Hi SG,

I want to remind everyone that using scripts to automatically join giveaways is against the rules. To help clarify, I updated the site guidelines today:

Scripts should not be used to automatically enter into giveaways. This includes scripts that enter multiple giveaways at once, or scripts that enter giveaways while you are away.

I would like to try reducing the usage of these scripts through two approaches...

  1. The last few weeks I've been logging and reviewing data. On average, a user with scripts enters 4x as many giveaways as a user without scripts. I believe this happens because users currently receive a high number of points, and scripts are able to use those points more efficiently. To fix this issue I want to lower point distribution to a more reasonable amount. This will allow users casually visiting the site a couple of times a day to use all of their points, and therefore reduce the need and advantage of using such scripts.

  2. Secondly, starting October, I am going to start assigning suspensions to users that are using these scripts. I feel they do not benefit the community in any way, and I want to try to ensure SteamGifts stays a fun and social place for everyone to visit. Of course, that only happens when real people are interacting with the site.

If you have any thoughts on the topic, please leave a comment.

7 years ago

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thanks!

6 years ago
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Can we get a graph which states:

  • how much users we have here on SG in one color
  • how much users has been banned on SG
    So we can actually see that something has been going on. & not only talk.
    Just a little more visibility of the implementation of the rules.

Thanks, ;)

6 years ago
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+1. An estimate would be nice.

6 years ago
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Hello, I am new to SteamGifts, and already see the problem with autojoiners in my public GA's (and even my invite-only GA's in the Discussion Forums).

One way to get people to stop using autojoiners out there is to incorporate a controllable autojoiner into SteamGifts, which the SteamGifts admins can control. For instance, SteamGifts can make their autojoiner only allow people to join a wishlisted games' GA's X times per day, where X is some reasonable number everyone figures out. Having an autojoin tool "readily available" as part of SteamGifts dissuades most people from doing more work and trying to find a 3rd-party autojoiner.

A controllable SteamGifts autojoin tool given to only a subset of users, might also help admins discover a pattern to look for in users where it's unknown whether they are using an autojoin tool. Just tweak the SteamGifts autojoiner to behave more like a particular 3rd-party autojoiner, and see what that does to their entry distributions. Use an SVM to learn the patterns, then go and classify other users based on that.

People commonly turn to 3rd-party software to solve a perceived problem. Perhaps people think it's unfair that kids who don't have to work 8-12 hours a day are getting to enter short-term GA's for games they really want to win during the day, while working people are denied that same opportunity. Having an autojoiner to join those short GA's while the person is at work might seem "only fair" to the person who is working -- after all, both points are valid: the working person might reason, "I work so hard just to make ends meet, a free game to play every now and then would really brighten my day! Whereas those kids have parents who are giving them money for games, and they have zero living expenses! The only way to compete with them is to use an autojoiner that joins the GA's as if I were a kid without needing to work 8 hours a day."

A solution that is fair to both kids and working people would be ideal. If people see that there is already a tool readily available to help them do what they want, they usually just use it. An autojoin tool that SteamGifts admins can control directly to make the system "fair" (and tweak as needed) might be a good solution, to both reduce the number of people using uncontrolled autojoiners & (when rolled out to only a subset of SteamGifts users at first) get valuable data to see which other users have behavior patterns that are a good match for specific autojoiners.

6 years ago
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so, basically what you say is - 'if people are breaking the law it means that to make them stop is to provide them with a ways to do the very same thing but inside the law'. So let's assume - you own a shop, and there are some shopliftters, you have problem catching them, because it's a small shop, you cannot afford professional security, so solution would be 'allow anyone, not just current shoplifters, but all customers whatsoever, to steal as long as they dont steal more than 50$'. You see how idiotic it is? Right now we have a very small number of autojoiners - a few % of community at most. We try to get rid of them. Yet your solution to get rif of these few % is to allow 100% to autojoin? for the sake of getting rid of few hundred people breaking rules allow thousands of people to break the rules? It's beyond moronic, sorry.

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