell what was wrong. Except for the nausea and dizziness I'm not sure if everything is back to normal, tinnitus is still a bit worse than before and I'm not sure if my hearing is still deformed.
Of course I'm not sure if this was caused by the booster, since I can't find anything about it on the web. Especially not from credible sources. But the timing was very strange, since this all happened 2 days after getting the shot.
But if I don't need to, I think I just pass on the next booster shot and just be more careful when going outside (and the numbers are going up).
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Ended up in the hospital with chest pains & numbness in my finger tips a few hours after my last booster. I'm done playing lab rat for the government. It's been months & I still don't feel right. Not getting another & taking the chance of dropping dead from a heart attack.
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That now makes you a conspiracy theorist/anti vaxxer according to some fine gentlemen/gentleladies/gentlepeople in this thread. But don't let that set the mood, I'm sorry you had to go through that and the subsequent bullying of what is usually "the tolerant" left, who are acting more and more like a religious cult with every passing day where the science is settled and cannot be questioned (for that is blasphemy). Obviously, that is not how actual science works.
If a person is a "true believer" and wants to get boosted, fine, if they don't, fine. Respect peoples choices.
Again, sorry and hope you get better.
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I honestly don't give a S**t what they think. Their opinions mean nothing to me. I've had 4 shots (Vaxxed & boosted) & have felt like crap after every one of them. I just don't feel safe getting a 5th.
Thank you for being open minded & understanding. Wish more people were like you.
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Exactly and that's unfortunately a lot harder these days in the whole world, not much respect for the choices of the other side.
If you want to take your vaccins? Good, if you don't want to take your vaccins? Good. One doesn't have to rule out the other.
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There is a huge difference between someone personally experiencing issues directly related to the vaccines, resulting in a personal choice how to proceed with further boosters, and a whole lot of wild assumptions by severely uneducated people who still feel they are in the position to "inform" others and influence their decision-making process.
I respect the first one but certainly not the rest.
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But it's starting at a political ground point where these days you often are just left (and woke and pro vaxxin) or right (facist/racist/nazi and anti vaxxin). Most people are in a middle, but often forgotten.
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You would hate my country then. For the past 2 years, I've had to listen to every ridiculous conspiracy theory that you can think of. And it's always from illiterate folks who barely got through high school thinking that they're on the same level as medical professionals who spent half of their lives on education.
A few months ago, someone tried to convince me that after taking a vaccine you can pick up Bluetooth signals from nearby phones. Why would that be useful to anyone is beyond me
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Oh, I see, you think your vaccine gives better 5g reception. That explains why you are a smoothbrain. Jk, I understand that you are sarcastic, but it also show that you are probably an extremist. Most critical and sane thinkers I know off on the side of science who are skeptical of the corrupt pharmaceuticals and their vaccines don't believe in the 5g conspiracies. Don't use that as a strawman argument to paint a subsection of sane people. I understand you have a problem with understanding what strawman means so just take it as a friendly head sup, look it up and educate yoursel. Take care my smoothbrain friend. A little joke there in the end :)
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Thank you, I flex where I can, my wife only sparingly compliments me so I'm quite desperate. Could you care to tell me what conspiracy I am falling for? Problem here is, you can't. This will be interesting to see, tell me, which conspiracy did I fall for?
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Lol, some tin foil hats are calling you a troll, while I sit here and wish I could whitelist you twice.
Really, this thread helped me to rearrange my WL and BL a bit.
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And people like you are what's wrong in this world, "tin foil hats", where every person is either left and woke or right and a facist/racist/nazi isn't it? There is a large space between you know, just as politicial many are in a middle.
Just because some people are questioning or thinking seriously about their boosters, doesn't automatically make them an anti vax conspiracy nut, and he is just dumb trolling because he can't find anything more intelligent left to say.
In the end noone gives a damn about your list.
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Oh Lugum, I used to like you. But it seems like you're siding with people spreading fake news and misinformation.
Also, you blacklisted me fast for someone who "doesn't give a damn about another people's lists". Oh well.
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That's up to you, in the end you are just a stranger on the internet, i don't have you to like me. There are actually 250ish people more here that also don't like me, yet 1200+ that do so shrug. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's also your opinion that i "side" with people, i multiple times clearly stated and in the OP to always keep yourself open, but most of all inform yourself, don't just take anyone's word for it, no matter what side, and sigh again for many there isn't a "side" you people should knock that off, again there is a large undecided middle or that might not be pro booster but not anti vaccin (and actually did get their 2 vaccins, but just not taking their booster, like me).
It's easy to say as a pro or anti vaxxer oh i am right, my sources are right and all the rest is just fake news, and it's very dangerous actually that you seriously don't know what to trust anymore these days, especially your own main stream media, so all those saying well fact this, fact that, it's a fact you aren't always 100% sure.
That monday comes after sunday, that the sun is yellow, that we breath air, that 2+2=4 those are stone cold facts.
I told both of them to knock it off, until Borsdy took a cheap shot at me, and this isn't the first time, then i'll stick up for the other party, yes.
No i said posting and boasting about it here, noone would care about, and frankly doing it over being pro or anti vax or left or right winged is even a bit childish in my opinion.
But since you are mentioning it, didn't you start with having taking me off your whitelist? Then yeah i do return favors, i am not immune to that. I give what i receive back..Be nice and you get nice, and if not, well.
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Come to my country, read the dutch tweets everyday, and you will find that it is, also here atleast woke usually means left winged pro vax while the facists/racists/nazi's are the right winged anti vaxxers.
I can understand woke wanting certain things different, but they are taking things to extremes just as real facists/racists/nazi's do, both a very extreme side. Woke isn't used as being "awakened" as it would mean as in "enlightened".
Like on both sides in the vaccin discussion as the political discussion you are easily pushed in a box by those 2 extreme groups and that's slowly what is turning this world into crap seriously.
With our governments giving a financial kick in the rear too, which leads to even more frustration among people.
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Your assumptions are as baseless as your facts, and again you are boxxing in people with your wrong misconceptions.
There is just as plenty overlap with left winged people being pro vaxxed (As i noticed? Heck i even said it first sigh).
Wanna talk facts? I saw a program about democracy just yesterday hosted by a Dr. (must hold some weight right?) it was saying how more then ever over 35% of the people aren't even voting anymore (so that means no left, no right. no "the center".
But also that only 3 out of 10 people in the US and EU still have a trust in their government.
What an extreme of when woke goes too far? When people that still have a problem with the slavery past, that they want to erase everything from history, like a statue or even movies with our own version of Santa Claus that has black helpers (from the chimney), it was never to any kid or anyone about racism, yet the past 10 years some adults decided it was about racism, when even black people that have absolutely no problems themselves with celebrating it, it's the white person that creates an issue around it.
We can demolish statues, erase slavery from our history books, but something about "Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It."? How can one learn if we erase it?
Look at the world around you, countries like Hungary, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, how "left" (without automatically being a far right person) isn't exactly winning, is it, ask yourself why?
It's people are getting fed up by their governments and small minorities trying to dictate things for the rest of a country and being put labels on.
Cut the bullshit out as i am also starting to be done with you about the whole psychic thing, the 4th time you are dragging this on, i told someone else (not you) about a wonderful, personal experience i had about my deceased dad, i have a very close friend i believe has such abilities, i got plenty of other experience, that you don't believe in it? Fine, i don't care.
But you constantly use it as a non existing dagger to take a stab at nothing, it's s sickening to use such a personal wonderful experience against me, over and over.
I also asked you the question if you would do the same to anyone that believed in a god? You didn't answer..If someone wants to talk about respecting your views and opinions, then start with yourself..
Bye.
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You talk about trapping people when you are exactly the one that started it all with Massulan?
It's a simple, fair and intelligent reasoning behind it, psychics/mediums and God, both things people put faith in, but not very tangible.
But no you don't want to answer to the question because you simply don't want the backlash from all those people that do put a faith in God because they are with way more then those small insignificant group that believe in mediums, those you can ridicule.
And in the same reasoning you should and you know well you do also don't have any respect for them either.
Are you even reading people's whole answers to you? It's a tv show with a Dr as a host that said only 3 people out of 10 still trust their government (or just open your eyes and see the world)..How is that my fault?
No woke people are as on the extreme side as far right people, they want to change things in a non good way (And again because you have to repeat one self with people like you, as you like to box people (it's clearly coming out of your own mouth "oh you must be in far right circles"), it doesn't automatically make you (far) right, you can want change too but just not the woke way.
No, because that my dear woke boy that will simply do you the favor, and that's exactly what your kind wants, to hush everyone opposed, and thus i won't. What i can however do is stop talking to you.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/U2bkIC9 Oh what are you exactly continueing? Godwin's law. I fell for it didn't i?
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same here, after getting vaccinated i havent been feeling "well" recently. starting to have occasional palpitations and sense of uneasiness. my vaccine was astrazeneca which, lo and behold, was placed on halt due to its coagulation properties. the problem indeed with the covid 19 vaccine is that it was developed very fast, around only 1 year from the pandemic so phase IV trials (used to identify long term consequences of a drug) are still currently being observed..so one way or another, we are all part of an "experimental" drug that still has inconclusive benefits..plus how they all deemed it to be mandatory is a violation of human rights..in addition to how the unvaccinated were discriminated in their daily living and how now the CDC stated that the vaccine protection only lasts for a few months and we need constant boosters, just like normal flu.
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I got Covid back in June. I tested positive for 2 weeks and had to isolate. Very weird symptoms though. I was glad I was vaccinated because I'm sure it would have been much worse.
Then the exact symptoms came back twice more for 2 weeks at a time in July and August. The July one I thought I just caught it again since my whole family got it. I didn't test positive those times, so I'm told by a friend in the medical field that it's possible I had long covid and wasn't contagious on the 2nd and 3rd time. They also suggested that I am probably immuno-compromised due to treatments earlier in the year.
Don't want to get that again. It fkn sucked. If another booster is offered this winter, I'm taking it too.
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Vaccines can give side effects, that's not a conspiracy theory. Some people won't experience them, while some people experience them severely. Everyone in my family including myself is fully vaxxed and boosted, and about half of us got sick for a day or 2 from it. Me and my dad got it a bit worse and got the shivers and were unwell for a few days after the booster. So I do believe that boosters could cause someone to die, but I still think they're worth taking because covid is far more lethal.
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My dad died of shortness of breath shortly after the vaccine first started rolling out but he never had the vaccine or covid. Likely it was due to needing a hip operation, a lifestyle change due to lockdown and him over working himself so he could retire a few months early. His active lifesyle became more sitting in a chair for a long periods of time. A blood clot formed in is leg, he didn't notice the pain at first because of his hip, the blood clot moved up to his lungs. He tried to see a doctor but the hospitals were at full capacity at the time (same reason he hadn't had his hip operation). He collapsed and was dead before the paramedic could arrive. Not sure if a hip operation would have prevented the clot or if doctors would have caught the blood clot in time; but it seems likely had covid not happend my dad would be alive.
If it happend months later and he was vaccinated; it might seem like there was correlation between his death and the vaccine. Not trying to convince you that your wrong, I only have a basic understanding of vaccines. But that's my anecdote.
"Are you going to take more booster shots?"
Was supposed to get my booster three weeks ago but got covid instead. Literally the day before I was going to get it XD
Was bed ridden for the first two weeks, past week struggling to breath and fatigued but slowly improving. Maybe if I wasn't on the tail end of the vaccine it wouldn't have hit so hard.
I have asthma and general breathing difficulties. While it mostly managable these days without medication; even the normal flu has almost killed me before and this one is a respitory virus. So getting the vaccines isn't a choice for me.
Had bad joint ache astrazeneca
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Sorry to hear about your father, and my dad had his issues like his heart and also not an active healthstyle (who could with corona) as a pensioner, so i am never gonna say vaccins were to totally blame, it's a question i know i will never get an answer to,
And he could have been on that other side like your dad, with his cancer treatments and not receive them (but luckily he could) or getting delayed because the hospitals were also full (and why i am myself waiting almost 2 years on a liver doctor).
I feel that's kinda of a forgotten group barely anyone talks about, the people that died or got damage due illnesses that could not be treated and still do indirectly due covid.
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Vaccinations save. But please don't judge. Draw your own conclusions.
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https://news.yahoo.com/died-suddenly-film-amplifies-false-154403218.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/11/22/new-died-suddenly-film-pushes-unfounded-depopulation-claims-about-covid-19-vaccine/
https://www.themarysue.com/what-is-the-died-suddenly-documentary-and-why-isnt-it-on-netflix/
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/11/fact-check-movie-died-suddenly-does-not-demonstrate-that-covid-vaccines-cause-sudden-death.html
People can judge when someone tries to spread theories that put public health at risk.
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It's about health, some make it poltical, i can't help that, this thread already was forgotten, until the necro.
I believe there should be openness to political discussion, if it stays fair, unfortunately it never does, and you can see that (again) in the other current thread about some guy from some company.
I think this thread is done.
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This is my personal opinion, I am one of those people who doesn't believe in covid, vaccines, and I don't do any vaccines. To me it's a conspiracy to want to dominate the world economy, a lot of vaccines don't make sense to me
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Stop thinking about Covid, you have subconsciously hypnotized yourself to get the disease. Try to think of something that makes your heart happy and your mind free, you will be free from all diseases. Because for me the disease comes from your subconscious mind
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I really believe that is a bit of a far stretch, some people have it in their genetics to have chances on certain diseases (like cancer, alzheimer). To say a happy heart and free mind will for sure keep that away.
Like all positive people never get sick, really?
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Yes, I really believe that illness comes from what we think, I mean if you always think positively, your heart is happy, I'm very sure we will always be healthy, without realizing it, if you try to say "I'm sick" for 7 days you will getting yourself sick, it's because you hypnotized yourself to get sick and your brain is working to do what you say. Believe that the power of hypnosis exists
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The power of suggestion has been proven many times to work. So much so, that they literally test to see if drugs are more or less effective than the placebo effect.
I dont think it's possible to stay happy in heart and mind at all times, so it isnt really possible to prove the theory wrong. We can prove that you can make yourself sick by focusing on it. Similar to how men have phantom pregnancies when their wife is going through it. The power of suggestion on some minds is much greater than on others.
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"some people have it in their genetics to have chances on certain diseases (like cancer, alzheimer)" It doesn't work like that, cancer don't show up from nowhere, processed food and tap water which contains glyphosate is the cause of most diseases, also alzheimer is caused by aluminum which can also be found in some food people eat.
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I got cardiomyopathy, thanks to the my dads family side, it's a planted seed that no doctor can tell me how that will progress in the future, nor any positive vibes and healthy heart (bit double) can do much to change that.
People that got a higher risk of cancer because their family tree also got those seeds, doesn't mean they all get cancer, and yes what they eat, if they got a healthy lifestyle will all factor in, but some simply just do have a higher factor.
And cancer will always remain a crapshoot, someone that never smoked can get lung cancer, and someone that smokes till he/she is 100 that will never get cancer, in the end it's totally random.
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My father has heart disease, and my mother has cervical cancer or uterine cancer, will I get all of that...? The answer is of course not, with the record that my life is healthy, the meaning of being healthy is how I think, how I live my life happily, which can bring positive flow to my brain. Previously I was afraid that what happened to my father and mother would happen to myself but in the last few years I have opened my mind to make it even more positive so that what I fear will never happen to me
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Some people would rather believe that they can choose their fate about when and how they will die, by doing this or not doing that but really no one gets to choose and for many it will come when they don't expect it.
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Yeah it happens when it's meant to happen. And well better it coming unexpected (like peacefully in your sleep) then something you know and perhaps with a slow procress disease.
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First of all i like to think myself as not a conspiracy thinker, i thought many of the "anti vax" stories were just fake, or overblown, like how athletes even died of heart issues even before corona.
Last year i lost my dad because he died of a shortness of breath (he had heart problems) but it always bugged my mind, if it had anything to do with the boosters, because there are also stories going around it can produce heart problems, even with youngsters, and it came so sudden.
And the boosters could have side effects and you could just been an unlucky person to just have had one of those.
Now today, our housekeeper came and she told me she had 8 clients that suddenly got a stroke/TIA, including my own mother, which i now personally believe can't just be a coincidence anymore.
And by all means, feel free to think it's just a coincidence, that's it's not correlated, to each their own (respect eachothers opinions), feel free to share your experiences if you want from your surroundings or find you got a good quality piece to read either pro or anti.
I wanted to share this, and not to advocate not taking boosters, everyone should make that decision for themselves, lets keep the thread a bit clean.
I hope atleast make some people have a good thought and inform themselves very well, when thinking about a potential booster, personally i had 2 vaccins (and now with a bit of regret even) but i am done with them.
And yes i know of american tv commercials saying this and that medicine can give seizures, strokes, or even death, and people still take them too (seemingly) but atleast you been warned then, unlike with the vaccin (and a large group did it on their trust on the pharmaceutical companies/ government and giving protection against others/close ones).
What always struck me as odd is how noone complains about getting vaccinated as a kid against measles, chicken pox etc, yet somehow there been so much adversery against the covid vaccin from the beginning.
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