I really would like to own a set of these stamps.
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reminder that pigZ never change:
How Ukraine's Holodomor Famine Was Secretly Photographed
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NEXTA on Twitter: "On Solovyov's program, they started talking about the withdrawal of troops from #Ukraine, because "the army has fulfilled its task". / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515412789698912266
Seems like a sudden change of direction for Russia....
'Broken Arrow' Incident Possible as Russian Flagship Sinks Into the Black Sea
https://www.westernjournal.com/broken-arrow-incident-possible-russian-flagship-sinks-black-sea/
These may be distant causes.
Russia's remaining fleet is small and could be crippled by drone strikes, for example.
Sea supplies of supplies and ammunition to Ukraine would increase, but Russia would not be able to stop this easily.
Russia appears to be scheduling May 9, Russia's Victory(?) Day, with the intention of reporting victory.
For now, the only thing Russia can report to the Russian public is Mariupol, which continues to be a quagmire with Ukrainian citizens starving, under fire, and unable to escape. :(
The Russians claim that the Ukrainian soldiers have either been wiped out or surrendered.
The Ukrainian side has stated that it will not negotiate a ceasefire if it cannot ensure the safety of its soldiers.
There is no element of compensation for the loss of the sinking of Moscow, and Russia will be fighting blindfolded if the war continues without air support, since Russia has no radar support from Moscow, which it had prepared for in the south.
The number of Russian soldiers killed in action may exceed the number of casualties at Mariupol.
I just hope that both sides are "gentlemen" in their treatment of POWs and civilians.
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I think it is funny about Russia wanting to declare a victory on May 9th.
It takes 2 to Tango.
Let's say that Russia takes Donbass
If Ukraine says we keep fighting because we want that territory back than no victory for Russia.
I would still say that time is still on Ukraine's side.
Russia's thinking is weird.
Like at how upset they are when Ukraine attacks them back as if they only hold the right to attack.
Makes me wonder that when Russia wants to quit the war, they expect Ukraine to suddenly just stop too?
Ukraine can keep going for a long time with all the support it gets from the West.
Heli's and Howitzers from the US.
Tanks from the Czechs.
And Slovakia is thinking of sending its MIGs to Ukraine.
Like some experts have said that now its maybe time for Ukraine to go on the offensive a bit, do some attacks on Crimea with the goal of making Russia spread its attention, pushing them to making more errors which Ukraine can then take advantage off.
Sorry for posting some of my ramblings.
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The correct form is to have each opinion freely.
However, it cannot be said that there are no other countries like Russia. And if prolonged, the people of the earth will starve to death.
Because the Belarusian government, a friend of the Russian government, has "potassium".
Think of where they come from....
China will also produce and consume their own.
Germany will also be self-producing and self-destructing.
Jordan has political instability.
Only Canada may be willing to sell its surplus.
At best, they would be willing to supply the U.S.
There is a possibility that after this war is over, they will offset the cost by not letting this kind of fertilizer into Ukraine at a reasonable price, and impose economic crisis and starvation on the country.
I think we have seen something like that in the past in Ukraine's historical timeline.Holodomor?
There are indications that they will try to do it to the entire planet.
By the way, China has been buying food in extraordinary quantities for about 3 years now....
It will be interesting to see if Ukraine will consider the handling of "potassium" at the negotiating table and take into account the concerns of its own country and other countries, and not just "stop fighting.
Whether Russia's eastern and western borders will remain on fire, or whether other countries will join the war, depends on the appropriate response at this time.
Perhaps many earthlings are unaware that they are being "starved"....
It is not funny to think about who is ultimately benefiting the most from this situation.👓
Sorry for posting some of my ramblings.(´>Θ<`)ゝ))
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Kappa I always was curious to know what are you consuming inside so you write like...you? o_O
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(o'Θ'))yup♪
Cucumbers and...and more.🥒😋🍚🍜🍫🍬🍦🥤🍩🧃🍘🧁🍭
Fertilizer for cucumbers is a strategic supply for Kappa.(o'Θ')) 🕳️✨💩✨
There are some things in this world that are better left unknown.
Are there any bad kids out there?
In the old days, people were allowed to eat the livestock walking on the bridge..
|ｮΘ･) 🌉🌉🐮🐴🚸
When there are lots of bad kids, I am full.... Where are they hiding?
I am hiding in an oriental island nation with the most bad kids. You can rest assured.
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There are only a few clarifications.
On fertilizers. Potash fertilizers are made not only in Russia, but also in Belarus. But here is a ban on the purchase of fertilizers. At first there was a ban, but in the new general license on 03/24/2022 (in comparison with the previous one, for 02/24/2022) they were transferred to the category of vital products and goods. And the import ban does not apply to them.
By the way, the European Union and the United States have not officially imposed a ban on the import of Russian mineral fertilizers. However, several major logistics companies refused to transport Russian goods, including fertilizers. The shortage of the latter on the world market arose against the background of a violation of the logistics of supplies from the Russian Federation. And when demand exceeds supply, prices tend to go up.
But it was just the restrictions imposed on imports that destroyed the trade chains. After the introduction of sanctions, traders do not want to buy goods that are "toxic" and look for an alternative to supplies. At this moment, there is a change in the logical supply chains, but at the same time, someone who can sell cannot always sell more than he sells at that moment, it is necessary to expand production, and this is the time.
And if we recall the latest orders on the transit of goods and the restriction of Belarusian and Russian carriers, then the probability of additional batches of fertilizers will not be very high.
The USA buys mainly nitrogen and potash fertilizers – Russian enterprises are among their largest suppliers. It is not possible to quickly find a replacement for them, and fertilizers for the future harvest should be applied.
That's why Russian fertilizers were removed from sanctions.
Belarus accounts for about 20% of the world's exports of potash fertilizers, which are supplied to more than 130 countries.
In June 2021, the European Union imposed sanctions against Belarusian fertilizers with a potassium content of less than 40% and more than 62%. That is, the restrictions do not apply to the main export products of Belaruskali, which are in this range.
However, all products, regardless of their potassium content, have come under US sanctions against Belaruskali. And serious problems with the supply of fertilizers began after Lithuania's decision to stop the transit of Belarusian sub-sanctioned products through its ports.
Is there a chance for Belarusian potash fertilizers to get into the category of vital and thereby be removed from restrictions? It seems that only if the West decides to completely lift all sanctions on the export of fertilizers.
Firstly, neither the European nor the American market is the main one for Belaruskali. Secondly, potash fertilizers are mainly supplied to the USA by companies from Russia and Canada.
And as soon as information appeared in June 2021 that the US and the EU were imposing sanctions on Belarus, Canadian Nutrien Ltd immediately promised to increase fertilizer production by half a million tons. So the USA will not feel the potassium deficiency. At the same time, the German South Harz Potash expressed a desire to meet the needs of Europe in potash.
Most of the article is from here https://neg.by/novosti/otkrytj/ssha-vyveli-iz-pod-sanktsiy-rossiyskie-udobreniya-est-li-takoy-shans-u-belorusskogo-kaliya/
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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61157670
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World faces 'human catastrophe' of hunger in wake of invasion
The world is facing a “human catastrophe” from a food crisis arising from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, World Bank President David Malpass told the BBC.
Malpass warned that record rises in food prices were pushing hundreds of millions of people into poverty.
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Has the World Bank been watching here?ヾﾉ'Θ'o)
However, it would be reason enough to think about expanding the vegetable garden.🥒
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Evacuation corridors to date
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-17-22/h_6e4d835e7e52e43644fdde8fc296f217
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No agreed evacuation routes for civilians on Sunday, Ukraine deputy PM says
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Civilians trapped by the intense fighting in southern and eastern Ukraine had no way of escaping on Sunday after Ukraine was unable to agree evacuation routes with Russia
"We again demand providing the humanitarian corridor to evacuate civilians, especially women and children from Mariupol," Iryna Vereshchuk, Ukrainian deputy prime minister, said on her Telegram channel.
Late Saturday, the Russian Defense Ministry laid down conditions for the surrender on Sunday of the remaining Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol -- an ultimatum rejected by officials in the city.
Serhii Haidai, the head of Luhansk regional military administration, said that people should leave even though there were no official humanitarian corridors.
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Please be sure to read the full text if you are evacuating.
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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29 min ago
"No safe places left." Governor urges evacuation in Luhansk
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The head of the Luhansk Regional Military Administration on Monday urged civilians to evacuate, saying there were "no safe places left" in the eastern Ukrainian region.
"Evacuate now, we can still save you," Serhii Haidai said on Telegram. "Evacuations would be carried out Monday from Popasna, Rubizhne, Hirske, Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, Haidai said, even if no official evacuation routes were agreed with Russian forces.
"We will proceed with evacuation no matter what," he said. "We will take people with us from places we can get to. It is already very difficult to leave Rubizhne, Popasna, Hirske. To date, there are no safe places left in the region."Haidai's comments come after attempts to agree safe evacuation routes for civilians trapped in fighting in southern and eastern Ukraine on Sunday failed, but local officials urged people to leave the area nevertheless.
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Shortly before this decision, a number of Russian Missiles landed. :(
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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26 min ago
'A trap for our defenders': Mariupol adviser accuses Russia of offering false evacuation corridors
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"Realizing that the defenders are not going to give up, the occupiers' plans are clear," Andriushchenko said.
"According to their message, the corridor for safe exit should have been marked with red flags, but no marks were made," he said. "That once again confirms that they are only preparing a trap for our defenders."CNN cannot independently verify those claims.
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It is getting harder to get correct and readily verifiable information from this area.
Both Ukraine and Russia seem to be in chaos.
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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19 min ago
Civilians in Luhansk urged to evacuate as Russian forces approach
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The head of the Luhansk regional military administration urged civilians on Tuesday to evacuate amid an escalation in fighting and the fall of the town of Kreminna to Russian forces.
"Please, evacuate now! The residents of Kreminna did not make it on time and are now hostages," Serhii Haidai said."Haidai said evacuations would take place even though Russian forces had refused a ceasefire.
Evacuation efforts would focus on the areas of Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, Popasna and Hirske, Haidai said, adding people had volunteered to help despite heavy Russian shelling.
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It is getting harder to get correct and readily verifiable information from this area.
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-20-22/h_fafd4be9328efbf29fda683232e65b66
3 min ago
Humanitarian corridor agreed for Mariupol today, Ukraine deputy PM says
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A humanitarian corridor had been agreed on with Russia for the evacuation of women, children and the elderly from the besieged city of Mariupol, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said.
"Given the catastrophic humanitarian situation in Mariupol, it is in this direction that we will focus our efforts today," she said on Telegram.
"We managed to agree in advance on a humanitarian corridor for women, children and the elderly. Gathering in Mariupol today, April 20, from 14:00 [2:00 p.m. local] on the corner of Taganrog Street and 130th Taganrog Division."(excerpt)
Possible emergency changes to the evacuation corridor have also been suggested.
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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59 min ago
Mariupol mayor calls on residents to evacuate
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Evacuation would begin at 2 p.m. local time (7 a.m. ET) at a designated central meeting point, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boichenko said in a statement released by the city council. Additional boarding locations would be available near the Azovstal steel factory — a bastion of Ukrainian military defense — and a shopping mall.
The evacuation column, he said, would proceed west from Mariupol toward the Russian-held city of Berdiansk and then onward through the Ukrainian-held city of Zaporizhzhia via Tokmak.
“Dear people of Mariupol, during these long and incredibly difficult days you survived in inhumane conditions," he said. "You were in an information vacuum without access to any information. You may have heard different things. But I want you to know the main thing — they are waiting for you in Zaporizhzhia. It's safe there."(excerpt)
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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15:48
In pictures: More on the evacuation from MariupolAs we've been reporting, people have reportedly started to leave Mariupol through humanitarian corridors to Zaporizhzhia, in south-eastern Ukraine.
Here are some pictures of the evacuation from Reuters reporters.
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Go to the URL to see images of the evacuation.
Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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3 hr 41 min ago
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Mariupol evacuation corridor "did not work as planned," Ukrainian deputy prime minister says
Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said an evacuation corridor from the besieged city of Mariupol "did not work as planned" Wednesday, providing few details but promising to resume efforts Thursday.
"Due to the lack of control over their own military on the ground, the occupiers were unable to ensure a proper ceasefire. Also, due to the inherent disorganization and negligence, the occupiers were unable to provide timely transportation of people to the point where dozens of our buses and ambulances were waiting," she said. (excerpt)
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-20-22/h_385120fa0e725749189f326dcd8ad545
41 min ago
Top Ukrainian officials ready to head to Mariupol to negotiate evacuation of civilians and soldiers
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Two top Ukrainian officials are ready to head to the besieged city of Mariupol to negotiate the evacuation of soldiers and civilians trapped in the city, Captain Svyatoslav Palamar of Ukraine's Azov Regiment said on Wednesday in a video statement.
The two officials are Ukrainian Parliamentary Majority Leader David Arakhamia and Mykhailo Podolyak, advisor to the President’s Chief of Staff.
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Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
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Photos of Irpin
More photos of Irpin
Mariupol, before and after
So much for denazification.
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UN official says ‘food is being used as a weapon of war’ in Russia-Ukraine conflict | The Hill
https://thehill.com/news/sunday-talk-shows/3271102-un-official-says-food-is-being-used-as-a-weapon-of-war/
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David Beasley, the executive director of the United Nations World Food Programme, on Sunday said “food is being used as a weapon of war” in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
“We’ve seen food depots that have been blown away, I’ve seen places where there’s nothing in these warehouses but food, and that’s not even in Mariupol. And so there is no question food is being used as a weapon of war in many different ways here,” Beasley told moderator Margaret Brennan on CBS’s “Face the Nation” when asked about Russian President Vladimir Putin using starvation as a weapon.
Asked if he is confident that the World Food Programme can keep food supply lines open, Beasley said “no, I’m not.”
He said the group is unable to reach Mariupol, the city currently under siege by Russia.
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Be sure to check back for the most up-to-date information.
To me, it feels like a deliberate act of starvation on the part of the Russians. :(
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well, it's not the first time, Stalin did that too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
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The famine in the USSR (1932-1933) was a mass famine that swept in 1932-1933 vast territories of the USSR (mainly steppe regions) that were part of the Ukrainian SSR, the Russian SFSR (including the Kazakh ASSR, the regions of the Central Chernozem region, the North Caucasus, the Urals, the Volga Region, the Southern Urals, Western Siberia).
This is the first inaccuracy of Wikipedia.
The second inaccuracy is the country of Ukraine. In 1932, this country did not exist, but the Ukrainian SSR (Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic) was part of the USSR.
The third inaccuracy is that the hunger was intensified. If the purchases of grain in Persia and Manchuria, taking into account the decrease in exports and the redemption of grain that was pledged, then yes, in this way the famine was intensified. And so the reasons are not only in this. Don't blame everything on one.
In 1928, Kosior (Kosior, Stanislav Vikentievich) became the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CP (b)U, a kind of Stalin of the Ukrainian scale. He moves from Moscow to Kharkov and directs not only Ukrainization, but also industrialization on the spot. That was the time of the construction of the KhTZ and Dneproges, new city blocks and roads. Russian Russian theater was allowed to open in Kharkov, for example, and university workers stopped being harassed for lectures in Russian, while collectivization and forced grain procurement led the Ukrainian village to a catastrophe, now called the Holodomor.
Read more: https://ukraina.ru/history/20191118/1025705221.html
The truth is not written on Wikipedia, there it is politically correct at the right moment, although it may not be the same or with unsaid facts that can change the situation.
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yeah, i definitely trust a russian, when he says Wikipedia is lying
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Everyone decides this for himself, but there is such a science - history, although it is usually written by the winners as it is profitable for them.
But there was no state of Ukraine in 1932, the anniversary
of January 9 (22), 1918 IV Universal of the Central Rada — the declaration of independence of the Ukrainian People's Republic
October 19, 1918 Declaration of Independence of the West Ukrainian People's Republic
January 22, 1919 Act of unification of UNR and ZUNR
March 10 , 1919 The Third All—Ukrainian Congress of Soviets - proclamation of the Ukrainian SSR
December 30, 1922 Treaty on the Formation of the USSR — the entry of the Ukrainian SSR into the USSR
July 16, 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine
August 24, 1991 Act of Declaration of Independence of Ukraine
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Where do you see inaccuracy? The famine in the USSR as a whole has a separate article. It doesn't mean that Holodomor is somehow justified by the fact that other territories suffered too. Ukraine has some of the most productive soils in the world. The Great Famine was much more intensified by the fact that people worked in the fields to grow crops and still suffered from man-made famine as if they were not worthy to eat.
It's just that if you single out only the Ukrainian SSR, then it's like highlighting pogroms only of Jews from Lviv, and not all of them. It went to all the republics, not just one Ukrainian SSR. And at the same moment it began to be discovered in 1985, although if they began to debunk the cult of Stalin, then why didn't they do it in 1958, when Khrushchev came.
And? The article says Soviet Ukraine. Where is your "inaccuracy"?
The very beginning. Paragraph 2. That Ukraine was the largest grain producer. As well as what Stalin planned in order to eliminate the independence movement. The Pole Stanislav Vikentievich is more guilty here, but there was no one to change for.
"Joseph Stalin, Vyacheslav Molotov, Lazar Kaganovich, Stanislav Kosior, Pavel Postyshev, Mendel Khatayevich, Vlas Chubar and other Bolshevik leaders responsible."
Here, at least, they no longer began to hang everything on one, and they did not forget to enter the main one.
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There is also a separate article for Kazakh famine of 1930–1933. I don't know how people perceive that famine in Russia, but Holodomor was something that was not "discovered in 1985" in Ukraine. I know about it not from Wikipedia but from my grandparents and other relatives. My great-grandmother lived long enough to tell the stories "first-hand", and she was illiterate to "read about it". Eating frogs and a soup from leaves in the best days. And she worked in the fields all her life.
There was a famine in the USSR, and not only in the republics, it's just not necessary to single out one republic and not think about the others. They perceive the famine of 1931-1932 as a tragedy, but not only as their own tragedy, but also the tragedy of those whom it touched. There is no division here, here it is a tragedy of the peoples of the USSR. https://spb.tsargrad.tv/articles/golod-1932-1933-godov-kak-tragedija-narodov-sssr-stala-instrumentom-rusofobskoj-propagandy_173646
https://regnum.ru/news/3359168.html
And so it was a struggle against collectivization.
I am not sure why do you think Ukrainians cannot single out the tragedy of their ancestors. Russians can do the same.
The Jews of Lviv are more important than the Jews of Warsaw.
"Ukraine was one of the largest grain producing states in the USSR". Again, I am not sure why you left that part.
There was no Ukraine. There was a Ukrainian SSR. In a simple designation, yes, they could say Ukraine, but if officially, then only the Ukrainian SSR. As well as the fight against independence. There was a struggle with the peasantry.
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It is the Russian perception that they are “the USSR successors” that makes them talk about some kind of Russophobia instead of learning and acknowledging what others think about their own history.
Let's say thank you to Poroshenko for this. It was he who began to turn the flywheel.
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2017/11/25/prezident-ukrainy-trebuet-pokayaniya-rossii-za-golodomor
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So, formally speaking, Russia could repent in the name of the USSR. Still, I wouldn’t demand something like that. A simple act of acknowledging Holodomor would be sufficient, in my opinion.
ГОСУДАРСТВЕННАЯ ДУМА ФЕДЕРАЛЬНОГО СОБРАНИЯ РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ ПЯТОГО СОЗЫВА
ПОСТАНОВЛЕНИЕ от 2 апреля 2008 г. N 262-5 ГД
О ЗАЯВЛЕНИИ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОЙ ДУМЫ ФЕДЕРАЛЬНОГО СОБРАНИЯ РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ
"ПАМЯТИ ЖЕРТВ ГОЛОДА 30-Х ГОДОВ НА ТЕРРИТОРИИ СССР"
THE STATE DUMA FEDERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FIFTH CONVOCATION
RESOLUTION from April 2 , 2008 N 262-5 GD
ABOUT THE STATEMENT OF THE STATE DUMA FEDERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
"IN MEMORY OF THE VICTIMS OF THE FAMINE OF THE 30S ON THE TERRITORY OF THE USSR"
And it was, only someone wanted more, after that historians began to dig harder and then such facts were extracted that some of the statements had to be cut, although I really didn't want to.
https://stalinism.ru/kollektivizatsiya/taynyi-goloda-30-h.html
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Да не всё так просто. Вот на какую группу и было самое большое воздействие, так это на крестьянство, причём на почти всё крестьянство. Коллективизация, вот против чего и был голодный бунт. После раскулачивание, хотя часть были не кулаками, а середняками, которые просто пахали от зари до зари. Но части было завидно и пошли доносы.
И Индустриализация нужна. Тут не так надо было делать, это признают все, но в тот же момент делать было надо. И Руководителем страны в тот момент был не Сталин. Председатель совета народных комиссаров был Молотов, а Сталин только с 1941 года. А вот за то, что вешают всех собак, то это спасибо Хрущёву.
Хотя Коллективизация тоже нужна, тут можно посмотреть на артели, могут сделать куда больше, чем одиночка.
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https://chehonin.livejournal.com/1759929.html
https://masterok.livejournal.com/7856246.html
Sometimes it's not a warehouse, but a little bit different.
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So, when russians shot from living quarters of Donetsk an Luhansk to provoke answer from ukrainian Army - it was evil ukrainians killing civilians. And now when russians destroy living quarters because ukrainian army was there - it's again evil ukrainians set up civilians under fire? Even if ukrainians didn't shot first? How dumb one need to be to believe in this bullshit?
Guess what - if YOU didn't invade our country - nobody would have died, and nothing would have been destroyed. So, even if in some cases it's "friendly fire" - it's still YOUR fault. There is NO excuses for starting a war, and it was Russia who started it. And only total jerk would advocate war.
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if YOU didn't invade our country - nobody would have died, and nothing would have been destroyed.
THIS. This is what baffles me the most even in people who are hell bent on trying to show some kind of "moral high ground" by staying neutral. This is an absolute violation of Ukraine as sovereign country. And it has nothing to to do with middle east or Africa where US, EU and RUS have been equally waging wars for decades.
This is where stuff had to be dealt with diplomacy. Instead Putin decided to absolutely ruin lives of Ukrainians and Russians alike. How many people have needlessly died on both sides for the ambitions of one demented psychopath who had to be thrown in the gutter once he came out of KGB... Anyone not being against Putin and this horrible war needs a reality check on what is going on.
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So, when russians shot from living quarters of Donetsk an Luhansk to provoke answer from ukrainian Army - it was evil ukrainians killing civilians. And now when russians destroy living quarters because ukrainian army was there - it's again evil ukrainians set up civilians under fire? Even if ukrainians didn't shot first? How dumb one need to be to believe in this bullshit?
There is nothing to say about the fact that it has become a military object, and so if the troops are standing among the houses and residents are not allowed to leave, then why are they not put under fire? No, it's not shooting, it's the air conditioners exploding. So Gunpowder (Poroshenko) said, you need to believe him.
Guess what - if YOU didn't invade our country - nobody would have died, and nothing would have been destroyed. So, even if in some cases it's "friendly fire" - it's still YOUR fault. There is NO excuses for starting a war, and it was Russia who started it.
No, the dead should be counted from 2014, not from 2022. We don't forget about 8 years. And why shoot at your own, if you know for sure that there are your own, unless you want to kill your own, together with civilians, knowing that it will be possible to blame others and the war will write everything off. And in 2014, Russia was not in Ukraine, just everyone wanted her to come in, but a fig was shown, popcorn was taken and they began to see what would happen.
And only total jerk would advocate war.
Anyone normal is against war.
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And in 2014, Russia was not in Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War#2014_Russian_annexation_of_Crimea
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No, the dead should be counted from 2014, not from 2022. We don't forget about 8 years.
Totally agree, they should be counted since 2014. And all of them are dead because of russian actions. All of them would be still alive if Russia haven't had imperialist ambitions. That's a solid fact.
And in 2014, Russia was not in Ukraine
Officially - no. In reality - it was russians firearms, russian vehicles, a lot of russian "consultants". And yes, some ukrainian criminals (who were also paid by russia). That's a solid fact. Another fact is that Russia invaded and annexed crimea, there were even medals given for that in russia, only an idiot will say there were no Russia in Ukraine.
Anyone normal is against war.
And yet you keep advocating it.
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Totally agree, they should be counted since 2014. And all of them are dead because of russian actions. All of them would be still alive if Russia haven't had imperialist ambitions. That's a solid fact.
Aidar, Azov, Dnipro, Donbass are they from Russia, and they were shooting.
Officially - no. In reality - it was russians firearms, russian vehicles, a lot of russian "consultants". And yes, some ukrainian criminals (who were also paid by russia). That's a solid fact.
Weapons in the form of BMP-1 or T-72 tank, as well as Kalashnikov-74. If you say that you ran with an AK-100, then I want to see it. I will even give you money, and many will give you money, but it will be necessary to run with the AK-100. Put it on your shoulder and run and run 100 meters. And one more condition, besides 100 meters, 1 person must do it. And since these weapons were made in the USSR, and due to the fact that the Ukrainian SSR was on the border with Turkey, then naturally good weapons were supplied to military districts, and after the collapse of the USSR, not all weapons were withdrawn.
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Aidar, Azov, Dnipro, Donbass are they from Russia, and they were shooting.
They were shooting because russians shot first. If russians did not attack Ukraine - nothing would happen. Let that sink in.
Weapons in the form of BMP-1 or T-72 tank, as well as Kalashnikov-74.
What are you trying to prove by this? Yes, it was provided by Russia. And more than that. You are trying to pretend that you are even dumber than you actually are, and don't know where this all came from? Maybe Crimea was annexed by itself too?
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They were shooting because russians shot first. If russians did not attack Ukraine - nothing would happen. Let that sink in.
Yes, they didn't shoot, it was the air conditioners that exploded.
What are you trying to prove by this? Yes, it was provided by Russia. And more than that. You are trying to pretend that you are even dumber than you actually are, and don't know where this all came from? Maybe Crimea was annexed by itself too?
BMP-1 was produced from 1966 to 1983.
T-72 from 1973 to 2005.
There was no Russia at that moment. There was the RSFSR. Don't show your exclusivity, although it won't help anymore.
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So. you would rather post more bullshit, than admit that you are wrong. I'm not surprised at all.
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Ukrainian attacked the center of Moscow:
https://octagon.media/novosti/v_centre_moskvy_razmestili_izdevatelskuyu_parodiyu_na_skulpturu_rodina_mat_.html
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The article comes from an organization funded by the United States government. RFERL.org
With the pro-Trumps, these "leading scholars of historical fascism and authoritarian regimes" already have a lot of work to do.
-> Unite the Right rally
-> 2021 United States Capitol attack
How many pro-Trumps helped write the article ? I wouldn't trust a pro-Trump to lecture on the history of fascism.
My opinion is that some pro-Putin elites are really fascist.
a bonus: Donald Trump just can't stop praising Vladimir Putin
Donald Trump praises the "smart" Putin. Maybe Putin is one of Trump's "fine people". Who knows.
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Well, maybe no pro-Trump was involved. But I keep my opinion: some pro-Putin elites are really fascist.
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If putin is "simulating" a fascist regime, I bet his victims don't have the option to simulate.
You can google "Hitler small dick", which shows many articles about his "infirmity".
Hitler never believed his bullshit about the superior race. It would have been a mistake for a Nazi state to be ruled by a cripple. Even he, one might say, "simulated" a fascist regime.
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"Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Is Putin's Russia fascist? It might not tick all the boxes, but it surely does tick quite some of them. Things also evolve with the times. The 'New Right' or 'Alt Right' doesn't share all the traits with what came before, but... well time will tell. I don't think banning 'social media' and limiting how you can report about the 'special military operation' is the end of the line (much more just the start of it), but I don't know for sure so we all have to wait what happens next.
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The 'funny' thing about it is that when you look at Germany and Italy in the 1930s you wouldn't think that it would turn that bad over time. What I mean is that there are stages and when you haven't reached the final one yet, you wouldn't define it for what it actually is. I refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Paxton#Fascism as a source.
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Yes, Right now it is 'okay' to say that Putin's Russia is not fascist. He's past the Weimar period for sure. All I'm saying is that he's 'close enough' for everyone to be very careful/afraid of where this journey goes next. For all the 'Americans did it first' people: America is heading that way too. They are just not as far into the rabbt hole... yet.
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Next to come for children. Marasmus in schools switched to a new level.
Now it will be every morning to raise the flag and sing the anthem. Learn the history of Russia from the first grade. Judging by the screenshot immediately about the war. Previously, Putin was studied only in grade 10.
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lenta.ru
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I'm interested in what's behind current events too - most of the rhetoric just isn't helpful. It's a good article, but I wish that it would substantiate its claims with factual examples. The Weimar analogy seems flimsy and superficial, but that "mafia state" quote along with the assertion that Putin just isn't charismatic enough to lead a fascist regime really caught my attention and inspired further research.
I think these articles do really make a case for that viewpoint.
here
and here
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Here's another video about living in the east of Ukraine right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqbxlPUg4g0
Since this is CNN, here's something less problematic: https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/it-wont-be-easy-to-bring-moscow-to-book-over-the-ukraine-invasion-7873704/
Something from the NYT about the southeast of Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODU_QasrkcQ
Propaganda? There is no propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N04aLpZ0SJ8
Russian being very happy and wanting to stay in Russia. Or is she? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFL8YXp_Reo
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Hundreds of Bucha massacre victims buried in mass grave (video safe for work)
the size of that thing! and that is only for bucha with about 37 000 inhabitants in 2021.
i'm gonna say it: if i were ukrainian i would not be taking any prisoners. everybody dies.
that's the only language these creatureZ understand.
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Putin has awarded a honorary title of ‘Guards’ to the 64th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade, which committed the mass killings of civilians in Bucha, Kyiv Region.
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Azovstal plant is reportedly destroyed by heavy bombing (probably, by bunker buster bombs). At least 1,000 civilians were hiding there alongside soldiers. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/19/the-assault-on-azovstal
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-20-22/h_44a7da32ad598fa1cca73fea4fe55e1e
57 min ago
Ukrainian commander requests international evacuation effort at Mariupol plant as situation is "critical"
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61157670
3:22
Russia issues fresh ultimatum to Ukrainian troops in Mariupol - report
Hmm...
The attack was halted at 14:00 on the 20th, and the surrender was again recommended.
I see that the BBC side is riding on the Russian claim such as
On the CNN side, a local commander on the Ukraine side on Tuesday suggested the presence of about 500 wounded soldiers and several hundred displaced civilians.
Other countries and the UN seem to be calling for an Easter ceasefire, but it remains unclear.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/SajnZ1T
Regarding the evacuation of Mariupol .
It has been exactly 2h 30 minutes since the evacuation started.
There may be local information on Twitter and SNS.
Now we can only hope that no civilians will be killed in the evacuation corridor that Russia and Ukraine have agreed upon.
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The Sun is probably not the most honest newspaper, but I like its analysis of Putin's mental state.
PARANOID VLAD How key Putin allies have died, been jailed and suffered mystery ‘heart attacks’ as he fights off Palace coup
MAD, VLAD AND BAD Warmongering Putin showing signs of psychosis and hearing ‘voices inside his head’ after lockdown, expert claims
Poor Putin XD
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Actually it's a well-known info that he loves long 10m+ tables for close meetings
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Accent identification request: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaC8l16AHxM
Andrew (starting at 2:35) seems to be Australian or from New Zealand if I'm not mistaken. Just watched the video and wondered about it. Maybe a native speaker can confirm.
Some pretty balanced reporting on cluster bombs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTk4Q4Nm5CA
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Milburn was born in Hong Kong, the son of a British father and American mother who sent him to boarding school in England, where he later studied philosophy and law in college. Milburn always had envisioned the law as his future.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/02/25/mogadishu-to-mosul-a-look-into-a-marine-special-operations-commanders-three-decade-journey/
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one of the articles about him mentioned his former Australian girlfriend, maybe she had an impact on his accent or all the other stations in his eventful life, because i think his accent is quite different
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Might be the mix of both the Hong Kong and the Australian accents. Haven't heard this accent until I watched the video and was curious where he might have picked it up. This seems to explain it.
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📝Past Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Coverage
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-20-22/h_1b28258703f0b7c24f7e6373489d45ad
Communication has been restored with the Chernobyl nuclear power station, the IAEA says
(excerpt)
“This was clearly not a sustainable situation, and it is very good news that the regulator can now contact the plant directly when it needs to,” Grossi said in the statement.
(excerpt)
Update 57 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine | IAEA
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-57-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine
Information about other nuclear power plants in Ukraine is also included.
The report is long, so if you are interested, please check there.
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https://cs14.pikabu.ru/video/2022/04/20/1650435866240488465_1280x720.webm
how fun it was for them to fire at the defenseless
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Because he is getting me the famous stamps at the post office.
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Ну у нас не было призыва, а будет так куда я денусь. Туда и так добровольцев хватает пока.
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Ну тебя же так волнует тема дамбаса (резко заинтересовала, за эти 8 лет впервые)
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8 лет пытались договориться , но ваш президент не хочет договариваться. Он будет воевать до последнего украинца , как и сказали представители запада.
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А ничего что 9 лет назад все было хорошо, пока рашка не начала воду мутить?
И сравни блин фотографии Донецка, который якобы 8 лет бомбят украинские военные, и фотографии Мариуполя, который чуть меньше двух месяцев "освобождают" русские солдаты. Опомнись!
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Я не хочу вступать в полемику объяснять что да почему. Потому что тут на стимгифте есть модератор нацист, который банит русских.
А так если интересно то выше я скидывал видео с тем же скотом риттером, который это всё объясняет.
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Дружище, я живу в Украине, и я наверное получше тебя знаю как здесь дела идут. И про нацистов, и про ваши перевороты в лднр... Не надо мне ссать в глаза и говорить что дождь идет
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Отхватили кусок страны и пытались договориться чтоб отхватить ещё один? Может это не наш президент не хочет договариваться, а ваш охуел?
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How about you actually answer his question instead of deflecting,eh?Unless,of course,you are afraid of the consequences of your answer.
How long is the sentence for "ignoring" the coffinization summons in 404 these days?
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Won't even dignify this 3-grade insult attempt with a proper answer.
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Jokes on you then,since you've given me the answer I expected from you anyway.
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Why should he answer it to random stranger in the internet?
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Funny how almost every message you guys write is filled with hate and insults. Shows real class. As for the "bombings", here's a comparison for you. https://twitter.com/DMokryk/status/1516844995369656321
ruzzia in less than 2 months has destroyed a peaceful city, full of russian-speaking Ukrainians.
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So you'd rather deflect & project than take responsibility for your own BS.
Coward.
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когда ВСУ отходили они обстреливали всё подряд. Ладно объясню тебе... есть всякие международные права и прочие международные конвенции по которым нельзя бомбить мирных, но если в доме или рядом с домом есть враг, то бомбить можно. Да даже представь что в центре двора стоит техника, в него прилетает снаряд... конечно все здания вокруг получат ущерб.
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Бомбы тоже самолетами сбрасывали? Самолетами, которые якобы все были уничтожены в начале войны?
И сами, отходя, уничтожили 95% домов в Марике?
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да от одного снаряда града во двор все стёкла вокруг вылетят
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Речь не о просто вылетевших стеклах, речь о тупо уничтоженных зданиях, где может осталась одна стена из 4
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я тебе уже писал.... что по закону стрелять в мирный дом нельзя. Но вот если туда залезли враги или у здания стоит танк, то по зданию стрелять можно.
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В 95% домов или дворов Марика были ЗСУ, и поэтому туда сбрасывали бомбы русские самолетыц? Или это ЗСУ сами рзрушили целый город? Тут надо определиться со стулом.
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Vatnik go fight for your KGB lying sсum for Donbass
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Riiiight, totally credible channel with a neo-swastika as a profile pic.
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Конечно, мой народ и мои города уничтожает руzzкая армия, бомбит по всей территории по жилым домам, больницам, школам и вокзалам, но фашист здесь конечно же я.
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ну если ваши войска сидят в школах и детских садочках, то по каким объектам стрелять?
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Где фото или видео войск из роддома? Где фото или видео войск на возкзале? Там были сплошные мирняки, но вам же похер, вы стреляете туда где больнее.
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есть видио и я скидывал сюда, где та девушка с род дома говорит что стреляли ВСУ, но ты этого не знаешь ты находишься в информационном вакууме.
Да на вокзале... чем там стреляли??? точкой-у , которая стоит на вооружении ВСУ. И только итальянское ТВ показало номер этой ракеты. А номер этой ракеты близок к тем что прилетали на Донбасс.
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Ага, после накачки пропагандой народ в Марике вообще думал что Киев сдался, им такую херню крутили по радио. Кто поверил - конечно будет дальше рассказывать.
Но ладно, ты мне вот скажи, а чего это раньше, пока рашка к нам не пришла нас спасать, украинские войска не обстреливали украинский народ? Ну вот просто расскажи логику. Нахера нам убивать десятки тысяч людей, чтобы (по словам вашего телека) "создавать фейки"?
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ну а почему "азов" не выпускают людей с подвалов... что бы были жертвы, что бы создать ту пропаганду "плохой России". А отношение к народу такое потому что на референдуме они поддерживали Россию. (Ну это я так думаю)
А обстрелы были ещё в 2014 году... когда люди свой майдан устроили на востоке, так по ним с самолётов огонь вели.
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Нет, ты ответь все же, не надо съезжать на другие темы. Зачем Украине "бомбить самой себя"?
И вдогонку, ты же в курсе, что все страны, где россия проводила свои "спецоперации", резко начинали "сами себя бомбить", как только русские солдаты приходили на их территорию?
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Ну а зачем взрывают мосты... и другую инфраструктуру. Когда ВСУ отступает они понимают что это уже не их территория вот и обстреливают.
Я не знаю почему они отказываться от своего народа, это тебе лучше спросить своего президента.
А про какие другие спец операции ты говоришь??
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Ты снова не отвечаешь на вопрос. Ваш телек говорит, что это исключительно Украина сама себя обстреливает. Уже десятки тысяч людей погибло. С какой целью мы могли бы это делать? Вот чего мы добились бы? Убивать сами себя, чтобы сделать сотни видео и фотографий, и для чего???
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это спроси у зеленского, я могу только предполагать.... всякие бучи и вокзал были для создания плохого имиджа у России.... какая конечная цель? может что бы нато их спасло... может просто что бы денег дали(что собственно и происходит)
Но украинцам уже мало кто верит.
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Ну так предположи. Мне интересно.
Бучи и вокзалы потихоньку подкрепляются спутниковыми доказательствами. Всё будет открыто со временем.
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так я выше написал , что зеля понимает что ему крышка и ему нужна помощь, но кроме денег и оружия он ничего не получит.
Даже если вспомнить те два случая, то после них выписывали всё больше и больше вооружения.
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Особенно смешно, что про вокзал писали про-русские паблики примерно за 20 минут до ракетного удара. Причем писали, что это "бравые русские военные уничтожили сборище укропов". А потом удалили, но интернет же всё помнит.
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нет... писали об ударах по жд .... а цель ударов по жд это уничтожить пути.
А вот точка-у она рассчитана на поражение живой силы а не на уничтожение путей.
Тут всё просто... наши гораздо раньше сообщили об этих ударах , а не за 20минут. Вот ВСУ и решило устроить провокацию.
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Дада, конечно, это ведь так быстро - подкатить технику, навестить, и выстрелить. Но если тебе интересна хронология, можешь посмотреть вот это видео например, там отличное расследование. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kMN2NnNo_o
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Если лень смотреть все видео, то вот четкий таймкод, видно что за 5 минут до удара ракетой Риа Новости запостили статьбю об ударе Краматорского вокзала точкой У, якобы Украиной https://youtu.be/5kMN2NnNo_o?t=228
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этот блогер дружок навального..., но я посмотрел видео и там нету доказательств вообще никаких.
https://pikabu.ru/story/kramatorsk_sovpadeniya_ne_dumayu_9006984
А так , я думаю по номеру легко отследят где этот снаряд прибывал, да и сторону откуда стреляли тоже.
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ладно, раз посты официальных сми, заявление главнокомандующего, и массовые посты в про-российских пабликах для тебя - "не доказательства", тогда что ж. Тут даже если будет видео полета от начала до конца, ты наверное скажешь что это "фейк", и нарисовали на компьютере.
По номеру как раз нет - схожесть номеров не означает что ракеты были рядом. Номер, так же "схожий" на номер упавшей ракеты, был замечен в Сирии. Там ЗСУ точно нет.
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Про Бучу стараются не очень говорить. Просто есть такие специалисты, которые могут очень многое сказать по фото. Причём эти специалисты совсем не солдаты и есть в каждой стране. Это патологоанатом.
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Поэтому хорошо, что Украина пригласила сотни специалистов, от журналистов до патологоанатомов, чтобы обследовать все тела из Бучи. Правда будет открыта, и против нее нельзя будет идти.
Но русским невдомек, что если бы Украина сделала бы это сама, то ни в коем случае не стала бы звать сотни журналистов и следователей, чтобы детально рассматривать каждую крупинку.
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Так если не скажут, что тело лежало минимум 20 дней на улице, то тут уже одно новостное агентство врёт. И это The New York Times,
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Was it almost too peaceful here while RedDisco is banned, so you decided to take over his job meanwhile?
And if your secondary agenda is to exchange insults in Russian, why not look for a platform where Russian is the primary language?
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where do you get the idea that I'm insulting someone here?
we're just making small talk
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for my aponent this is not an insult .... he sees fascism in the letter Z
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fascism means for you to save the civilian population, feed it, treat it (the same attitude towards soldiers)
you, as a resident of Germany, should know perfectly well what fascism is ...
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And so should Russians, as they lost most lives fighting against fascism. But as I said when I commented the linked video, it seems most of you wouldn't even register what is happening in your country if Z would be replaced by actual swastikas.
And if you deny that the video shows 100% exactly what someone would expect from a fascist organization, I really don't see the point in keeping this debate running.
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yeah right, it's almost like a relay of a russian propaganda bot farm, everytime one gets banned another one pops up with this propaganda BS
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you can tell the real battle for the east of ukraine is about to start very soon since the ruSStard bots started spamming again to dilute everything with propaganda bullshit and putler tv fake news.
now isn't that convenient? almost like putler gave the order himself.
what? i thought i heard something...
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What compels you to cheerlead for globalists constructing their own version of a "Soviet Union"? What makes Ukraine something worth arguing over the internet for? Ukraine is a corrupt puppet state that was filled with western funded biolabs. Neither the virtue signalers on the internet or the leadership of the failed country itself care whether it's people live or die.
Hopefully one day it will dawn on you how foolish you seem.
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What compels you to believe the lies of your russian propaganda? Why don't you want to try and see the other side?
Hopefully one day it will dawn on you how foolish you seem.
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I don't see anything in his comment that's worth being open-minded about. Yes, Ukraine has a huge problem with corruption. So has most of Eastern Europe.
Everything else was just him showing zero empathy and claiming that everyone else would be the same.
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Hard to stay open minded when ruzzia's outlets and officials are openly calling Ukraine and it's citizens "pests", "nazis", claim we are bombing ourselves, and in general are saying that the whole country was a mistake and everyone here needs to be either re-educated to ruzzia's standards, or eradicated.
Hard to believe when ruzzia says they only strike with high-precision ammo, and only the military outposts and soldiers/tech, and then proceed to drop "stupid" pobms indicrtiminately onto our peaceful cities. They have bombed a food storage close to Kyiv, then blamed it on us when it leaked. They shot a rocket to Lviv, which is furthest aweay from Russia, killed about 8 people and mutilated a 3 year old boy's hand.
So excuse me if I'm having trouble believing ANYTHING that comes from russia's side.
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Americans have a lot of reasons to be angry at Ukraine right now. As far as your banning threats go I don't see why you can't tolerate another opinion.
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he tolerates your opinion as much as you tolerate his. so whats your Problem?
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You can champion another user saying "propaganda bullshit and putler tv fake news ruSStard bots" saying "Why don't you want to try and see the other side?" as if I'm not bombarded with the correct opinion already. Then your best comeback is parroting? You really are a 15 year old aren't you?
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when you see lavrov and russian state tv lying to everybody for 100 times this year alone and on the 101st time you are still surprised to get served a lie...that problem is on you.
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You still repeat nonsense such as the biolabs claim and seriously complain about parroting?
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The labs are real, all Russian claims about what is happening there are not.
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Sounds like backpedaling to me. So you're ok with USA funded biolabs in Ukraine then? You don't see any problem with that at all? This isn't unsettling news after it came out that the USA had funded what happened in Wuhan and how long the denial game was played before the truth came out?
I don't see any reason to believe USA has good intentions, not that this information holds any weight at all with you.
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Oh boy, one conspiracy after another. At least you've shown why there was indeed no good reason to remain "open-minded" about your input.
Anyways, there is no backpedaling as supported labs exist pretty much all over the world. That doesn't turn them into centers where bioweapons are researched with sinister intentions. But sure, think whatever your want. It's not like one could still achieve anything by arguing with your kind.
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I'm sure they appreciate you looking the other way when it comes to crimes against humanity.
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Don't worry, I'm paying attention to the crime against humanity that runs by the name QAnon. I guess you're pretty familiar with these people, as you repeated multiple of their "theories".
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Hey how much do they pay you shills to dogpile dissenting opinions? I'm looking to get into a new racket and I can baselessly defame others without refuting anything pretty well.
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It's not a baseless defamation when it's on point. And every theory or claim of yours so far, is shared by QAnon too. So you might not be QAnon but your content is. Sorry if you had no idea that you share utter bs.
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You confirmed what I said was true earlier, then your trying to equate universally known knowledge with anonymous internet spectres.
Hey look, I'm sorry your subscription to CNN+ is coming to an end. You don't have to take it out on me.
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Rofl, I confirmed that the labs exist. But that was already confirmed by the factcheck I linked before that.
So I don't know why you think that you had a "gotcha" experience here, just because I presented a simplified summary as the topic obviously was too complex for you.
Cheers weirdo. Have fun figuring out what we globalists plan next.
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You talk about being open minded then you label any topic you disagree with as Anon. You're a clown.
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Sometimes it looks as if there are refugees wandering from within Russia now with questions about Russia and no idea of "censorship" measures.
As I wrote once before, this discussion was made "before the war started".
As such, it also talks about "matters of concern before the war (regarding Russia's dubious censorship)".
You may want to look around using the methods of lifting Russian censorship as described in them.
If you only look at the Russian press and throw around words that are understood by those around you as "lapsed statements" based solely on what has been published recently, you will be told that you are like a BOT.
The fact-check media list is also posted at the top, but you will not see anything about matters that are inconvenient for Russia.
In such cases, the right thing to do is to watch the exchange in silence.
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Oh that damn USA. Controlled by lizard people and wanting to establish the new world order by transforming animals into bio weapons.
Good thing there or such upstanding pro rus citizens like you.
I don't know where we would be without treasure like you.
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before the truth came out?
This "truth" - is it in the room with us right now?
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Do you live in Ukraine? Then no, you don't have a proper full picture of what's happening here.
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well not everybody shares your twisted world view.
i certainly don't.
and since you created your own running gag i'll gladly do the copy&paste:
Hopefully one day it will dawn on you how foolish you seem.
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When Putin threatens to use nukes, your response is to kiss his boots. When so many Ukrainians are victims of Putin's war, you choose to defend his dictator ass.
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Only Trump with Putin together fight this anti-globalist fascism lol
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What makes Ukraine something worth arguing over the internet for?
They are being invaded isn't anything to talk about?
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Interesting interviews about the war in Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dmy16fInUE
What Russians read and hear about the 'special military operation': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGB-l0An4zs
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Someone from Kiev talkng about his life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAJ6NaUmK9E
Some background about the Z sign: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L77Qg53Rjw
And some western propaganda to top it all of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ZUDMmcyFY
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Evacuations to date
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/dQF2mME
Mariupol mayor: Evacuations from Azovstal plant not possible Thursday as there is no stable ceasefire
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-21-22/h_ff9441ee57f7ad0e334324758e97a30c
9 hr 3 min ago
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"Unfortunately, many residents made a decision to remain in the town because they thought it will be dangerous and their life will be threatened," he said.(excerpt）
Ukraine successfully evacuated 79 civilians from besieged city of Mariupol on Thursday, regional official says
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-21-22/h_7df4ae1ee294086c6371b69026ef5958
3 hr 38 min ago
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"This time, four buses managed to leave the besieged city in an organized manner. It is much less than agreed, but we still rejoice for every life saved," Kyrylenko said before congratulating all the evacuees who had managed to escape.Evacuation going "very slowly" in Mariupol, Ukraine's deputy prime minister says
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-21-22/h_e32567ff7f5d0dd571f5bfe327b2a4a8
1 hr 47 min ago
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“There is nothing to delight about Mariupol. Everything is going very slowly. On the Russian side, everything is very complicated, chaotic, slow and, of course, dishonest,” she said in a post on Telegram messaging app.
Vereshchuk noted that, for the first time, people went from Mariupol to Zaporizhia directly on Wednesday, and that it gives her “hope.”(excerpt）
Please be sure to check the latest information.
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28 min ago
What we know about the situation in Mariupol
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_a85512a9152d4da8d24e34fcf4fb6ea3
26 min ago
No evacuation corridors are open Friday, Ukraine deputy Prime minister says
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_3194464aedf56dfb16e54efa82a4c534
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No evacuation corridors in Ukraine have been agreed with the Russians due to "danger on the routes," Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said Friday.
Ukrainian officials have appealed for the Russians to guarantee safe passage for civilians, particularly those trapped in the besieged city of Mariupol.
(excerpt）
Please be sure to check the latest information.
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2 hr 24 min ago
"One clear day of cease fire" is needed to evacuate civilians from Mariupol plant, mayor tells CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_616f792bce07dac5b0662b37819525bf
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The Mayor of the Ukrainian city of Mariupol has told CNN that "one clear day of cease fire" is needed to evacuate civilians sheltering in the Azovstal iron and steel plant.
Hundreds of soldiers and civilians are believed to be hunkered down in the huge industrial complex that has become the final bastion of Ukrainian defenders in the city.
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22 min ago
European Council president "strongly urged" for immediate Mariupol humanitarian access in call with Putin
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_318521573737305679206f5872bd70d1
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Firmly reiterated the EU’s position: support for #Ukraine and her sovereignty, condemnation and sanctions for Russia’s aggression.Our unity, principles and values are inviolable. pic.twitter.com/GxzylOpuwN
— Charles Michel (@CharlesMichel) April 22, 2022
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Some context: World leaders have accused Russia of carrying out war crimes for weeks. There have been mass graves and murdered civilians found in Bucha and outside of Mariupol. The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor called Ukraine a "crime scene," following the ICC formally opening an investigation into the situation in Ukraine on March 2. And just today, London’s Metropolitan Police said it has received around 50 referrals of alleged war crimes in Ukraine, as it collates evidence to assist the ICC with its ongoing investigation.
Responding to a call by Michel for direct contact between Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Putin "reaffirmed the well-known position on this matter, noting that such a possibility depends, in particular, on concrete results in the ongoing negotiations between Russian and Ukrainian representatives, during which the Ukrainian side is showing inconsistency and is not ready to seek mutually acceptable solutions."The Kremlin also reiterated unfounded claims that the leadership of "most" EU countries "indulge" in Russophobia, "which manifests itself, for example, in the cultural, humanitarian and sports fields."
Please be sure to check the latest information.
[Reality and some bullshit]
Recently, since the talk of CNN+ being discontinued after a month, I feel that CNN has fewer and fewer articles that have been confirmed on the ground.
Eventually they may switch to BBC or Reuters articles.
I hope the truth is not swept away by false money.
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22 min ago
Evacuation bus from eastern Ukrainian city of Popasna came under fire, Ukrainian authorities say
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_1d26b6e26bc7964ebacb662bbf4cd7f5
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According to Haidai, no one was injured and the passengers are now safe.
Please be sure to check the latest information.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-22-22/h_7fc571c409022c94512735109b560455
23 min ago
"I feel emptiness": Ukrainians who escaped Mariupol describe fear and despair as they arrive in Lviv
Out of tens of thousands of people, only 79 were able to evacuate.
It is quite long and includes images. It would be better if you read the source directly.
Please be sure to check the latest information.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-23-22/h_85ee3ca2850fa9dff4c218431de51b0b
46 min ago
Evacuation attempt from Mariupol planned for Saturday, Ukrainian official says
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An evacuation column from the besieged southeastern city of Mariupol is planned for Saturday, according to Petro Andriushchenko, adviser to the Mariupol mayor.
"Today at 11:00 am (local), the evacuation of Mariupol residents to Zaporizhzhia will begin from the 'Port City' shopping mall," he said on Telegram. "Departure of the column is scheduled at 12:00 on the route: Mariupol-Manhush-Berdiansk-Tokmak-Orikhiv-Zaporizhzhia."(excerpt）
Please be sure to check the latest information.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-23-22/h_4aa5516d2acd2f2d26e138c709fbf2e3
42 min ago
Mariupol evacuations to resume Saturday, Ukraine official says, warning of Russian trap corridors
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Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk announced an evacuation corridor on Saturday from the besieged city of Mariupol, following a brief halt earlier because of security concerns.
"We are starting to gather around Port City shopping centre. If everything goes to plan the evacuations will commence at midday," Vereshchuk said in a statement on Telegram.She warned, however, that Russian troops might open a “parallel corridor” for taking residents into Russian-controlled territories instead. She urged residents to be vigilant and “not to follow any deceit and provocations” by the Russian side.
“Our corridors will take place solely in the following itinerary towards Zaporizhzhia: Manhush, Berdiansk, Tokmak, Orihiv,” Vereshchuk said.
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Please be sure to check the latest information.
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Hi,
This chain of comments is a bit too long. If people want to follow CNN or other news page they can subscribe to their news feed. Even if those are just exerps they are still replies to yourself that take half of the page.
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This is being done in the context of the discussion we had a long time ago about posting the evacuation content sequentially.
In the past, we have had people spam posting about "evacuation information" as well, and we have asked people to avoid replying to these in older posts, so we have hardly received any replies to these.
Frankly, with this discussion posting specification, the best solution is to summarize it above, as the discussion poster did.
I think the concerns you mention are also generally true.
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Memo
Alarm fatigue
Requests related to evacuation information (at that time)
Ukraine Evacuation
2022/3/5 2022/3/7
2022/3/8 2022/3/9-3/10
2022/3/26 2022/3/28
2022/3/29-4/1 2022/3/31-4/2
2022/4/2-4/5 2022/4/6-4/9
2022/4/13-4/16 2022/4/17-20
2022/4/21-4/23
SG Moderator's Notice
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It might be better to have the notes to this discussion from the SG moderators and supporters pinned to the top for you to read.
I have also checked with the SG community about the "handling" of this discussion.
Would you like to add a topic category for the topic of war?
2022/3/10
I had hoped that it would be over in a month or so, but I am very sorry for the current state of Ukraine and Russia.
Would you like to add a topic category for the topic of war?
I would like to think that this is not the case, but considering the number of countries involved in the war in the future, I felt that simply deleting or restricting posts would not solve the problem, so I suggested this as an immediate measure.
Reality seems to be heading toward the "if it doesn't work out" envisioned a month ago.
In the past month, I believe I have found some useful sources for acquiring information.
(Just look at the top of the discussion and you'll generally find what you're looking for.)
Currently, there is simply a dearth of up-to-date information and ways to organize and acquire information.
(I think that includes humanity's desire to see the truth as soon as possible. ......) .
When it comes to organizing, we can divide it into various categories: only Ukraine, only Russia, only evacuation, only victims, etc.
In the case of this discussion, I think the main focus is on Ukraine, which is at war with itself.
Even if possible, no one is making Russia the main focus of the discussion.
Perhaps this is the response of those who calmly and gentlemanly thought that there was a strong concern that "multiple discussions" would start up and turn into a "posting war".
Above all, since this is a gaming community, we assumed that what could happen was that people would check where to donate or take shelter, or be directed to sites dealing with politics or military matters.
In reality, the situation would be that people come to check these things 3 times a day (or more than the number of GA applications) in between their daily routines.
But I went into the game screen. (Into the war game (into such times))
It is difficult.
I am very sorry that the moderators have to browse through "exhausting content" every day.
For example, please avoid "war-related" topics (up to a week after a single emergency/incident) by directing people to other sites that deal with political topics and "human resources". (for up to a week after an incident).
One idea might be to add a guideline such as "Avoid war-related topics" (during emergencies/until a week after the incident) for "human resource" reasons.
Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with foreign sites where political topics can be strongly discussed.
It may be possible to add to the guidelines and deter the total volume of comments by submitting such a proposal and calling for a "vote" through the Discussion Suggestions function.
So far I have not come up with any good ideas. My apologies.
I had hoped that someone would come up with a better proposal than the one I made a month ago, but the reality was grim.😂
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-04-24-22/h_16a5cfd95d907980e74bdbfce554b240
9 hr 40 min ago
Ukrainian official: Evacuation corridor for Mariupol not opened Sunday
Please be sure to check the latest information.
[Notice]
I am taking a break from posting on these matters, partly because two months have passed since the war began.
Information related to evacuation is summarized, but "Means of Gathering Information" is listed at the top of this page with generally credible information.
After two months have passed, we may post again if there is some urgency, such as a local person asking us to spread evacuation information to our friends overseas.
Immediately after the war started, this was an important activity.
But now, everyone will be informed that the local area is in constant need of evacuation.
Now, if someone finds "urgent" information, there is a foundation on which they can post it.
I hope that community members will post any such topics related to Ukraine and Russia.
If any SG users see such information, they will post it.
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I heard a conversation in public transport: wounded civilian Ukrainians brought on a camp site in our neck of the woods, a woman works nurse and complains to the interlocutor that "We cure them, and they do not thank and say that they will kill all Russian soldiers in Ukraine, and then they will come here to kill Russians", and he answered "Give them Cyanide, they are all Nazis".
It's awful. People became such bloodthirsty.
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It's no surprise that kidnapped ukrainians hate russians. It's not because they are nazis, it's because they were kidnapped by russians.
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I can't translate Yastreb's statement very well....🤔
I understand what Ryzhehvost is saying.🙂
I think it is generally correct from those information.
Defence intelligence of Ukraine on Twitter: "#ГУРперехоплення ‼️«Пленных в Попасной приказано убить» ▪️Головне управління розвідки МО України отримало аудіоперехоплення розмови окупантів, в якому йде мова про наказ вбити усіх військовополонених ЗСУ в районі Попасної (Луганська обл.). / Twitter
https://twitter.com/DI_Ukraine/status/1516863387401080833
Russian troops allegedly using rape as "an instrument of war" in Ukraine, say human rights defenders - CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/22/europe/ukraine-sexual-violence-allegations-russia-cmd-intl/index.html
Some say that Russian soldiers received orders to kill prisoners of war.
There are also stories that Russian soldiers shot civilians in the legs so that they could not move and committed dubious acts.
Under these circumstances, it would not be surprising if the affected Ukrainian citizens perceive the Russians as no better than animals.
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Hmmm. I see.
So far, I don't really understand "humanity" and "humanness".
That's what it means..(｡ŏΘŏ) ☣🍄🌏🦠🦟
It's like when you plan to finish your homework during a long vacation, but suddenly the last week arrives.
The only thing that is probably the same is that you feel like that.
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Even if their govenments are at war, people shouldn't act as jerks on a personal level.
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I think you are messing things up here quite a bit.
The thing is - on personal level is where the most war crimes and hate happen. On political level its always fine and good. On political level this isn't even war. Its on the personal level where killing, rape, theft is taking place. Its personal level where opinion of russians and ukrainians develops depending on personal experiences. Its personal level where opinions are biased.
I agree to a point people shouldnt be jerks on personal level and go against the political situation, but we very well know its not how it happens. Most atrocities are committed by individuals who have tasted power and can show hatred (or alternatively do good despite governments position)
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People are as good or as bad as their society allows them to be. I think that WW2 has shown us that the common normal people can do horrible things not out of personal hate or sadistic pleasure, but just because they think it's a right thing to do and everybody around encourages them.
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true.
at the same time personal hate & sadistic pleasure are waiting for you just around the corner when half your family gets killed by the other side and you have nothing left to live for but revenge.
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pretty easy... just read this as a fictional drama story. (like - wag a dog: the bucha)
"Looting" - they took tv, jewerly and food...
sound like a famous tv show - "pimp my ride" or more like "pimp my tank"
looting only may happens from one side: local marauders or ukranian soldiers.
why not russians? - because they receive a good salary (as a soldier).
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G00ba-"logic": Russian soldiers wouldn't rape, because they can afford ...
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Visegrád 24 on Twitter: "Russian soldiers visiting a post office in Belarus to send items looted in Ukraine to Russia. Mostly mobile phones and jewelry." / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510191354927796225
raging545 on Twitter: "VIDEO of Russian soldiers being nothing more than common thieves, stealing humanitarian aid meant for starving Ukrainian civilians in the occupied areas. #Russia #Putin #Ukraine #Putinswar #UkraineUnderAttack #RussianSoldiers " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1516888388376346624
olexander scherba🇺🇦 on Twitter: "Reports of the families of the killed #Russian soldiers having hard time receiving the promised “compensation”. After all, officially many of them were not at a war, but at mil exercises. #StandWithUkraine #PutinLies #putinswar #нетвойне / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510164255890456577
Hmm...👀
Are they not Russian soldiers?
Is he not also a Russian soldier?
Is he not also a family member of a Russian soldier?
Tweets I received regarding incidents in the early days of the war and more recent ones.
It is believed that the time for fact checking has passed.
(That was over 10 days ago; Twitter doesn't tolerate fake tweets.)
Of course you, being a "Righteous Russian", would think that such "war crimes" need to be tried in an ICC.
Why should Russia feed criminals with Russian taxpayer money?
Of course, the rest of humanity, except Russia, is waiting for all the war criminals to come to court.
Think about it and see. Russia will be a better place to live after the war criminals are gone.
Of course will be fine, right?
Those people will be kicked out if it becomes inconvenient for the Russian government.
Recently in Russia, I heard that several millionaire families have died in accidents and important facilities have been involved in fires.
By the way. It is smart for agents and operatives to defect to a third country as soon as possible with a souvenir.
I'm not saying who I'm talking about, but since this is such a discussion, there might be at least one person.
Russian citizens, are you happy?
Russian citizens, happiness is an obligation.👁
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if they loot smthig - they be punished for that. because this is crime.
~20 thugs catched... indeed "Russian soldiers" are bad from all angles ))
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https://youtu.be/DOEbaPJSlN8?t=616
Still being willful ignorant eh?
Another piece of facts that show you really don't know what you are talking about.
But everyone here knew that already.
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Indeed, salary's so good they have to steal everything they can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vyY4rnJ7lA
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