TL;DR?
Well i don't have a blacklist, or a whitelist or any list. I'm at the point of my life i just dont give a rats ass about what happens to the stuff after i give it away.
All rainbows and sushine to me :)
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If I can spare the time, I'll return here later to articulate my thoughts on the issue.
For now: thank you for the interesting topic, in more ways than one...
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That was a wall way too long, you know, I mean your post. I do not have enough practice to read four pages like this! Maybe someday, I will train myself to read walls like this.
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Blacklisting and blocking is great. The way I see it you overstep a boundary and a few people take notice - you may end up on a couple of blacklists but it's not a big deal. There are still a lot of people who haven't blacklisted you and if you are or were a shitty person you deserve to have the odds skewed against your favor. Despite this site basically provide people with free games thanks to a generous community. If you give away games it should be left to you under what circumstances it's being given and if you don't give away games a blacklist is completely useless anyway.
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Stares at the puzzletext blankly Too tired to work this one out. Bump for being amusing.
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Everyone has their own reasons, its really up to the user. Though if stick to your criteria there really shouldn't be much need for rechecking, though if you blacklist as the mood suits you and may want to unblacklist later then you may want to record it. You have some really nice artwork btw :)
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Most of the winners from my giveaways don't say thanks to me after getting the game. I don't like drama on the Internet so I tend to think that they're simply shy :) I don't blacklist anyone for this reason.
I've read your wall of text and I agree with you that most blacklisted people don't deserve an explanation. Either they are greedy hoarders or simply impolite. Everyone have their right to blacklist whoever he wants, there are lots of good people here but also several bastards who deserve not only to be blacklisted but a permanent suspension.
Thanks for the ride!
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My blacklist is a bit useless. I don't use any method of remembering why I blacklist people, so (unless they're particularly memorable) when I come to looking at my blacklist a few weeks later, I invariably can't remember why the hell I blacklisted them and feel obliged to remove them.
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This is amazing. Thank you! (And you nearly had me fooled at that caboose...)
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Funny, I've never had anyone ask me about mine even though I blacklist like a Drunken Chaos Lord. (except a couple uproars on new group announcements when I made a GA there and apparently quite a few had found that list) Maybe you have too friendly of a name or something...
I have been spending more time trying to work on the whitelist though of late and concentrate on the good folks rather than the others.
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Stop caring about ppl who doesn't care about you => makes my life easier XD
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This was real fun. First time being in one of your wall of puzlext so it made me do a double take when I noticed something was off. Good stuff, good stuff. Thanks for the train.
As for the topic at hand, if someone is whining about being blacklisted, chances are they deserve to be blacklisted.
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well I have two things to say, the 1st can not believe that there are people who complain for win games, whether if they are free, for what are they complain ?? if are cheap or expensive does not matter, what matters is the desire to giveaway a game, is a discourtesy total despise a won a game, can not believe complain about this :_
and 2nd why I'm on your blacklist?
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Black list the dillweeds, does it block their pms? it should block them, but then they make new accounts so you can only ignore them. too many entitled people. I give stuff away and it's gone, if I cared who it went to I'd belong to give away groups which is great to get really nice things and share a pool of neat stuff. I don't care if someone plays it 5 mins or never, but I expect them to activate it, if they don't they should be banned after the second offense, one warning then they should be banned or account frozen till they activate it if it can, if they gave that second away banned. I enter only what I want, but far too many regifters and alts just spamming entries in everything, but I don't have to cry about getting bad rats or something because I don't enter 90% of the giveaways. I'd probably enter 50% but you have to stretch your points so I split between small things and large things and between that I try to put a back log on stuff that is 1+ weeks out. When a weeks up you then find out over half those giveaways are canceled but that's life. Every month I look through my indie/bundle dupes and give stuff at 0 level, I do like level 2/3 giveaways wish there were more.
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tl;dr. blacklisted.write less.
Yep, that's exactly how blacklists work.
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I rarely blacklist anyone. The few users I have added to my blacklist seem to have been alts and got perma banned from the site for spamming referral links in the forum or in other people's giveaways. I find the whitelist to be a more useful feature. I really like that David Bowie sketch of yours. :)
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Bump and thanks!
And I think it's about time we blacklist word "blacklist' from the forum. I get the feeling that it's used as a threat, call for justice, whining, flame wars and pointless rants more often than as intended function. Or maybe add a cute kitten gif appearing before blacklisting as a reminder to just relax and take it easy
Have a good day!
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Thanks for the rambling wall of text !
Wall of texts are a daily thing in this subthread
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So a while back I started making giveaways. And the first batch I made were public giveaways with no level requirements. And certainly some of the games went to people who seemed nice. But I couldn't help but notice that some got regifted or simply vanished without trace. And I had to chase some people who didn't mark the games as received and it turned out they didn't want the games because they thought they were bad games or because it as a waste of time activating them because of their VAC ban and so on.
And for a while I maybe felt like a dick for going to the trouble of giving games away to people who didn't even want them. And I resolved to start experimenting with ways to maybe focus my gifting towards people who weren't such assholes. And I have experimented with various kinds of giveaways with varying degrees of success. And I have experimented with whitelists and group giveaways but I would feel a little guiltY about entering public giveaways if I made no public giveaways myself.
And I have experimented with blacklisting. Which I felt in theory was a great way of gradually focusing gifting towards the more lovable members of the community.
It's fair to say that that my first blacklistings were fairly haphazard and I'm not a perfect person and I'll even admit that I blacklisted a few people for quite petty reasons while druNk - but all of those have been reversed and I'm now quite consistent about why I blacklist people and keep a list of why I have done it.
I'm blacklist people for badly breaking the rules or abusing the system (like multiple regifters). I'm blacklisting people for having a bad ratio plus something else naughty, because I wouldn't want to discriminate against people who just can't afford stuff (like people who have a really bad ratio and moan about only winning crap games in discussions). And I'm blacklisting people who I felt were rude or abusive or entirely unreasonable (because it would stick in my throat to give a game to somebody who had told me to kill myself). This seems reasonable to me.
But to me things began to seem unreasonable when I made a giveaway for 3 copies of Skullgirls and woke up the next morning to find that despite a large number of entries more people were moaning about being blacklisted than had actually said 'thank you'. And I spent half the next day Being harassed by and arguing with various people despite also being really busy in real life.
If somebody asks why they are blacklisted I don't mind checking if I have made a mistake or looking if they have mended their ways - but when I commit to giving a game away I don't also want to commit to wasting a bunch of time arguing with people.
More recently somebody took the trouble of contacting me after noticing they were blacklisted to tell me what a good user they were, to express their surprise and upset and to issue some vague but malevolent threats. I checked my list and saw they were blackListed for several things ranging from having a terrible ratio to scamming people in trades. And I also noticed that this user had never made a giveaway that I had been able to enter.
I had been excluded from every private group giveaway this user had made and apparently now this user had discovered that I had made a giveaway that he was excluded from he found this entirely unreasonable. Is it wrong to be pissed off about that?
In conclusion I'm now about bored of this shit. I'm considering how to move forwards on the matter and thought it would be interesting to have a discussion and hear peoples opinions.
But before replying I would like people to consider that whenever I have previously posted a rambling wall of text in 'puzzles' there has been something far more important going on than the topic that appears to be the issue.
EDIT - I literally have several hundred new messages. I hadn't quite expected that response. Clearly blacklisting is CONTROVERSIAL or else folks are just really excited about the other thing. I'll reply to as much stuff as I can but it may take a while.
To clarify a few things at the risk of making a wall of text even bigger;
I'll always check why I blacklisted people as clearly I'm not infallible. Although in the past I have had several productive discussions with people I blacklisted I don't feel able to commit to that in the future due to a recent onslaught of bullshit. At this stage I'm reluctant to even get involved in discussions when so many of them end up wasting so much time.
I'm pretty sure I know what caused the onslaught of bullshit. Participating in the 'midsummer madness' event clearly brought me to the attention of some people who hadn't previously noticed my more subtle giveaways. And also I added 'really bad ratio + only making private group giveaways while raking it in from public giveaways' to the list of things I blacklist for which upset a number of especially argumentative and entitled individuals.
I'm not upset or else I wouldn't still be making giveaways. I have vented. I have put my point of view across. I will honestly consider the feedback. I will move forwards.
EDIT2 - 890 messages since I made this. I have read them all but it is unlikely that I will be able to reply to them all. The main lesson so far appears to be that the people who have contributed the least to this community are the ones most likely to get outraged about what other people are doing with their giveaways.
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