I do agree with you that sometimes people either don't know the rules or mistakes happen and they shouldn't be punished for things that happend a while ago, especially if its just a one time thing.
It is sometimes a bit difficult to judge though who is a serial re-gifter / alt account and who made a legitimate mistake.
in your case, however, it is pretty clear that with 200+ sent gifts there was no need for that knit-pickiness
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I agree. Luckily I got unbanned really quickly. I was contemplating leaving SG for a while, but decided against it. I really love gifting . It gives me a sense of purpose.
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Yes gifting is fun and well.. hopefully helpful. I think one of the main problems facing this site now is that its a bit like capitalism, which I'm hoping to help mitigate a little bit.
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It never will. That is sadly the cornerstone of the human condition. Even if some try to refute it here it will stay a sad truth.
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:-) Oh, yeah. It left me picturing grannies with their knitting needles picking nits from each other.
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well, first of all, sorry to hear that the suspension affected you so much while you were on a bad spot.
you must understand that this site relies on users to report rule-breakers, so don't blame people for checking everyone all the time and file tickets when they spot something wrong.
those users and support are the reason sg is still working, or else this would be chaos.
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I'm not a lvl 1 user. I have gifted quite a lot, but I was prepared for justifications for what happened. There will always be "casualties in war". The person could have contacted me and pointed out that the game wasn't activated, instead opting to just slam the hammer down. You can blacklist me for this comment if you want.
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if i spot a lv10 with unactivated or multiple wins, it's not my job to contact him and ask why he didn't activate his wins.
i'm not sg-police, i'm just helping support and they are the ones that deal with problems here.
and why should i blacklist you for that comment? :|
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Some people will blacklist if they are "offended" by a comment. I was just being preemptive.
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Good preemptive move, this shows you have been some time here on SG as what you just said is more than a few times here a reality.
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I'm going to have to agree with Mullins. It was unfortunate timing with your personal life, but we are expected to report any issues to support. I do not think even a level 10 should be protected from it.
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Would have been generous of the person to try and point out the problem first. I have helped two members get in the clear for not activating a game on another account. The world isn't black and white. So SG members shouldn't attempt to act superior.
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no one is acting superior here, it's how the report system works and how support recommends users to deal with them.
http://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines
Use the appropriate avenues for support. If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum.
i can warn a friend or someone i "know" on the forums, but i certainly won't be messaging everyone i find breaking the rules.
the only superior people is those that think they are over the rules because they have a higher level than others. that's called elitism. :3
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But doesn't only caring about those "you know on the forums and friends" make you an elitist in a way? Segregating the community in those who are active on the forum (down to what number of posts is seen as active) and those who are not seems to be prevalent though. I actually feel like a peasant on this site due to my real CV won being higher than what I sent.
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well if you take that as the definition of elitism, i suppose there's not a single person on the world that isn't elitist...
anyway, you keep antagonizing users that report others like they are the bad guys here, and it seems some people also agree with it. sad to see how they react to rules being enforced on steamgifts, maybe they would rather have free regifting and multiple wins all over the place.
and i'll say it again. i don't contact people i report for 3 reasons:
- i don't have time to deal with it, report and let support deal with it
- i don't want to get into trouble with others
- i'm not here to play steamgifts police officer
and again #2, sorry that you feel so bad about this. i know little things in life can affect people a lot, but remember why you were suspended and that it was a fair suspension (you didn't get permabanned for a random reason, there was an explanation for it).
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Still happened and no amount of justification will change it. After this thread I will put the issue to rest and consign it to the past. I will most likely close the thread soon.
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Speaking of black and white, you certainly seem to have negative opinion of those who report issues. That's something that support expects us to do and we should continue to do so. If you are willing to put extra effort in and contact people about issues you find, that can be a positive thing. But it's not something everyone should be expected to do, or it does come off as acting superior.
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I don't have an issue with reporting issues. I just don't like the fact of how callous it can be. I would try to contact the person if I could. Remember that it is a person and not just some random pic.
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Then keep showing a positive example on how to handle these kind of situations and perhaps others will follow.
However, this thread gave a very negative impression about how you view people who report issues. If you really don't have an issue with them, it certainly wasn't apparent.
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It is more about the negative side of what that power has. The callous detachment most who try to justify what happened has. Most seem to be unable to see that there can be some level of civility and courtesy. Do you immediately report everyone who does make small mistakes in the real world. Do you ever try to help the person or show them their mistake?
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Even if you or I would be willing to contact first, I still don't think that's the standard everyone should adhere to. SteamGifts is a great place and if the support asks us to do something to keep things orderly, then that's what is expected of us. Going out of your way to do something more gives a positive impression certainly, but if people (yes, even those who report issues are people) aren't willing to contact a stranger for whatever reason they may have, then I would not judge them.
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I'm sorry that you have found out the hard way that on SG there are those that have and do use different weights and scales.
And I personally would watch out for those that deny the sunlight...
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There was once a level 10 user who traded their wins and it took a while before they were caught so gifting is not really a sign of anything. Offenses are fortunately fixable for the most part so there's no real reason for someone not to have a clean profile.
It's not really the user base's job to cater to everyone who has an unactivated game and bother with the whole process.There are others before you who have been reported and to ask for special treatment is vanity isn't it? No offense but that's how it comes across as. Most of the reporters just report what they see and let Support take over to figure out what's happening.
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Remember that behind every avatar there is a real person. I can use rules all day to justify any action. It doesn't change the fact that who ever reported this was overzealous.
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Sorry, but what about the person that reported you then? (Though, honestly, I find it hard to believe somebody really went manually through all your games for some reason, I'm more keen to think there is some other kind of explanation, maybe some very old ticket or a bug in the API or something.) You practically told them "I considered suicide because of you". Do they deserve to be hurt this way? You know nothing of this person, what or why they did, yet you attack them is such a cruel way. Just because they submitted a report ticket instead of contacting you? Because they let support deal with support's job instead of taking the thing in their hands? Or because they didn't overlook it despite the number of giveaways you made previously?
I apologize for the rant, due to a personal reason those kind of things really upset me.
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That person knew nothing about me. They probably went through dozens of accounts to find faults in others. Can you stop and think that there is a person behind this avatar I use. Behind every person that you blacklist. I thought this site and forum was about being helpful and caring, not just to look out for those few you know on the forums. I would have contacted the person directly if I knew who it was and had this sorted out without going through all this. So rules are important, but sticking to them like they are holy scripture leads to what happens here.
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The giveaway actually ended 5 months. I understand how this can happen. My problem is that it happened. Trying to justify the means it happened won't change it. This discussion will be the last time I will ever think or mention it.
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The community overall isn't so bad. Some recent posts even before this happened have actually been very troubling. I have read the rules and I don't think I'll easily post on the forum again.
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But you're doing the same thing. You know nothing of the person that reported you and yet you're are immediately passing judgement.
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That seems like a very black and white attitude about it. Yet you say that the world is not black and white. I mean how do you know the motivation behind it? How can you affirm that it was overzealousness and not some other more gray motivation maybe take your own advise in consideration and remember that behind every avatar there is a real person.
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The thing is my wins had to have been manually checked one by one. That takes a lot of dedication.
Edit: I have no one to blame due to the anonymous nature of this. So I am mad. I have a right to be, but I'll move past this after this thread.
(Try to think how I felt. This was a final droplet in a bucket that was filled to the brim. So it pushed it over, causing a breakdown that almost led to the actions that some think I'm joking about)
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Are they really overzealous for just reporting? The report could have been as inane as "Hey someone had this unactivated game, can you check it out?" but you make it seem like whoever caught that mistake you did was saying something "OMGGGGG SOMEONEEE BROKE THE RULES. THE HEATHEN MUST PAAAAY!!!!! evil laugh". You're painting a very black and white picture there too. The same brush you don't want other people to paint in. Look, rules are rules for a reason. You broke them, unwittingly as you claimed, and now you're mad that someone did not treat you in a special way for breaking the rules. Maybe you're used to a world where you got medals for participating but the rest of the world isn't that foolish.
http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/fL4riq2 so probably not as manual as you claim maybe one of the groups you're in got checked and you failed that test. Let's say you were in a group of 200 and about 30 had non-activations, you're basically saying the support or people should spend time to talk to those 30 and ask about their situation on TOP of the thousands of tickets (I assume) that support has to handle. You're asking for entitlement for people's time and being elitist about yourself how you're above the regular process and that people have no right to question your actions. Seeing your other replies it seems like you're mad that other people don't agree with your view and is very passive-aggressive about it.
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I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm trying to understand how people don't seem to care about others anymore. So I would go out of my way to help others. Seems most SG users won't. So it is wishful thinking I know. I would have like it if this world had just a little better in it. This could be that for the site.
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I'm really sorry that you feel so bad, nobody should ever feel that way. I understand that in your case it was a mistake and you didn't actually break the rules on purpose, I'm just wondering why you think that it's okay to report level 1 users, but that higher levels should be treated differently. Personnally I think higher levels users should know better; of course everybody is entitled to make mistake... Please don't think that I am judging you, I am just curious about your reasoning, I hope you'll get better <3
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I would rather that people not take the easiest route by just suspending. I have been reading excuse after excuse why it won't work. I hate that word "because". Using that word seems immediately make things right. This is just one of the things worrying me about this community. It can be denied as much as people want to but there is what can be seen as a caste system. SG has lost sight of what matters on this site, so it is really depressing.
Edit: I don't think you are judging me.
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Nothing related to this site should ever be a reason to view things so negatively. I really hope you're in for a more cheerful period, because you more than deserve it. You're one of the better people in this community and I don't think anyone would wish you wrong.
As for this specific case, I don't really understand what went wrong, because SGTools report for unactivated wins doesn't come up with anything of interest for your profile (nothing marked in red). It's not clear to me what could have been reported against you, nor why would someone go through your profile manually when SGTools exist...
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The game I won was DMC: Devil May Cry Complete, but the giveaway was for DMC Complete. Neither I nor the creator picked up on this. (again I don't blame them). The DMC Complete Package isn't available on the store anymore (I think). So it seems to have been some problem with the Steam API most likely.
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Well, it doesn't come up now as an unactivated win, so must have been a temporary glitch. I hope such issues don't happen to you again, but if they do, there are ways to resolve them. False positive? Report to knsys. Mistakenly created giveaway? Talk to the GA creator and agree on resolution (e.g. get the missing key or ask Support to delete the GA). There's a solution to everything, but sometimes our view is clouded or we're simply missing some info. Many people on this site (including me) will be glad to help.
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The gift creator gave me the missing game from the Steam package. It didn't show up on SG tools at all before. I would have sorted it out immediately if it did.
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For what it's worth, you were already on my whitelist, for your overall generosity. And there you'll stay. I agree that gifting is good, and sorry to hear that you got bad news at a vulnerable time.
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Thanks. Most parts of the community is why I stayed, although some discussions steer in a direction that indicate a sort of "caste" system. Determined by level and real CV.
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You should've included a poll asking how many people are gonna go through your list of won games now that we know there's a dirty secret hidden somewhere :)
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Wasn't sure if I should have made a poll. It would have included a "Grow a pair" option. To scared of how many would have chosen it.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
I'm all for rules but I do know and have seen myself that there are few here that are zealots and do really think they are self imposed moderators or support staff (but they aren't) and think that they above most SG users...
Those users do remind me of a German traditional dish: sauerkraut mit bratwurst! ^ ^
Also the favorite drink of said users is concentrated vinegar! ^ ^
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I have made that mistake as a gifter, but I contacted SG about it who stopped it, thankfully only two people had entered for it, I didn't let it run it's course... But then I am curious to know how you got the suspension when just a little deeper digging would have shown that the gifter never sent the gift.
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The gifter sent the gift the giveaway was supposed to be for. They just made a mistake picking the game in the creation menu. For some reason sg tools didn't show this. The thing that worries we was how "thorough" the person who asked for the suspension was. It shows an overzealous sense of "duty" to Steam GIfts.
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I like your writing style. Please, don't be too pessimistic, I hope it gets better for you. What happened is simple following the rules and self-regulations on SG. Welcome to whitelist.
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It seems more than following the rules. It is just common courtesy to point out something to someone before you try the most extreme action you can take in that instance.
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unfortunately on this site it seems like its guilty until proven innocent not the other way around
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It's kinda hard to do at the moment though - how exactly do you contact them? I really, really wish there was some sort of messaging system on SG. Quickly contacting people to iron out issues would probably have saved me many support tickets and worries.
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You can write under some public GA. I use it as PM system.
Unless someone has got only private / group GAs.
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Post on their Steam profile. What I did with the first time I tried to get a user to activate the game. Didn't work though. Reported the person, but nothing was done so I gave up on checking if my giveaways was activated. CV seems to be the only thing a lot of users care about.
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Good idea, I never think about posting on profiles (though I find it kinda rude, if it can help in clearing misunderstandings I should probably start doing it).
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A lot of users will see it as to much of a hassle though :(
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That's what I usually do when I see a person who isn't obvious rule-breaker. I saved one new user from 4 weeks suspension so far by explaining the rules about activating all their gifts immediately after marking as received.
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Seems most of those justifying what happened don't share that sentiment.
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Sorry you had a bad day and all, but I don't think a suspension is something to overreact about, especially one that lasted 2 hours.
But the rules need to be applied equally to everyone, or they become useless for anyone. :X
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I don't expect you to understand how it felt for me. I have High Functioning Autism coupled with what can be seen as a hyper sensitivity to emotion sometimes. I was depressed already. So think of it this way: your puppy just died, you log into SG and see the suspension. How would you feel?
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Sure, I'd be upset (not at all about sg, but about the puppy), but SG isn't the end of the world, and certainly no reason to take one's life.
If it is, maybe you should get some help somewhere to deal with those issues.
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I am getting help. I have been taking meds for 16 years now. Still trying to explain it won't be possible if you can't experience it.
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And what makes you think I haven't? You're making a big assumption there (and a very, very incorrect one).
Like I said, too, though -- rules should be applied in equal measure for them to work at all.
In this case, you got the short end of the stick. That's all. Don't take it so personally and move on.
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So you have high functioning autism, hyper sensitivity to emotions and depression? The assumption you don't have them all really isn't that big. At all. :p
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I don't dispute the rules. I just would have liked if the person at least tried to point this infraction out to me.
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My son has HFA, I know what you go through. He's not on meds, but we changed his diet and put him on probiotics, I encourage you to look into it.
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Is it reasonable that SG support should have known about your puppy and depression, and treated you differently? Could anybody make such claims if depression was an excuse for not being suspended. Now I realise the problem was later cleared up - but to introduce a mental illness as a reason to be treated favourably - when it has nothing to do with the facts (incorrect game being listed in a GA) really isn't fair to support.
I have a mental illness. It was many years ago that I realised lots of people have mental illness - and it isn't a medal of honour, a competition of who takes what meds, or a license to be treated with privileges different to someone else. I would never try guilt SG support by claiming that suspending my account for a few hours almost led to suicide.
Be happy that your account was unsuspended - and move on. There is really no need to drag this out under the guise of thanking people for being so vigilant.
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I'm not using it to be treated favorably. I would just like some common courtesy. People seem to not care that there is a person beyond a transgressors avatar. So it seems wrong of me to expect people to act in a situation like this the way I would.
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In what way were you not shown courtesy? Was support rude or abusive towards you? I am sure there is a high volume of users getting suspended and so time constraints possibly does not allow for support to personally contact every user and open a dialog to uncover the history of the rule transgression.
You mentioned that you were only suspended for a few hours before it was overturned - so that does seem to be a acceptable turn around to address an issue that lies outside the usual case that support deal with. If the real issue is how you were dealt with by support than perhaps you should be more direct with your original comment and just come out and say exactly what they did that offended you so much.
Just call a spade a spade. It is only when support know precisely what they did wrong that they can review and improve.
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I'm not referring to supports, but to those who just requests suspension without maybe trying to take another path before hand. Trying to explain to you how it felt will never work. Like they say "you have to have walked a mile in someones shoes". If this was an automated process that flagged it wouldn't change how it felt.
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Unfortunately the negative weighs heavier than the positive
I think the positives forces on this site far outweigh the negatives, but it does take some time to find your way and learn to avoid the negatives, or at least learn not to take them to heart.
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Hey, It probably won't mean much, but I added you to whitelist.
Maybe that will make your day just a tad bit better... I have nothing posted atm, but I'll probably be listing some stuff soon.
Hang in there, things can get better you know!
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Some people in SG can get butthurt by nearly anything.
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I know. People on the internet seem to generally forget that other users are people.
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I don't care if other people are people, or bots. I just mind my own business and I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't involve me.
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FWIW, support staff has a checker script that is more robust than SGTools that would flag that giveaway without any deep digging. We use it on virtually every user's profile we look at, and one mod runs it on groups of users that he has a certain "random" selection process for. So you weren't necessary reported by some no-lifer that dug deep into your profile game by game.
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It still won't change anything. Would have thought there would be some manual final action. (I know that might not be possible due to limited resources).
Edit: The response from the mod was also impersonal to say the least: "Please be more careful from now on." Seems like the whole thing was my mistake.
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That limited ressource is time, it's simply not feasible to contact each and every user every time there's an issue to inquire about what happened. If there's something that needs to be clarified, that's what the "Unsuspend Request" tickets are for.
The response from the mod was also impersonal to say the least: "Please be more careful from now on." Seems like the whole thing was my mistake.
Providing accurate giveaway feedback is the responsability of the winner, so it's both the fault of the creator and the winner in a situation like this
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So it comes down to "just another casualty of war then". I understand, although it really saddens me.
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I guess that's one way to put it. This is a community with dozen of thousands of active users, thousands of tickets created every month and only a handful of volunteers to manage all of that. We try to handle any issue as well as possible, but at the same time we can't afford to spend too much time on a single issue, so there has to be some compromise.
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I'm sad to hear that this happened to you.
Even though I'm all for following rules and I think people reporting rule-breakers deserve praise, I think it would be nicer of them to contact you. I mean... it's only one game, and if they went over your list manually, then they must have seen you have DMC, just not the complete pack. Whoever reported you would've make a great inspector at Grestin Border Checkpoint.
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Sorry to hear you've been going through a rough time. Wish you the best --
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I'm running more or less frequent checks on following the rules in one group, and I have been poking people that they have unactivated games - last time someone won HD version, but got standard. User had written to GA creator and after ~1,5 week I saw that they profile is clean again, and they have on account both HD and standard version.
But at the same time when my GAs ends and I see that someone has got x unactivated / multiple wins I just fill in reroll ticket and wait for outcome.
From one side it'd be most of the time counterproductive to write to few persons at the same time and ask about the case (as people from public GAs won't try to correct themselves after they are caught, and surely someone with ~8 - 10 unactivated wins won't try to clean up their profile - unless they will want to participate in SGtools protected GAs). And from other - well I don't know every user of this site. So sometimes, when I have little time for myself, I'm not thinnking that spending it on random people on the internet is a good idea. And trying to contact with some users is pain in the ass, I tried to ask few random users from the site why they haven't activated their recent (<1 week ago) wins and I have never got answer from them.
So it's really not white/black stuff. I would poke about it someone I know from the forum / groups I'm part of, but I wouldn't "waste" my time on few times offenders, which unactivated / multiple wins are scattered across few months / years. The same way I'd spend whole day, trying to explain some topic to my friends, but I wouldn't spend more than few minutes with someone who's offending me and want me to explain something to them.
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I'm starting to wonder if there's something wrong with me that is that cause for me having such a hard time interpreting most of the gifs posted here. I really cant tell if this is approval or disapproval but I'm quite certain that it's one of the more obvious ones.
Taken out of context its a nice picture though :)
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Sorry it happened. I can see both sides of the story. As long as the rules are what they are, they should apply to everyone, and it's just unfortunate what happened to you. But then again, I do remember cringing over a poll some weeks ago, it was basically something like "what would you do if you see someone breaking rules" or something, worded differently but that was the point... and there were multiple options from "help them and explain them" to "fug them, their own fault if they get banned", and the more unfriendly options were far more popular. Guess for some people it's just not so easy to see another human being behind the avatar.
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Some threads relating to especially blacklisting has been worrisome. The obsession with real CV is another thing. I really though SG was about the act of gifting. This is why I mostly do direct gifting :)
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I have a weird feeling about the community also but then again I suppose what's shown isn't really representative of the user base as a whole but rather the most... uhm... eccentric people, like on the internet in general.
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This community is a bit strange this way. I'm not sure if it's the competition that brings out the worst in people or what it is but it's actually the most unfriendly community of like minded people that I've ever encountered. I've seen so many cases of superior attitude in the few months I've been semi-active here that it boggles my mind. Maybe it's just too many broken people trying to enact what little power over others they can in life to feel better about themselves.
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I guess we can agree that SG elitism is a very real thing. I know the most cruel people can be the most sensitive people, and vice versa... it's a confusing state to be in, like when you want to do good to people, but hate people at the same time, and this place just kind of magnifies the whole thing... think about it, a place that attracts good people, because it's about gifting, while it also attracts bad people who want to abuse the goodness of the good people... so I'm trying to figure out what's going on in the head of SG elitist.... "I want to do good to people and give them games, but I just hate hate hate people who abuse me for that, and there are rules to protect me from that, so they must absolutely know and follow all the rules, and they must be as high CV as I am to receive my gifts, because that means they're good and generous people too", and that's how you get an SG elitist. :|
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I'm actually not really that bothered by level restrictions or strict rule keeping but rather the seemingly very common phenomenon that gifters have very high standards for how someone should act and enjoy games if entering their giveaway. For this very reason I'm, mostly, joining giveaways for bundle games where I owned most of the bundle. I'm hoping that when I win a game of little monetary worth the creator wont be as upset if I don't meet some of the arbitrary requirements for a worthy winner. Then again It's probably mostly justifying to oneself that you deserve to win more than someone else when putting up these arbitrary demands on other people so I'm likely avoiding giveaways in vein :P
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I think it's connected to the same thing... they just want to be super sure their games go to the hands of people who actually want those games and will play, not just leechers who delete the game after they farm the cards out of it.... but sometimes the good intentions can turn a little wrong... Look at Hitler, sweet guy and animal lover, wanted to do good to his people and race.
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Sorry, but trying to put the blame on someone who made the effort to keep SG clean (so to speak) is just wrong.
Explaining your personal situation and hinting at suicide is supposed to make the reporter feel guilty?
Or stop others from reporting? That is wrong.
Some people spent points on that GA that could have been used on another GA with the real gift.
And expecting people to contact a rulebreaker? Yeah, sure. I can see a lot people being told "fuck you, mind your own business" when they contact them.
It's your responsibility to check you received the right game. No-one else's.
Edit: One thing to remember. The fact these things are handled by support and the reporter remains anonymous is to create a safety barrier.
The last thing you want is people fearful of reporting because of potential repurcussions from other people. Like being stalked on steam, having your accont faked on trades etc. Or simply having to engage in a discussion with other people outside of the SG site.
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You don't seem to understand what happened. The giveaway creator had the right game, but chose the wrong game package for the giveaway. Neither of us saw this. So I received the game the person intended to make the giveaway for. SG tools also missed this. So I'm not allowed to post what I went through. This post is not to stop people from reporting, but to just try and make think about exactly what you are doing. Remember that their is someone alive on the other end.
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A fake GA remains a fake GA whatever the intention, does it not?
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If it is unbeknownst then there are always better ways that just jumping to the worst action. The problem being the whole "everything is either white or black". The giveaway creator should have been more diligent and me probably too. Mistakes are made and to put them in the either/or category seems to fairly moral high ground to take.
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And I concur
You're angry because someone used the normal channels to report a broken rule.
You expect to be treated differently.
You expect some unknown person from the other side of the world to personally contact the rule-breakers and engage in personal discussions.
You expect mitigating circumstances because of your personal situation.
You expect a lot from other people. Why is that? And why do you call other people "elitist" just for following the rules? Is that supposed to cause sympathy because you portray yourself as the underdog?
Edit: Filing a report is not the "worst" action, it is the correct action. Support will decide wether a suspension or other action will be applied. But yet, you expect to be treated differently
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So I can't expect someone to do something that I would do. I would go out of my way to help someone on my site. So my bad for just thinking people might be nice in general. I don't want special treatment, but I would like it if others would try to be nice. Or don't you care at all?
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"Or don't you care at all"
So, because my opinion is different you assume I don't care. Is that supposed to make people think I'm cold and callous?
You have a weird way of thinking, only black or white. If somebody isn't with you they're automatically against you?
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I do think differently. My brain doesn't function normally, thanks for noticing. I don't assume you are callous just as you don't assume everyone who transgressed doesn't deserve to have it pointed out. We generalize to much on the internet. The whole distance a sense of anonymity gives is the biggest cause.
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No offense meant (besides youve been on my whitelist for god knows how long, for what its worth), but what you said in your first line is exactly right. You cant expect people to do the things that you would, because they arent you.
I know I dont contact people over unactivated wins anymore because I got tired of cleaning up nasty comments off my steam profile. I would imagine that plenty of other people avoid confronting people over broken rules to avoid that kind of drama.
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It's was a suspension, that you have fixed, it was for like 2h... and you wanted to suicide.
You are blaming the people who try to keep SG clean by making reports. Nobody should be cleaned from reports because they are a superior level.
You answer everyone here in the comment on the defensive "ready to be blacklisted". Why do you act like everything wrote is an aggression ?
You are over-reacting. Just stop to take everything as a personnal offense.
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Ready to be blacklisted is probably a very healthy attitude for someone like the op. This is the common punishment for any and all transgressions, perceived or real, on this site.
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Exactly. A lot of threads have made me wary of this posting on this community. There is a small clique that deems itself the rulers of this site. Dishing out blacklists and the likes.
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So why do you post if you are afraid of being blacklisted ? I know some people won't like what i answerd to you and I will be blacklisted for that because "I don't have any emotion" but I don't care, because I will have say what i truly think.
And I don't actually think that saying "okay blacklist me" will change anything.
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It may or may not have an impact on the event of blacklisting but rather serve as sort of mental preparation. May sound silly to you but everyone are different :)
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The funny thing is that these blacklistings most of the time does'n really effect me one bit, well other then as a mark of disapproval that is :)
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I put the blacklist comment because I have seen some of the stuff that happens on SG forum. Saying that this didn't affect me and I should man up is the callous nature of a lot of people on the internet I have expected. This affected me more than you can imagine. Thinking otherwise just shows a lot.
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what you care if someone blacklisted you? really? you know..this is just a internet site...just turn your pc off and enjoy nature.
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Sounds like someone just being nosey... though who isn't on this site? Even I snoop when I find someone suspicious.
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I thought you were praising vigilantes.
Shout out to support bump.
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They are there to protect us. We can't expect no :)
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I once messed up sending Poker Night to a person like I think I sent them poker night at the inventory or something. I remember this because it affected one of my other giveaways. So I went and got a new key for that person and contacted the winner to let them know that I gave them the wrong key. Hell just yesterday I accidentally sent a guy payday instead of the escapist..don't ask. I don't know, it had been a long week of giveaways. Shit happens. This is why I hate trains. It's more likely to happen to me on a train.
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So much work, never ever doing one again. Edit: Happy Cake day.
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It's just one giveaway after another after another and so forth. :-)
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How long did it take you to make your train? It took me like an hour.
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I salute you. Here I am complaining about a hour =[ I think it was like 48 carts, all together. Including the hidden stuff.
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Thank you!
However I must admit/say the following:
I really enjoyed making this train.
One of my bad points is that I can be stubborn.
Also if I have made my mind up to do something I'll follow it through.
I dislike the scorched earth strategy and as I'm fully retired from trading prior to making this train I dislike that nearly 2/3 of this train would go to waste or collect dust on a list.
I have some time to spare, a lot actually as I'm at home since I have been diagnosed with a stomach illness.
Besides one thread I really enjoy being a part of the SG community.
I want to endorse the SGTools protected giveaways as I really believe that they are an integral part of SG.
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Happy Cakeday! The answer is simple: list of game names which are links to GAs :) If you're searching for the simplest and quickest way of making forum invite-only GAs.
But still everyone likes trains :D
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Trains are easy modo. I just did something more complex, and oh that is a pain...
Anyway Cake day!
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This post is not meant to be funny or sarcastic, although it might contain elements that are.
THIS WAS NOT THE GIVE AWAY CREATORS VAULT. THE POST IS TO SHOW THE DETACHMENT THAT A LOT OF USERS HAVE WITH HOW THEY CONSIGN GUILT ON STEAM. I REALLY VALUE HELPING OTHERS OUT.
The post can be fairly aggressive. This is more me venting after having fumed over this for nearly 2 weeks
This is about a misunderstanding that lead to my suspension for a short while
Being depressed isn't a joke. A small thing can really drive an individual to do something drastic like commit suicide
About 2 weeks ago I logged into Steamgifts like I usually do a couple of times a day. This "ritual" makes up a tiny point of light in my otherwise dreary existence. I get a pop-up and wait in suspense for a second, in the hope of seeing the space cat (that adorable tripping feline we all love) . To my horror it isn't that lovable feline but a message indicating that I had received a suspension. I was mortified. Why would I be suspended? I had activated all my games and haven't broken any SG rules as far as I knew. I checked and it showed that I hadn't activated a game.
I shall summarize the situation to make it short. I won a game last year that the creator mistakenly picked a different, similar title for. I don't blame the person. It was a mistake that any one could make. I got unsuspended within a couple of hours.
I was going through a rough patch at the time. This event was the drop in the bucket to tip it over. I was so close to ending what can be seen as a pitiful existence I live (thank you mysterious stranger for almost giving me the courage to go through with what I have been contemplating to do on almost a daily basis for many years). Luckily (although a part of me thinks otherwise) I was helped by family members to refrain from doing so.
The whole thing got me thinking. Someone had to have gone through a lot of trouble to see that I "hadn't activated" the game. It doesn't show up on SG tools as not activated. So this individual had to have taken the time to manually check every game I won.
For that I salute Captain Anonymous and the SG Defenders. You really keep SG members safe from those vile re-gifters and re-sellers.
And finally: Might your blacklists be full and your suspension requests plenty.
If I'm to be blacklisted by some members for this post I take that risk. Although that would just prove some personal opinions I have had for a while now.
Edit: I'm not disputing that rules should exist, but the callous detached nature of those who use them as absolutes.
Edit 2: The suspension was lifted after a couple of hours. The giveaway was for DMC: Complete instead of DMC Devil May Cry Complete that the gifter intended. SG tools did not pick this up. So to conclude it was sorted out and I was cleared.
EDIT 3: PLEASE DO NOT BLACKLIST ANYONE RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION
I'm closing this thread. One thing I would like to add is that if others don't care about helping or going the extra mile it doesn't mean you don't have to. So sharing is caring and helping someone on Steam gifts see their mistake might just be worthwhile. Don't hide behind rules and excuses.
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