Well. So I reciently met this girl I quickly got on well with and we are going to have dinner like some day next week. So now I do have a problem. Should I pay for the dinner? I mean it's not as if I was a cheap person which I am not. But on the other hand, she as an independent women might feel offended if I tried to impose that patriarcal way of acting on her. As to be honest, wouldn't if be somehow like buying her? I mean. It seems more like a trade than a moment to enjoy if I paid.

I mean, I think that the most sensitive thing to do might be to evenly split the cost among us two. But well, it might be violent to raise that topic in the discussion, specially if she's reluctant to pay.

What would you do if you were if my place? And why? Would you let her pay all the meal? split the cost? assume it all by yourself? In wich way does your local customs and/or culture affects that view?

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Where are you from? That's probably the most important question. I'm not sure how dating etiquette goes in Europe, but in the United States, unless you're specifically going as friends with no romantic thoughts or intentions whatsoever, the man should probably pay. There's a difference between being "patriarchal" and gentlemanly.

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So when you go out with your guy friends do you always pay for them? I think that a romantic occasion would be more suitable for paying in full :S

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"...unless you're specifically going as friends with no romantic thoughts or intentions whatsoever" - I guess if you're sexually interested in your guy friends, you can do whatever you want with the tab.

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"unless you're specifically going as friends with no romantic thoughts or intentions whatsoever, the man should probably pay."

So if you're friends you'll pay in full, if it's romance you won't? That's the impression I got...

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It all depends in what part of the world you live, what your age is and what kind of restaurant you are taking her. Did you ask her out? If yes i think it is ok that you pay for the food and she would probably appreciate it. If it was a mutual agreement of: hey lets hang, you are better of to suggest to go dutch.

I think it is important to decide before hand, what you are going to do, to avoid uncomfortable situations.

The majority of ladies/females/girls likes to be treated to something special. If you have romantic feelings for her, it is a good moment to show her by paying the bill this time and suggest she can pay half next time if she insists to pay half (this way you are getting almost guaranteed another date) (oh the guilt).

If you have only friendship feelings or suspect she has those, you split the bill, this to prevent her from thinking you want something from her and that might only chase her of. Many women on a first date like man that take control in pretentiously uncomfortable situations like that. So no matter what you decide to do, do it with confident.

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So, should i stay or should i go?

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You can't have your cake and eat it too. If women are our equals, then they ought to share an equal part in responsibility. The only choice is to split the cost. There are exceptions. A special treat such a a birthday dinner for example. This applies to men as well. Be egalitarian. Men paying for dinner is an outdated and sexist idea and if a woman wants to take advantage of it, then let her also give up equality in other areas lest she be revealed as a hypocrite.

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You are saying, if women are our equals.... haha funny i guess you don't really think we are. We are equal in the things we deserve, like equal pay for the same job. We are not equal in how we experience things in live, our emotions work different, our thought process, our physic, there are so many things different that we could never be equal. But it can't even be put in those ways, equal means you could have a lesser or better something. But that is not the case, because we are different and therefor are never lesser, better or equal :D

But i think it is wrong to say; oh you want to be my equal... then take responsibility in paying your own bill... Then you take responsibility in carrying a child for 9 months in your belly :D ahhaha, you can't have your cake and eat it too as well.

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So I struck a nerve, did I? Sorry for using logic to threaten your free meals and fragile sense of self-respect. You come off as a selfish idiot who uses the fact that she has a womb as an excuse for a free meal ticket. "Pay for my dinner because I have to carry a baby for 9 months and you don't". Good job being an enlightened, dignified, and responsible woman. While it is obvious that nobody is truly equal to another person (otherwise we'd all be identical in every conceivable way), we must still treat eachother more or less as equals anyway, especially when it comes to personal responsibility and accountability for our actions. If you don't want to be held accountable or responsible in all areas of your life, then you are saying you are incapable or should not be considered as an equal to those who are. So again I say, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either you're an equal or you aren't. The choice falls with you. If you want men to pay for your dinners, you must also accept the lack of respect and reduced status that comes with it. Or just pay for your own damn food like a responsible adult.

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I guess i as well struck a nerve :D I don't let "men" pay for my food, i earn my own money and food and i take my boyfriend out to dinner and he takes me out. We are treating each other equally good. You talk like females date you to get a free meal or they did, i am sorry for you. That wasn't even the topic of this thread. It is just a dinner he is talking about, not financially supporting her for live. You tell me i come of as a selfish idiot, is not such a nice thing to say about a person you don't even know and based on what you read here, while you can clearly see i am joking around with the :D and hahaha part. It is ridiculous how paying a meal for somebody can mean to some people, either you will receive reduced respect or you are not a responsible adult. In my country things are much more relaxed and there are no "rules" or disrespect. Girls pay for boys, boys pay for girls, some go half half. It is hard to judge for another person what is right for him/her. The OP could be even a girl herself. But it is funny to see people judge so fast about other people's opinion and get insulting.

Anyways, MrCastiglia, enjoy your date and don't worry to much about these things. It might come natural, just enjoy your dinner with each other.

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For the sake of argumentation, paying dinner bills and breeding are not very comparable. Males cannot carry a child because they are not build to do so. Both genders are, however, capable to earn income and thus pay for meal.

I agree with you that there are certain very clear factors that make it impossible to have true equality. That is good as some of them also make us diverse and thus, in my opinion, better. Still would not try to mix so freely economical and biological factors into blending machine.

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well job pay and food at least should fall into the same category right? males used to get higher pay because they were expected to be working to support women. but if they're getting the same pay women are able to buy their own stuff now

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you pay, it's the safest thing to do. She'll tell you if she wants to pay (a part).
But expecting she will pay for herself is something you can't do.
So I'd go with buying her dinner and if she's uncomfortable she'll tell you.

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I would pay for the dinner; however, make sure to know how much you can afford and set a limit beforehand. I remember the first dinner date I went on with my wife, girlfriend at the time. I got the bill and realized that I didn't have enough money to pay for it. I was short by a few dollars, but man I felt like a blue chicken in a white dress. I joked that I was going to ditch her, confidence as mentioned earlier in this thread. I went and looked through my car for extra cash, but to no avail. In the end, she footed the last few dollars on a debit card. Every time after that, when we go on dates, I set a price limit for the meal and have had no issues.

Also, being a Christian affects my view. According to scripture, women are the weaker vessel. Even people who don't believe in the bible can agree that, in general, women are weaker. In accordance to this, I adhere to the behavior of the man caring for the woman, as told to in the bible. Therefore, in most instances, even if the woman offered to pay, I would politely refuse.

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When physical prowess and ability to bring meat on the table was primary factor, men were usually the leading gender. Many civilizations are however starting to change because technology improves and both social and economical structures are changing greatly. This leads into a situation were areas usually dominated by males (e.g. physical power) are no longer held in so high regard. I would consider females to be already in some areas the more "powerful" gender (e.g. education).

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Pay on first date, but set your priorities straight from the get-go. :P I too believe in splitting the bill, but we also alternate who buys who dinner. It's always been like that for me and I've never had a problem :D

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Unfortunately, I think you should expect to have to pay most of the time. I offer to pay whenever I hang out with male and female friends (they do the same out of politeness). It's best to bring the topic up in a nice way, if possible, and discuss how it will work in the future. A friend's girlfriend confronted him early in their relationship because he refused to let her pay even half of the bill. He assumed that she wanted to be polite and that she was testing him lol. They then had an agreement to alternate between who pays. After he graduated from school though, he footed every bill until she graduated. My girlfriend has been paying for our meals for a while now because she earns more than me.

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Offer to pay but if she won't have it just don't insist too much. One thing I've done in the past is say (assuming you want another date) that she could pay the next time. Kind of a nice way to tell her you're hoping there will be more dates.

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If you want just fuck her pay, if you really like do not pay.

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I would pay double the value... I would feel ashmed if she would do it... Unless you don't have enough money.

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If it is considered a date it tends to be polite for the guy to at least offer to pay for her. She can decline and pay her half or offer to pay for you on something else that night (or a future date) but it is best to at least make that offer. Us independent girls are used to the guy at least offering and normally don't find it insulting because it is meant to be polite.

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