damn, now that i thought you were going to start giving games away instead of starting biased political discussions, what a shame rly
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the mods did a good job because you are the one that tried to post gore anywhere and also make it harder for steamgifts fo fund themselve through ads!
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Wait what? 11 years and you've barely given anything away, barely won anything, and not been very active on the forums either (until recently). What have you been up to here? Have you just been scrolling up and down?
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Perhaps they are biased. But what kind of fantasy world do you live in where you think you can create a pro-Palestinian and adamantly anti-Israel thread, that is a combative, badly sourced dumpster fire on a site located in a vehemently pro Israel country, without any blowback? What did you expect would happen? As such, I'm pretty sure that is was your thread that would have been problematic for SG's partners. I'm also pretty sure that the people on this site who are sympathetic to Palestinians would have preferred to discuss their views in a far less toxic environment than the one that you provided.
If your goal was truly to convince doubters of the plight of ordinary Palestinian people, you failed. Miserably. What you succeeded in was making it impossible for us to ever discuss this conflict on this site ever again. Or Ukraine - which was the unfortunate collateral damage of your shenanigans.
I wish you well and hope that you will take the time from you break with SG to grow up a little. Perhaps you can start by contemplating the difference between antagonism and persuasion in political dialogue.
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I don't understand.
People celebrate his leave by saying he's a bigot, biased and stuff like that. I don't know if he really is any of those things.
However, there are still a lot of bigots, biased people here. Nothing is done about them (I'm not saying it should be, though). Supposedly, only one among lots of them is leaving.
Is this really going to change anything on your precious forum? Or are you guys just annoyed because he isn't biased towards your beliefs?
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no but the 2 problems i had was:
1 - making a thread that has no reason to be on a site like this
2 - not allowing a discussion from both sides - he was basically of the mind site that his way was the only way - even when logical and trust sources are mentioned and also he didn't or couldn't back up some of what he was stating
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Strange that you try to pin the change in rules entirely on that user, when the thread unearthed a lot of vile sentiments in people who pushed back, too. Thinking once again of that one reply that suggested all palestinians were Hamas, and therefore as bad as ISIS, etc.
A bit vexing to see people so eager to try pin the blame on a single person, like, did nobody learn anything? :P
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I think I might be one of the few that has nothing against you personally, but reading how many people want you out, I guess it's the right call.
I think the easiest way to get blacklisted or haters are if you create the wrong type of discussion on these forums. Since you've not invested much in the website and only joined 9,328 giveaways, you're not missing much out really.
I hope you are safe, wherever you are, and the experience you've recently have had helps you grow as a person.
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To be fair, you're not the only one who was suspended. At least one of the people I reported was also suspended, and apparently not because of my ticket, which remained open. However, many others deserved a suspension as well and didn't get one.
Some people here need a "bad guy", because it makes them feel better about themselves. Because of that, there's always going to be one.
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π€‘ You created a toxic environment and the fallout led to you getting suspended. Simple as.
I do love a good "goodbye" / "woe is me" thread though! πΏπΏπΏπΏ
Bye bye
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so do i but hardly the right place to say this is it?
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No.
As an Irish person, I can tell you that the Irish absolutely sympathise with the Palestinian people (and I'm no different), but NOT HAMAS. HAMAS are terrorists, the civilian population of Palestine are innocent. If he had approached it from a human rights standpoint, condeming HAMAS for the vile act of terrorism against innocent Israelis, and also condemning the Israel government for the treatment of Palestinians across decades, then there's no way this many people would be condemning him.
It's okay to have differing views and to discuss them. It's not okay to stand behind terrorism and make excuses for it.
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It's okay to have differing views and to discuss them. It's not okay to stand behind terrorism and make excuses for it.
OK. I am getting tired of people writing nonsenses and false accusations.
Please, point me out where I cheered to HAMAS. Do that, now.
Or make your apologies. And buy a pair of goggles.
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He answered to my statement "I support free speech and condemn bigotry, double standards, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at large" with a big, front-and-center "No" as opener to his comment.
Maybe Shannon should learn how to use the 'Reply' button?
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If we go down the road of narrow-minded interpretation of text instead of trying to understand each other, I cannot help. I simply tried to point out that Shannon never said you cheered HAMAS.
If we try to get to an understanding and to listen to each other, we should always try to interpret each other's statements with an approach of positivity instead of trying to find one thing we can get hung up upon and neglect to address the underlying message.
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The one where we no longer allow discussing Israel-Palestine war. And you come here to call people genocide supporters and share links to war material.
I will ask you to stop, you can add people on Steam if you want to do off-topic discussion with them.
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... the same way I have been called "terrorist" or "terrorist supporter" out of the blue. Just out of curiosity: why did you ask me, and only me, to stop debating, when there are also other people arguing by calling names and making baseless accusations? You can ban me right now, but you should know that a good moderator has to be just and unbiased. Maybe the OP wasn't wrong, at the end of the day.
However, I already asked my fellows to stop this discussion, since it went way further than acceptable. Just for the record.
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Because
you come here to call people genocide supporters and share links to war material
Other people started to reply, and I did tell Prosac to stop. They can get easily dragged into those 1:1 exchanges. Rest of the people also did not call others Nazii, genocide supporters etc.
The point of this rule is not having people going after each other for posts that were written in now closed threads. No one called you here terrorist supporter. If you want to discuss with them - again, go and do it on Steam. Not do it here and thus bringing back topic that is not allowed in the forum.
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I see you're still throwing your unfounded accusations around, even if you failed to show proof the last time
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/3nPQbkK
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Would you mind to articulate better the part regarding the "unfounded accusations"?
I see (saw) only one person here condemning an ongoing genocide, while I see many persons here around supporting the dehumanization of an entire people, and their mass killing in the most inhumane ways. If statistics matter, that is far less then "unfounded". But you can always take a stance by condemning all the atrocities happened (and happening right now) out there, irrespective of the flag or the religion involved. That would be very appreciated.
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Is there any state or organization who classified it as genocide? No? Then it's probably just your personal opinion, unfounded accusation and hate speech of anyone opposing your opinion.
Show links of userposts supporting the dehumanization, otherwise it's just your personal opinion, unfounded accusation and hate speech of anyone opposing your opinion.
I'm not talking of statistics here, i'm talking about your mass insult of SG users
I even take the first step here, providing a link to debunk you:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-israel-commits-acts-genocide
Rather, the sensationalist use of the term genocide in relation to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not only inaccurate and misleading, but it serves to demonize the State of Israel and to diminish recognized acts of genocide.
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Is there any state or organization who classified it as genocide? No? Then it's probably just your personal opinion, unfounded accusation and hate speech of anyone opposing your opinion.
I guess you are from a foreign planet... or just kidding... or plainly in bad faith. International law classifies what is happening now as a crime against humanity: collective punishment by bombing civilian homes, hospitals, cult sites; starving people by blocking food, water, electricity medicines; forced displacements under menace or by means of armed violence; and so on and so forth... Not my personal opinion but the one of UNRWA, HRW, AI and dozen of GO and NGO all around the world. And, more important: this is what Israel MoD, MoI and a lot of Israeli 'diplomats' and IDF Generals stated with no mince words: Gaza must be destroyed to the rubbles, back to the stone age. You can google it by yourself, but probably you don't need to do that because you know quite well what is happening there. You know what? You are no less disgusting that an holocaust denier. Disgusting and ridicule. Disgusting, ridicule and border-line criminal. You, and the other genocide supporters around here.
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Not only well founded, but based on the most glaring evidence on the ground, and on the very same statements from the Israeli ministers and top-diplomats. Do you really don't realize how, at this point, your Hasbara has become so pathetic and inconsistent?
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I even take the first step here, providing a link to debunk you:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-israel-commits-acts-genocide
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide
https://youtu.be/ZWGGjLZNuyg?si=W2qo21HX7B-dXDNx
Now shut up, clown.
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One historian is neither a state nor an organization
both of your links cite the same person, Raz Segal
Raz Segal, an Israeli expert in modern genocide, calls Israelβs assault on Gaza a textbook case of βintent to commit genocideβ
Intent isn't comitted
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In fact, I talked about "ongoing genocide". We must wait for those Nazi to get their job done? Is that what your are waiting for?
Raz Segal is a prominent scholar - an Israeli scholar expert in the field, maybe the most prominent one - but, if you want, there are also orgs starting that those Nazi tugs must be stopped before it's too late:
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No, I am calling you with your own name, the one that you pinned up on your Nazi uniform when you started advocating muss murders. Besides that, your arguments are getting more and more boring. Baseless, and boring. I don't know if you are a believer of any sort and what your religion is, if any. But for any religion out there, there is a special place for the folks like you. You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting - in plain sight - those unbearable crimes against humanity. Bye bye, and happy flames!
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Besides that, your arguments are getting more and more boring. Baseless, and boring.
Same goes for your unfounded accusations and insults
You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting - in plain sight - those unbearable crimes against humanity.
please provide links to relevant posts of mine, otherwise this is just your personal opinion, an unfounded accusation, insult and hate speech, while i was only trying to debunk your lies
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(even if you do prefer mass slaughters to peace, as we know).
please provide links to relevant posts of mine, otherwise this is just your personal opinion, an unfounded accusation, insult and hate speech, while i was only trying to debunk your lies
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Two scholars are better than one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAbzV40T6yk
"We speak with philosopher Judith Butler, one of dozens of Jewish American writers and artists who signed an open letter to President Biden calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. βWe should all be standing up and objecting and calling for an end to genocide,β says Butler of the Israeli assault. βUntil Palestine is free β¦ we will continue to see violence. We will continue to see this structural violence producing this kind of resistance.β Butler is the author of numerous books, including The Force of Nonviolence: An Ethico-Political Bind and Parting Ways: Jewishness and the Critique of Zionism. They are on the advisory board of Jewish Voice for Peace."
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Two JEWISH and HIGH ESTEEMED scholars are definitely better than the infamous (and often ridiculous) ADL.
However I already posted the call of OHCHR:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity
... and I may post many more like that, but my time deserves a better sink than this.
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Two JEWISH and HIGH ESTEEMED scholars are definitely better than the infamous (and often ridiculous) ADL.
do you have any proof (relevant links) of why the ADL is often ridiculous and your two scholars are more trustworthy?
your link was already answered here:
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/ULbIkHc
... and I may post many more like that, but my time deserves a better sink than this.
yes, of course it's your time now, when you had no problem to invest it into accusing and insulting a lot of users here, but when asked for proof you're suddenly in a hurry
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Just a side note: did you notice your behaviour is toxic, obsessive, obnoxious, border-line to stalking? I provided you plenty of justification for my views. Unless you fell in love with me - I would understand that, indeed - I would say you are stalking me for repress my freedom of speech and thought. Not something to be proud of, isn't it?
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To be fair, his very first post in the thread was him insulting everybody. And he has been agressively attacking everybody that replied to him.
Just my opinion.
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"Don't feed the troll" as it goes online. If nobody takes up the "insulting everybody", then it's just a weird person yelling at the wall. Cats do that too, though they are a lot cuter.
Offline? There are still people around who are just looking anybody to have a bad look at them, eager to pick a fight.
Better to avoid both.
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Aren't you the dude who admitted to beating his 13 year old wife for not wearing her hijab properly?
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No. It was a question. You do seem hesitant to deny it. Who knows....maybe it's not you, but I think it may have been. You do have that personality.
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You're literally the only one here advocating for the deaths of anyone. Let's not get it twisted.
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You're literally the only one here advocating for the deaths of anyone. Let's not get it twisted.
Oh boys! Where did you read anything like that? Would you mind to point that out? Actually, it is the other way around: I am advocating for the right to live of everyone. No, I believe you are making unfounded accusation, just to hide your blatant bigotry.
Let's make that: I firmly condemn any killing of unarmed civilians, for whatever reason and in any condition.
Now it's your turn. Write the same statement.
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Your opposition to opposition to terrorism is in fact your tacit admission. Your disclaimer here holds no water in the face of that. As I said, literally nobody else here outside of the OP was cool with acts of terrorism and nobody else here wants any sort of war over there. Just you. And the OP.
I'd say nice try, but we both know you aren't trying.
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You are babbling nonsenses.
Or, rather, are you telling me that "opposing terrorism" equates, according to your book, to mass murdering innocent civilians, including elderly, pregnant and toddlers? Is this your very view? So, in the end, I was right: you are advocating war crimes, crimes against humanity. That makes you a big S-word person, you know? Yes, I assume you know that.
Nobody here is cool with terrorism. Neither the OP, to the best of my understanding. Indeed, I condemn terrorism, including state terrorism driven by an unlawful, occupier force. What about you, Mr. Genocide Supporter? I am still waiting for your statement.
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I've already made my position clear lol.
You OTOH are trying to have your cake and eat it too, and your high level of aggression makes it pretty obvious that one side of your mouth isn't keeping track of what the other side of your mouth is saying. That's a common problem with people who try to speak out of both sides of their mouth.
It really just comes down to this: do you think we're gonna believe you want peace when we can see everything you've typed so far? The answer is no. No we're not.
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I condemned terrorism, more then once. While you still didn't condemn mass murders and collective punishments, which are - plain and simple - crimes against humanity.
Sooo? Only unfounded accusations? Prove I am wrong, do condemn the ongoing massacre led by Israel with the complicity of U.S.A. Do that now.
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calling everyone a genocide supporter is indeed an unfounded accusation
I'm pretty unaware of what exactly is going on in this conflict, but my opinion is, that civilans have to be protected at all costs.
I never said that Israel is innocent, there are probably culprits on both sides, but i don't like others and me get called genocide or pro-Israel terrorist supporters, when no one recognized it as genocide or Israel/IDF as terrorists and when most people here, just like me, take a very neutral stance
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you should type less and make more giveaways instead.
give something positive to this community, for once
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wth do u mean?
where did I ever dox somebody, are you okay or just mentally unstable?
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Dude!!!
Putting politics and difference of opinions aside, my first ever interaction with you was correcting you on a few minor facts in your post, while providing sources and full information about what was incorrect...
Your response was condescending, mocking and completely unrelated to what I wrote.
You literally need to learn how to speak to human beings.
For your sake - I hope you do...
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Nice, you came to rub it in for him considering you're the one that posted the gore and got your thread closed in a fraction of the time for it, but avoided a suspension for it thus far.
Imagine giving him life advice but you can't follow a simple thread rule and go full ballistic instead, then act cocky because somehow you escaped cg's grasp, although you posted the gore the mods don't wanna see, not him. I disagreed with him too, but I don't get why you think you can give him advice, when what you did is far worse character and user wise.
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It's true I opened a thread to raise awareness for the atrocities which happened on October 7th.
And this thread also included links to proof of what I wrote, so people like yourself (for example) can't start denying that it ever happened or claiming it was exaggerated or fake. Like many people did in the other thread.
And that was against a specific SG rule which I wasn't aware of (It's been a while since I joined, I don't remember all rules by heart).
I later apologized, and created a new thread, in accordance to all SG rules.
Which was fine, and remained open until new rules were introduced.
The fact that you keep bringing it up on every one of my comments (which have nothing to do with you, by the way), says much more about you than it says about me.
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This is the first time I replied to one of your comments to tell you about it as far as I remember but I'm tired so maybe I told you once in that thread,, and it's irrelevant what you wanna say about it or me because I know you're the type that can't take any criticism or you'll age by 250 years and instantly evaporate or something thanos style. Stop deflecting from reality by trying to push it on me because you can't handle it. You posted the gore, it has nothing to do with me. Also, don't care what you think of me obviously. Not sure why you think I should, you lost my respect when you chose to argue that way with him, twice now.
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Amazing how well you know me, considering you've never talked to me before last week, and have barely been active in SG forums/discussions.
There's no need to reply to my comments - as you obviously know me well enough to know exactly what I'll answer and it would make it superfluous.
P.S.
You posted the gore
The fact that you keep bringing it up on every one of my comments (which have nothing to do with you, by the way), says much more about you than it says about me.
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This is not the most toxic topic on Steamgifts, no.
This is just a tribute!
Couldn't remember the most toxic topic on Steamgifts, yeah - no!
This is a tribute!
To the most toxic topic on Steamgifts,
Alright!
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If the thread had been started by an adult, we might still be able to have a meaningful conversation about the awful things being done in Gaza right now. You made that impossible.
I think we'll manage without you.
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Funny thing mods favouring people when i reply i get banned while other people abused me, insulted me and my family openly, threatened me with my personal info data called me troll/terrorist, are still out here. GOOD WORK MODS. In ten years i never saw this type biasness and double standard from mods like i saw in last 10 days. Its like a band of bullies controlling the site and mods are supporting them. There are lots of mod favourite people i reported i got all the evidence and the ticket is pending since a week. When i reply them i instantly get banned mod only activates on my comment. This will be my last comment so it doesnt matter they permanent ban me or not. After 11 years Bye bye SG.
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