TL;DR?
Took a ride on your train, but hopped off at level 3, really should stop being lazy and give a few of these things away. You have some nice art too.
I understand there's a variety of reasons to blacklist and most are cool. You are giving something of value for free, so whatever reason you don't want someone getting your thing of value is legit. EXCEPT the jerks who blacklist for saying thanks or not saying thanks, but not saying which one it is...that's not cool. I've only seen that mentioned two or three times but still...not cool. Personally I don't have a blacklist no matter how big of an ass I've seen people be...except that one jackass....seriously...screw that guy.
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I think my previous comment was lost due to bad 3G connection :(
But to recap. It shouldn't be too hard. Be a nice person, and the risk for being blacklisted goes down. The people who don't care about the site rules, win multiple copies of the same game, regift, don't activate etc, are probably more likely to start a fight over a "legit" blacklisting than a kind person over an unwarranted blacklisting.
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Thanks for the train, heavenhairsixes, and for sharing your artwork with us! :)
I had never intended on using the blacklist feature that was implemented when this site was overhauled, but I've resorted to adding a couple of obvious regifters. I'm not happy about it, but I'd rather make giveaways for people who actually want the games, rather than for someone who would simply regift it.
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I was gonna reply in the puzzle but i thought... thats gonna have too many comments already so i'll just post one comment here
1- trains are awesome :D thanks!
2-Dont worry too much about BL people, specially if you are doing so with a good reason like you say, people will always find a way to jump at you no matter what, i know of people being harrased for making GAs too high level or simply not winning lol, so just cheer up and keep up the awesomeness :D
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Bump! You know, your history is somehow like mine. I totally understand you.
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You may have a bump for your lovely train. I think you should just keep on doing what you are doing not worry about what other people think.... wait does that mean you should ignore what I just wrote? Oh well.
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I blacklist regifters and people I see being general assholes, but that's about it.
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L but not TL. Did read ;)
Very nice art. I went through a few pages looking at them.
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Thanks for the train! It was a fun ride =)
Personally, I think that you should ignore people who keep insisting and arguing about being blacklisted, if you already gave them an answer that should suffice (and even that is your choice, not an obligation).
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I've only found I was blacklisted by 1 person when I tried entering a giveaway I was interested in. I (like most people, I guess) generally consider myself a good person, so I could have messaged that person, or posted in the thread they linked the giveaway, or any number of things...but....seemed more a hassle than it was worth, so I overcame the "SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DOESN'T LIKE ME!" feeling, and carried on with my life.
Today, I'm a successful businessman with my own company and 6 figure income! Try it yourself!
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What is TL;DR? >_>
If it is something REALLY obvious I'll just delete my comment.
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I generally blacklist people who I find obtrusive towards myself or others that are giving away free goodies. And people who break the rules. I've once blacklisted a winner of a game because of bad ratio and he made it rather clear he wouldn't be playing the game because he had too big of a backlog. He recieved the game and was nice to me, but I would personally never enter games I don't intend to try out as I don't find it fair to the other people that really wants to play those games. So I blacklisted him because I simply want more deserving people to win my games.
Anyhow, thanks for the superlong and awesome train.
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Haven't blacklisted anyone YET. Hopefully don't have to anytime soon.
also bump :3
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Yeah, there are some blacklist communists which blacklists you even if u say something not remotely connected to them... I also follow your "rules" of blackilisting or i should call them reasons.. They looks solid unlike some other folks :P couldnt read the whole but will do so tommorow, its 3:00 AM here. [no blacklisterino plz thnx ]
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So a while back I started making giveaways. And the first batch I made were public giveaways with no level requirements. And certainly some of the games went to people who seemed nice. But I couldn't help but notice that some got regifted or simply vanished without trace. And I had to chase some people who didn't mark the games as received and it turned out they didn't want the games because they thought they were bad games or because it as a waste of time activating them because of their VAC ban and so on.
And for a while I maybe felt like a dick for going to the trouble of giving games away to people who didn't even want them. And I resolved to start experimenting with ways to maybe focus my gifting towards people who weren't such assholes. And I have experimented with various kinds of giveaways with varying degrees of success. And I have experimented with whitelists and group giveaways but I would feel a little guiltY about entering public giveaways if I made no public giveaways myself.
And I have experimented with blacklisting. Which I felt in theory was a great way of gradually focusing gifting towards the more lovable members of the community.
It's fair to say that that my first blacklistings were fairly haphazard and I'm not a perfect person and I'll even admit that I blacklisted a few people for quite petty reasons while druNk - but all of those have been reversed and I'm now quite consistent about why I blacklist people and keep a list of why I have done it.
I'm blacklist people for badly breaking the rules or abusing the system (like multiple regifters). I'm blacklisting people for having a bad ratio plus something else naughty, because I wouldn't want to discriminate against people who just can't afford stuff (like people who have a really bad ratio and moan about only winning crap games in discussions). And I'm blacklisting people who I felt were rude or abusive or entirely unreasonable (because it would stick in my throat to give a game to somebody who had told me to kill myself). This seems reasonable to me.
But to me things began to seem unreasonable when I made a giveaway for 3 copies of Skullgirls and woke up the next morning to find that despite a large number of entries more people were moaning about being blacklisted than had actually said 'thank you'. And I spent half the next day Being harassed by and arguing with various people despite also being really busy in real life.
If somebody asks why they are blacklisted I don't mind checking if I have made a mistake or looking if they have mended their ways - but when I commit to giving a game away I don't also want to commit to wasting a bunch of time arguing with people.
More recently somebody took the trouble of contacting me after noticing they were blacklisted to tell me what a good user they were, to express their surprise and upset and to issue some vague but malevolent threats. I checked my list and saw they were blackListed for several things ranging from having a terrible ratio to scamming people in trades. And I also noticed that this user had never made a giveaway that I had been able to enter.
I had been excluded from every private group giveaway this user had made and apparently now this user had discovered that I had made a giveaway that he was excluded from he found this entirely unreasonable. Is it wrong to be pissed off about that?
In conclusion I'm now about bored of this shit. I'm considering how to move forwards on the matter and thought it would be interesting to have a discussion and hear peoples opinions.
But before replying I would like people to consider that whenever I have previously posted a rambling wall of text in 'puzzles' there has been something far more important going on than the topic that appears to be the issue.
EDIT - I literally have several hundred new messages. I hadn't quite expected that response. Clearly blacklisting is CONTROVERSIAL or else folks are just really excited about the other thing. I'll reply to as much stuff as I can but it may take a while.
To clarify a few things at the risk of making a wall of text even bigger;
I'll always check why I blacklisted people as clearly I'm not infallible. Although in the past I have had several productive discussions with people I blacklisted I don't feel able to commit to that in the future due to a recent onslaught of bullshit. At this stage I'm reluctant to even get involved in discussions when so many of them end up wasting so much time.
I'm pretty sure I know what caused the onslaught of bullshit. Participating in the 'midsummer madness' event clearly brought me to the attention of some people who hadn't previously noticed my more subtle giveaways. And also I added 'really bad ratio + only making private group giveaways while raking it in from public giveaways' to the list of things I blacklist for which upset a number of especially argumentative and entitled individuals.
I'm not upset or else I wouldn't still be making giveaways. I have vented. I have put my point of view across. I will honestly consider the feedback. I will move forwards.
EDIT2 - 890 messages since I made this. I have read them all but it is unlikely that I will be able to reply to them all. The main lesson so far appears to be that the people who have contributed the least to this community are the ones most likely to get outraged about what other people are doing with their giveaways.
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