What are you?
The INTP personality type is fairly rare, making up only three percent of the population,
Not SG's population, apparently. Haha
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INFP-T
Introverted: 79%
Intuitive: 58%
Feeling: 54%
Prospecting: 68%
turbulent: 61%
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Mediator (INFP-T)
Introverted: 90%
Intuitive: 63%
Feeling: 65%
Prospecting: 60%
Turbulent: 90%
Basically, I'm just a fucked up person.
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“The Architect” (INTJ-A)
Analyst
Confident Individualism
Introverted 83%
Intuitive 65%
Thinking 72%
Judging 56%
Assertive 61%
When I started reading the intro, I didn't really feel that way, but once I got to the strength/weaknesses, yep, that's me! :D
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INTP-A
doubt these tests are really able to evaluate ones personality precisely
... but then again there are no precise means to evaluate it anyway -
i do remember taking one of these on paper - was intp as well, which
one though, i can not recall
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Took the test some time ago and got INTsomething. However, some of the questions were vague, and the description was wrong about some things, IIRC. In any case, I don't see how the MBTI is useful, except maybe as entertainment for people who like taking tests.
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It's useful if you want to get along with people better. For example, if you'e INTP and you want to get along with ESFJ, you'll understand they don't really work the same way as you. Different types are prone to get offended or annoyed by different things, and it just makes it easier to avoid doing something they may not like.
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I suppose that makes some sense. However, to work well, it would require everyone to know their type, and for me to know what all the types mean to be able to modulate my interaction towards a particular person. And even then, since the types are often wrong about some things for any given person, I would end up having incorrect assumptions about them. Besides, if I want to get to know someone, I'd prefer to do that through regular conversation, rather than something like:
A: Sup, I'm INTP.
B: Sup, I'm ESFJ.
A: Cool.
B: Cool.
crickets chirping
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90% correct assumptions + 10% incorrect is more valuable to me than 100% no idea at all.
But yeah, it takes some reading and experience with different types to actually feel it becoming useful. And typing other people without tests... it works for some who are walking stereotypes of their type, but other people are harder to type.
Regular conversations are still cool, the type thing is just a bonus.
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Ok, but you still don't know which 90% is correct and, conversely, which 10% is incorrect. So, not quite something you can rely on.
I'm intrigued though, can you relate a personal experience where knowing someone's type was useful for you?
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There are no certain situations or anything like that, and I don't quite get the "which 90% is correct" part either... it's more like a general thing. I'm in Facebook groups for different types, and the dynamics are very different. Like F groups are more friendly and supporting and PC than T groups, which are mostly just unemotional stuff mixed with offensive jokes.
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You said "90% correct assumptions + 10% incorrect is more valuable to me than 100% no idea at all.", so I took that to mean 90% of the set of assumptions that a particular type has. And presumably the particular assumptions that comprise that 90% are different for each person, so you can't know what they are in advance, except in rather broad strokes. Which is why I said it's not something you can rely on (again, except for the most basic things a type implies that are likely to hold true for everyone belonging to it).
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Let's put it like that... if you assume 100% something, and 90% of it will be correct, it's pretty cool. Doesn't really matter which 90% is it. You don't have to know 100% to benefit from being right 90% of time, as opposed to guessing randomly and being right just 50% of time. As long as you don't assume too strongly to the point of being judgmental, it's a good thing. If that makes sense.
And yeah it's not meant to be relied on 100% or judging people by it, it's more like general guidelines and play of percentages, and you end up being correct more often than not by knowing some of the stuff.
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You don't have to know 100% to benefit from being right 90% of time, as opposed to guessing randomly and being right just 50% of time.
Yeah, but there is a third option: don't guess or assume, instead just ask (or deduce from interaction). Which is the one I prefer :)
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That can be done anyway, but sometimes you can't for whatever reason (like being a totally socially unacceptable thing to do) and to me it's always better to have some vague idea of someone, that you can improve over time by fitting their shared details in it, rather than having only those details.
Also, interpreting someone's words can also be more effective if you know their type. Some are more likely to "decorate" what they say, while others are brutally blunt.
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Some people express themselves more indirectly and metaphorically, sure, but I don't quite see how knowing their MBTI type would help you interpret what they say. Can you give an example?
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Some types are likely nice just for the sake of harmony, some types are nice when they really mean it. Take that as an example.
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But it's not nice to assume someone who appears nice isn't really nice just because they have a particular type :P
I mean, statistically you might be correct most of the time, but in reality at any particular time you're dealing with a single, actual person, not a statistical population.
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Never said I'm nice. It's also not nice to assume someone is lying if they show all the physical signs of it, but people who know body language and all that, do it anyway, and it's useful.
And if I'm statistically right, I'm right with single person too, more often than people who don't know the formulas of being statistically right. But really, as I said, the thing is not nearly as serious and definite as you seem to think. It's just little signs that tell me about the person, and I don't really use the stuff to make decisions based on stuff I don't know for sure.
Maybe it doesn't make much sense... and I know I'm not very good at explaining this, but I've been into it for about 2-3 years, constantly interacting with people online whose types I know, so in all that time I've noticed some certain patterns that I can't explain with words, especially since every person is different, and you may not have those experiences I do, or even if you have, you may not recognize them by my words only... this stuff is very.. subtle. And lots of different nuances too, since people of same type may act differently depending on their enneagram or mood or whatever.
So yeah, forgive me, but it's not much possible to explain this in understandable way.
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ISTP. SG is definitely not representative of the population :P
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I took this a long time ago, don't remember the results and too lazy to try again
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INFP-T
Introverted - 94%
Intuitive - 74%
Feeling - 68%
Prospecting - 58%
Turbulent - 60%
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INTP, same as most people in here, it looks like.
This is the third personality test I've taken and twice I've come up with INTP and one time I got INFJ “The Advocate”.
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Your personality type is:
Logician (INTP-a)
Hmm, it is not supposed to do that...
Mind
This trait determines how we interact with our environment.
44%
Extraverted
56%
Introverted
Energy
This trait shows where we direct our mental energy.
71%
Intuitive
29%
Observant
Nature
This trait determines how we make decisions and cope with emotions.
60%
Thinking
40%
Feeling
Tactics
This trait reflects our approach to work, planning and decision-making.
39%
Judging
61%
Prospecting
Identity
This trait underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
76%
Assertive
24%
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INTP-A.
I broke up with my girlfriend because she was way too emotional. I guess my result is correct.
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You don't even have to be INTP to find average woman too emotional tbh. :P
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I like this type of stuff even though i remember our little disagreement on iq tests online :p Personality tests are fun. According to test my type is ESFP-A.
Edit: After reading It's only half true for me. :(
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That was the biggest waste of 2 minutes in my life...
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INFP-T. Yeah, I can believe that. I'm usually pretty middle-of-the-road, and I tend to think of ideas that, while not exactly good (terrible in retrospect), are out there enough to consider giving it a chance.
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in teepee
When I tried the test for the first time like a year ago, I got an INTP, then INTJ on the different site. So I tried study the whole MBTI thing a little bit more (got obsessed a bit, okay) and ended up undecided, despite understanding cognitive functions :D
I tried it like two more times (got INTJ) but then realized I was actually answering what I'd want to be more than on what I really am.
And now: two recent tests (week ago) both gave me INTP and I actually incline to think I am an INTP.
(I even tend to like intp subreddit more than intj one)
It's also interesting to see many of us here on SG though.
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Yeah. Another funny thing is, that usually between P and J, most people are actually P. For the reason you mentioned, and because P are more unsure and inbetween when trying to answer the questions.
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IFSJ here. Now I need to read all of those descriptions and see what it means. Thanks about the gibway
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ISTJ-A
SENTINEL
CONFIDENT INDIVIDUALISM
Strength of individual traits: Introverted: 69%, Observant: 59%, Thinking: 61%, Judging: 55%, Assertive: 63%.
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"The INTP personality type is fairly rare, making up only three percent of the population, which is definitely a good thing for them, as there's nothing they'd be more unhappy about than being "common"."
Which is why I was saddened when I answered the poll and realized there was an abundance of us.
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I was a fan of MBTI about twenty years ago. Now, there is plenty of science to question it's reliability and validity.
Reliability = if you were to take the inventory many times, over time, would it consistently show the same result?
Validity = does this testing tool actually and consistently measure an aspect of personality or a characteristic that can be related to another measurement too?
Personally, I took the test a number of times over the course of about 6 weeks and less than 50% of the time did it consistently show that I had the same score. This was enough to make me think that this inventory tool was nothing more than a fad test like 'which superhero character are you?' Yes, the vague-ness of many of the elements in the tool and it's conclusion statements are not confidence building.
The whole inventory system was basically started on popular thinking about aspects of personality. There has been little or no effort into improving this tool beyond what some would consider a 'Fad Test' and there is no real research to support the very weak science behind the concepts when it was developed 50+ years ago.
In all honestly, as a student of psychological science and a critical thinker, I feel that this inventory too should come with the statement: THIS TEST IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY
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Some people are more balanced than others, but generally I find it useful beyond entertainment. Or how else would you explain that I feel more "at home" in INTP groups than for example ESFJ groups, or even INFP. The same is true for other people of more rare types, too. In our online groups, we finally feel somewhat "at home". Somehow I doubt "which superhero" test takers divided by result would experience anything similar.
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People with vaguely similar personality types will generally always get along with like-minded people.
Now, if this test were actually valid, it could say more about what specific types of personalities are like to do given a specific situation or choice. This test does not do that.
The outstanding issue is that these tests do not consistently, within a statistically acceptable margin of error (3% OR LESS) always produce the same outcome when a person takes the test multiple times - even over short or long periods of time. THAT is why this test is scientifically a 'joke' and unacceptable within frontline scientists in the field of psychology.
If you would care to do actual research into this inventory and look at others who have examined it more closely in recent journals of psychology you would too discover that this tool is loosing both popularity and practical use in modern situations.
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There are things that it's good for, and there are things it's not good for. For some reason you seem to think some of the latter should be some of the former. But really, if you find the sweet spot between what it can do and what it can't, it's useful. But that's just my opinion here.
If you would care to do actual research
I've been into it for 2-3 years. Pretty sure I'm well aware what it's considered.
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Help me understand. Because to me, it sounds like you are 'OK' with bad science.
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It's not supposed to be exactly "science", at least I don't take it as that. But it's more useful to me than just "which superhero" tests.
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Ah, I understand how you perceive the test now. It is a fallible tool that is not used in full seriousness; but as a general guide-posting tool for whatever general purpose might be deemed regarding first-impressions of people and there personalities. Basically, a very generalized rough-draft of the personality being considered.
In all honesty, psychology as a science -in the short time that it has been around - has had a very rough start. It has had to dig itself out a a hole persay in the minds of the general public and the other sciences. It is only because of the science of statistics that it has been able to come out from the shadow of weak-theories and concepts without any basis like some of Freud's early ideas. (FYI to this date Freud's Daughter's theories are much more scientifically plausible and accepted than her father's are.) There are many other commonly used inventories and tools that are frequently being reviewed, updated and perfected to be both statistically valid and reliable. Those such tools are held in much higher regard than MBTI which has had very week updates and is not statisically / scientifically acceptable.
From this point forward, I would strongly recommend not discussing MBTI with other scientists and psychologists for fear of making a bad impression on them that the use of a statistically unreliable tool could make your work sound ... well, let's say: 'less-than professional.'
Casual discussion of the MBTI in an environment away from such professionals in the field, like the casual comments in this thread, are fully acceptable, interesting and are productive in causing people to give more thought to their own personality, how it functions as well as how other people approach life. In this sense, it can be a good starting point for those willing to consider furthering their knowledge of themselves, others and the science of psychology. Just as long as people know that the tool is not perfect - then assumptions will be safe from upset.
Are you familiar with Group Think? I find it to be an interesting concept to to consider; especially during election season.
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Those such tools are held in much higher regard than MBTI which has had very week updates and is not statisically / scientifically acceptable.
Which tools?
I would strongly recommend not discussing MBTI with other scientists and psychologists for fear of making a bad impression on them that the use of a statistically unreliable tool could make your work sound ... well, let's say: 'less-than professional.'
I'm not a professional and I don't intend to sound as one. If they choose to misunderstand what kind of role MBTI plays for me, and think I'm stupid based on that, it's their choice and I wouldn't give much shits either way.
Are you familiar with Group Think?
Yeah I guess... I've actually considered it as a possible reason why MBTI type groups are different, depending on which type they're for. Like people thinking "I'm in INTP group so I must act like an INTP". But that can't be it, because the way the groups act is quite different from what the general description of the type is. INTPs are supposed to be "philosophical nerds" or so, yet the INTP groups are total troll fests, because such weird humor is part of most people identifying with the INTP type.
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Which tools? Well, if as you say you have been using the MBTI for a few years now, then you should have heard of other personality inventories. As for myself, the ones that I would likely mention are those most likely to be used in a clinical situation (aka Hotel California) in the treatment of people that are not 'normal' and have significant psychological disorders. Sorry, I cannot really recommend something practical there - I deal with a separate part of psychology and would risk giving bad advice on other tools that I am out of practice and continuing education with. But, I can try to provide some productive insight.
And regarding your attitude about those that might think that way.... I would suggest that you consider turning your attitude around. Those same people who you might not care what they think of you are the same people who are your resource into finding better tools and how to properly use them. They are not your enemy. They are just as interested in tools and their use in society as you are. They get just as excited about learning something new or finding ways to gain better understanding about the human condition. They just see it from a different perspective than you do. Why not reach out to your local university's psychology department - I bet there would be at least one individual there excited to discuss your interest in these tools and they could probably even provide (FREE) advice to help you be more effective what you do use the inventory for.
As for Group Think... I would look at the ludicrous situation we have in Donald J. Trump as a potential presidential candidate and I would really be curious as to WTF are going through the minds of people that think that he is qualified in both personality and experience to lead a nation. That is the kind of 'group think' that i am both individually as well as scientifically interested in trying to understand... because as of now... I am completely baffled and intellectually insulted with the situation with Trump.
INTPs ... ah, well. Those and their closest intellectual cousins of many varieties ... they have strong mental concepts and they hold to them... unfortunately, they also tend to do more fighting over the semantics than truly discussing intellectual concepts in a productive manner. Yes, they are esoteric and sometimes eccentric in their thinking - but that is also a strong point of their richly detailed sense of humor. Sometimes, it is best to plead ignorant with them and just ask them to explain a joke. Also, try to avoid their 'discussions' unless you are on the 'same level' as them - because such interactions more frequently provide more heat than light from the friction of true intellectual examination. But it is also that other INTPs (or similar personalities) are more than likely being quiet and it is only a few outspoken ones that are making all the noise. Those that are quiet - those would be the ones that would be most likely to provide a productive one-on-one discussion with.
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Well, if as you say you have been using the MBTI for a few years now, then you should have heard of other personality inventories
I have, but I'm wondering which ones did you mean when saying there are "better ones".
I would suggest that you consider turning your attitude around. Those same people who you might not care what they think of you are the same people who are your resource into finding better tools and how to properly use them.
It's a no. There are plenty of people and resources who don't get all judgmental over someone who dares to mention MBTI, so I'd rather choose someone more open minded who can admit that MBTI is and has been good for some things.
Why not reach out to your local university's psychology department - I bet there would be at least one individual there excited to discuss your interest in these tools and they could probably even provide (FREE) advice to help you be more effective what you do use the inventory for.
Uh, no. You mistook me again for someone I'm not. I'm a "casual", I don't seek to actively pursue the whole thing. It's not even that interesting. It's just a thing that has been part of my life for a few years, and I've been casually reading about it, and discussed online whenever I find the mood. Also, I don't really go out. Nor talk to people in real life. Not my thing at all.
The situation with Trump... well, he hates illegal immigrants, some other people hate illegal immigrants, do the math.
because such interactions more frequently provide more heat than light from the friction of true intellectual examination.
But I like heat. Drama and bs is fun to watch. But I realize you're a xxTJ of some sort probably, so you don't have to understand the Ne-pleasures. :P
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Personally, I am more familiar with the MMPI. But because it is an inventory that also measures psychological disorders, it is not one that would be commonly used in public settings. It obviously isn't a tool that would be used in such a casual and fun way to learn about oneself. Unfortunately, many of the other 'better' inventories are not well suited to public non-psychological arenas. That is to say, those tools do not translate well for 'casual' use most of the time.
The MBTI is ok... in a casual sense. But it is not a good scientific tool. I hope you understand the difference.
I have seen attitudes from within and outside of psychology not like the MBTI for a few reasons. The scientific examples you are aware of already. But for those outside of psychology - they do not like the idea and feel insulted by those who chose to 'label' them by the tool's results. That is a kind of relational insult - to put people in a box based on the results of a test - it is a failing of our capability as humans to be able to learn and develop relationships with people. Only the un-quantifiable and and rich facets of personality can be observed in relationship. In another way of looking at it - the test results and labeling are indicative of our 'microwave' style of modern life. It is quick, sloppy, un-elegent and for the impatient. Thus, the reasoning for non-psychological professionals disdain for the (over)use of the MBTI.
Ah. well, since you admit to being a casual. Cool. The only thing I would suggest is that as you discuss the MBTI with others - just always try to include a little 'tongue-in-cheek' reminder to take the results 'with a grain of salt'.
Yeah, Y'know, you seem like the kind of introvert / individual that I could enjoy many discussions with. That is a rare thing, I think anymore because people are usually so quick to be have a fast response and not give thought to concepts. Oh well, no such way yet on the interwebs to share a cup of coffee / tea and mull over such intellectual things in comfort.
Ugh... Trump is a narcissistic sociopath bully. Unfortunately, a personality like that incites more haters than the usual ones that be around doing the normal thing... and that kind of inflammatory stuff along with group think is a bad bad thing.
Eh, I can nod my approval to your comment about enjoying drama occasionally. ;-P Personally, I have tested as the xxTJ you assume, but also as xxFP, xxFJ and even xxFP. So, I am confused too ... again, the test didn't give reliable results and people rarely do respond the same way - even day to day. Some days, I do get excited about stirring up drama. Some days I just wanna hide from it. I have even out of both morbid jerk-ishness and intellectual curiosity caused flame wars... but then again, after a while that looses entertainment value because trolls are just too dang easy to provoke sometimes. And for every bit of me that wants to whisper 'Pssst, your ignorance is showing. You might want to be quiet' ... I know that those kind of people are not likely (very unfortunately) to give any thought or examination to why they do what they do and to respond in such an ugly way. Oh well <sigh>....
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Yeah, Y'know, you seem like the kind of introvert / individual that I could enjoy many discussions with. That is a rare thing, I think anymore because people are usually so quick to be have a fast response and not give thought to concepts. Oh well, no such way yet on the interwebs to share a cup of coffee / tea and mull over such intellectual things in comfort.
Oh, I thought you disliked MBTI-plebs. Guess not. Which makes me think you're xNTJ, they're a little more open minded than xSTJs. But yeah, let's hope this game will get multiplayer support sometime.
Obviously everyone isn't the same in all their moods and different days, but there's usually slight preference, and I realize the people within one type can't be all 100% same. But it gives some kind of rough estimate about what they're like, anyway. And I find that useful.
Did you take the test I provided in first post though? Just wondering what result will that give you.
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Did I take the test? Nope. I am one of those open-minded pleebs that doesn't like to be labeled and doesn't like to label others.
Oh joy... more 'simulator' games.... I am quickly outgrowing the irony of this fad. I would prefer and honest virtual gathering place than something like this. But the problem is that someone is gonna have to clean up the trash and empty tea cups and coffee mugs... plus, they will probably demand tips for their service too...
And not everyone being the same type all the time... heh, my reality as I joke is that I frequently do not wake up as myself. (long story) I have good days and I have bad days and this is one of them.
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I don't get what you mean... if the tests are so bad at labeling people, why are you so much against it "because you don't like to be labeled"? It should be okay to take it, if it's just for entertainment and giggles. Doesn't take long anyway, and it's fun.
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This test is designed for public that doesn't need/have expertise in psychological area. And it is clearly as accurate as possible can be for this short amount of time you spend in it. You need to realize that public doesn't want or have time for hours long evaluations. The test is trying to contain something that is useful for normal person and doesn't make their head explode by learning psychological things they won't necessary need for determining the personality. Ofc I believe there are more than just 16 personalities, it is far more complex than that, but this is a test for categorizing (test with nitpicking 1000 personalities wouldn't make sense to take). Besides the thing you are asking is not possible here or in any similar test. You are asking for life long testing of every aspect of the subject to determine who he/she is or was (Impossible thing to do). And then evaluate it by as many experts as you can to avoid possibilities of error.
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The MBTI was developed in the early 60s. It was based on Jung's rather vague and loosely conceived - or more aptly put: proto-thought - regarding personality from the early part of last century about 100 years ago. In the decades initially after it was created and up until the 90s, it was used as a tool by psychology. So, contrary to your point, it was used by professionals in the field of psychology for quite a while.
It was during the 90s that it gained popularity within so called business professionals circles and self-help speakers. At that point it was utilized by the general public, human resource directors and others who had no real grounding in psychology. These such 'quick analysis' of personalities were part of many unlawful business hiring, management and termination of employees. Only those in the science side of psychology really were paying attention when such incidents were in the news or in legal proceedings. That was the starting point of the review and thus labeling the MBTI as non-scientific and unreliable.
There are many other inventories available at this time that are far more reliable and valid in measuring aspects of individuals personalities. They take just as much time, or even less than the standard full length version of the MBTI tool. It is just because of the recent popularity of the tool that it is the preferred go-to instead of others by most non-psychologists. This is an unfortunate example of group think and people not paying attention to the changes and updates of psychology as a science.
Since this is a 'casual' arena for the discussion of the MBTI, it is OK to accept it as a fallible tool and use it for fun. It is OK to do introspection and examine who we are as people. But do be aware, that your thinking that there are NOT other scientifically valid and reliable inventories available is also incorrect. I encourage you to do further research into the matter. As it is, in the field of psychology, the MBTI is now considered a passing fad. It's strengths, weaknesses and lessons learned from it's im/proper use in society have given scientists valuable insight and they are and have been developing better tools since then.
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I actually don't need further research since it is not that important to me, at least not on this level. Same as I would say to you that you need to do further research about other things than psychology. It doesn't matter if it is obsolete here, you're not responsible here for information you get, it's up to others to believe or do the research on their own, because this isn't any academic forum for psychological studies (I mean look at some other discussions here). So here are no proper rules or guidelines for presenting any information no matter if it is reliable or not.
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So, I'm quite a fan of MBTI. Some of you may know what it is, but others: it's a pretty widely used personality test.
You can take the test here.
Statistics. I know we have some rare types here. ;)
What's your type? Did the description match? Do you find it cool?
Obligatory gibway.
INTP
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