What do you think about the new changes?
Comparing to the overkill it developed to in the recent ones it's certainly a step in the right direction to keep it an reasonable amount, depending how much task the developer adds then but for a developer to add some more steps is kinda fair i think, they are the ones who give the keys to you.
But every change should be better than 30 steps with like 20 groups in it :)
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I was a fan of the very earliest gleam.io giveaways-
(10, 15) actions, and you could pick any (5, 8).
Relatively few total actions, and with control over what sort of activities you engaged in.
Good, consumer-friendly approach.
The current developers/publishers can justify their spam approach as much as they want- and yes, it's their right- but it's still dickish in nature, as it has recently been presented.
Especially with the 'unlock more actions' element. If you're forcing them to do every single activity listed anyway, the only purpose of that is to try and get them invested before slamming them with especially annoying tasks.
And why aren't tasks more often sorted by type? Why are they so often scattered apart?
In other words, whether or not you have a right to an action or not, doesn't automatically excuse you from not presenting that action in a dignified, professional, or respectful way.
Or, put another way: Just because you can present yourself in a sloppy manner, doesn't mean you oughtn't dress things up nicely instead.
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Wow, Mille...
I should have written it to them but I really think that if there are less actions, there are more chances you will actually pay attention to what you are doing and you're more likely to help.
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Wow, Mille!!! You have the power to convince people to make gleam giveaways with only 5 actions!!! You might be some kind of goddess!!!
I thought the rest of the text could be easily deduced, sorry!
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Well, it all depends on the concept of goddess we're using, but having unexplainable powers is always a good start! By the way, I've already been called goddess a couple times as well! But being a male human being, being called a goddess doesn't really imply I might have any goddess like traits...
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"One thing you should understand before you complain about giveaways is that there will always be developers of the games that want their actions inside,"
But when there are more actions people will not care about any of the links. With just a few actions there is a greater possibility that people will recognize the content for a certain link or action(I guess).
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It's a simple principal of mentality, you take someones car but you dont want to thank the former owner of the car, of course there will be jokes made of my words, but it's serious you should consider the fact that developers give you a game for free and that you complain about the developers but still you grabbed a steam key. Of course not all people can relate with this as most people help the developers and leave them a like OR they pass the giveaway peacefully.
LOL - free my arse, else the key would be plain in sight,once requested. Besides that bub who wrote it doesn't
seem to understand, that ones paying with attention and time and in most gleam-ga's receiving for the
attention/time spent, some trash that doesn't derve it, but still might lure you 4 profitz.
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You may want to rewrite that, it's not entirely clear what you mean.
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I... I think he tried to say that in some way the actions make the key not free and that some games are so bad they don't deserve the attention from the actions. English is not their strong point obviously... If that is what he means... Clearly he needs to work on more than just his English :P
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Well, in that case maybe reading what's being given away first would help him.
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I share a different point of view ... and you're just incapable/unwilling to see it.
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How is that not clear, unless you're too much of a simpleton - if you offer something in return for something, its not free, its in return for something (no matter how small or insignificant it might appear). Being asked to be thankful in addition, is rather audacious considering, most of the trash + tasks you had to fulfill for it in return.
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So if you win a game here it wasn't actually free because you had to move your mouse and click on things?
But nice that you call people "simpletons" or "incapable/unwilling to see it"
I can really see people queuing up now to gift you something ...
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If i'd care about that, i wouldn't be posting this plainly - nor am i interested
in most ga's (here), as others might want to play the games for real.
And no need to be surprised - when you stab first, prepare to get stabbed next bub.
"Well, in that case maybe reading what's being given away first would help him."
"English is not their strong point obviously... If that is what he means...
Clearly he needs to work on more than just his English :P"
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Well, if you had inclined to read you would have seen that when we said you weren't clea, it meant your English was fragmented and very difficult to understand. As I can tell from your sudden impulse to use big words, throw insults, and bold phrases to try and make what you say seem more important, it would seem I touched upon a nerve needlessly. For that I am sorry, I did not realize this topic was something you were so... Passionate about.
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Quite certain that i did. Although its not on purpose how ... i'd take that as a compliment - i'll try to make it more "American" next time.
I did not realize this topic was something you were so... Passionate about.
Oh you, that is some quality stabbing again, right there. :-D
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Yea. That two minutes that I spent to complete the last one took away from my masturbation time.
If your time is that valuable that you're going to whine about a couple of minutes then just ignore the giveaways and move on. No one goes to the store and buys me a lottery ticket that I most likely won't even win anything with and then brings it to me. I still have to work for it and going to the store takes way more time than entering for these giveaways and with the lottery a win isn't even a sure thing but I and millions of other people still enter them anyway. Do I cry to the lottery people about how much time I spent getting the tickets when I lose? No. I have never heard a winner do it either. Your logic is flawed.
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You pay for your lottery ticket with money, nobody expects you to be thankful for it. The case withe these "giveaways" despite their labels "giveaway+free", isn't much different, as you pay with your with your actions no matter how small and insignificant they may seem to you. Your chain of thoughts is too simple, that is why you can't relate.
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And your train of thought is way more complex than it needs to be for something that you get for free. You've spent way more of your valuable time replying to me than it takes to enter one of those giveaways. What does your train of thought say about that? Am I supposed to feel special now because of how much time we have spent interacting on this subject?
I won't waste any more of your time as I don't want to receive a bill for it.
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You are comparing things that don't go hand in hand ... course i have - that is my opinion I'm sharing because i feel like it.
What is there to gain here anyway - but information and thoughts, of other peoples opinions in open discussion.
The thought of chain i was addressing (among of what i already put to words).
We're literally feeding a potential monster of many:
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It's hard to keep a monster fed when you remove the food before he can take a bite out of it.
And if the game is "bad/unworthy" in your opinion then don't enter the giveaways for them. No one is holding a gun to your head and other people might want one for themselves.
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It's hard to keep a monster fed when you remove the food before he can take a bite out of it.
I know that is why i listed: "every members attitude and behavior is different - some insta-unjoin,
others never read anything, some just don't care"
Have you seen how big some of those groups grow? Even if only 3% pay attention in one way or another a 3% of 100k users are 3000 people - now imagine having their attention for something you could advertise and benefit in one way or another (which they clearly aim to do - else, they wouldn't be sponsoring anything (not every single one of those - but certainly most).
And if the game is "bad/unworthy" in your opinion then don't enter the giveaways for them. No one is holding a gun to your head and other people might want one for themselves.
But freedom of profitz² muh, but don't expect me to be peaceful thankful lol. ²(+1 & cards if avail)
Now that you thought about it yourself, as you listed
counter arguments ... it isn't that simple after all is it?
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The case withe these "giveaways" despite their labels "giveaway+free", isn't much different, as you pay with your with your actions no matter how small and insignificant they may seem to you.
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but don't expect me to be peaceful thankful
How hard is that to understand? Go and pester someone else yeah :-D not exactly interested in a debate that is none.
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1st obligatory action: "Win a free Payday 2 key!"
Which involves doing more actions :/
Edit: No thanks
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Didn't realize that. :)
Seems unfair though. To them, not me.
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Hmm.. they just want you to check it out I suppose. If you don't want to do them, you shouldn't. No one is forcing you. And it's just a way to promote their other stuff.
I don't really think it's unfair. Like e.g. I already own Payday 2, and I don't want to be forced to do actions I don't want to. So I won't. I clicked on the link they wanted, and that's it.
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No, I meant it seemed unfair that just clicking the link works as a valid action. I expected you'd have to enter the Payday2 GA as well for it to count towards the Unknown Battle gleam GA
But maybe I'm just misunderstanding how it works
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Well, it has always worked like that. Same with Facebook links and YouTube. You don't need to press like or subscribe for the action to be valid.
But nah, I think you are just misunderstanding how it works. It would be insane if they would expect or you HAD to enter that giveaway as well. I would boycott it for sure if that was how it worked.
It looks more like a "Hey, we have other promotions too! Maybe you would get lucky?" or something like that. :]
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A sane amount is clearly better, especially as I did not have the impression that many actions were actually for (or benefiting) the dev. Instead tons of pointless group to join with different names but from and for the same purpose. And those then spam with other nonsense, esp annoying with 'event' notifications.
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I did the first actions for the Payday 2 GA now and had a look at how many more groups you're supposed to join.
I definitely got a "duck" vibe from it so I stopped.
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For sure less actions are better less daunting when you go to the gleam page see 5 things to do not like 12 then that opens more, maybe not use stuff like twitter or Instagram unless they are good info not just a random post they want you to see.
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Oh yeah true! Forgot about that. I never liked that either. The last one I posted had the Duck's group in it, and I refuse to join his groups, so I had to rely on a friend to tell me what actions there were since I couldn't verify myself due to the fact you pointed out.
I can imagine people who don't use Instagram freaked out when seeing that action after they had to do the first 2-5 actions.
The admin is probably reading these replies as we speak, so maybe he will take those into consideration as well! :)
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Won't make a shite of difference if the devs can still spambomb the giveaways.
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Hmm.. Well, I can understand it can be sort of annoying to see the same games being free over and over.
But the developers just want recognition, attention etc. Plus there will always be someone who missed the first, second or third giveaway. But within a short amount of time, I can see what you mean!
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I don't mean the giveaways themselves, I mean the tasks on the giveaways.
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It's not the joining of groups that irritates me, it's the fact that nearly all those groups mostly try to feed us with the same spam sandwiches as similar groups. I wish it was possible to mute notifications on a per group basis to prevent notifications from x group popping up or from cluttering up my activity feed, but alas I don't think it's possible.
<rant> Take DH or Original, they have tons of groups (why I have no clue) & pretty much all of them are the exact same thing, but with a different name (ooh shiny). Please join our cat society (but what if I don't like cats or prefer dogs more?). Please join our CSGO gambling group / site (there's millions of them & I don't even play CSGO). </rant>
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^^ Yeah, I know perfectly what you mean. I agree with everything you wrote. :)
Would be great if Valve could change that up a bit. Like you said choose which group to mute those pop-up notifications from, or even like divide the activity feed. E.g. so you could choose to read your friends' posts etc, and another with the groups' posts and game's posts (like when you click follow on a store page for a game).
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People "pay" for these games in annoyance of advertising, and if it costs too much annoyance some of people aren't gonna "buy" it.
I don't they were close to that point yet. Those many action gleam key ga's lost me, but I left most groups and unsubscribed from everything that I did to get the key, and then just farmed the game for keys. I don't know if they lost the people who actually stayed and participated in the stuff they did for gleam keys, but I'm guessing not.
I'm happy about this, but that advertising never worked on me, I never stayed in the groups and instead just leeched the keys, so I don't know if getting me back is good or bad.
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The changes are welcome but makes no big difference to me.
If I see there are too many actions I won't bother, if the game has no cards (99% of those games crap) I won't bother, when I click a link I don't even let the page load, when I must follow/join something I unfollow/leave immediately.
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Did anyone notice that the admin for REX is banned on steamgifts?
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Link: https://gleam.io/kdKUr/unknown-battle-giveaway-rex
Amount: 10.000 keys
Actions: 5
Requires to answer a question, 1 link to click and 3 groups to join!
Note: The admin for REX is asking for feedback to the new changes described in the giveaway link above! Feel free to answer below and/or write him an email at dbphdevelopment@gmail.com :)!
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