Three and a half minutes of video and endless pride for our citizens! Footage from Dmitrov, Oryol region.
The city escorts its army to the zone of the SVO: they hand the Victory Banner to the guys, all cars honk, residents greet a column of Russian servicemen.
Such support is very necessary and important for our guys!
The common people perfectly understand who the fight is against and which flags are relevant
https://t.me/WarDonbass/56379
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Let's wish these Putin's liberators to reach Ukraine faster! Those who support Putin are welcomed there too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tykv-Ogw6DM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHx2z2Ac1GM
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Ukrainian reporters have already been caught on fake reports when the defeated Ukrainian column was passed off as Russian. Maybe it's the Russians, then they are heroes who fought for the truth
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I fully agree with his conclusions on all points, Ukraine was nurtured with the sole purpose of hatred of Russians.
in Ukraine, since childhood, children have been taught that Russians are not people, that it is easier to kill a Russian than to slam a mosquito. Comparison with Colorado beetle
And what was deleted only confirms that the evidence of the truth scares you
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i hear there are no gays in russia.
yet you seem pretty happy having putins arm up your ass playing you like a propaganda hand puppet.
looks suspiciously gay if you ask me.
shut up already. nobody falls for your bullshit. this has gone way too far already. disgusting!
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What are the pro-Putin zealots aiming for ?
While reading a western media, I found some short quotes from pro-Putin propaganda:
"What should Russia do with Ukraine?" published this week by Russia's state-owned media Ria news agency.
The article argues that Ukraine "is impossible as a nation state" and even its name "apparently cannot be retained"; the Ukrainian nationalist elite "need to be liquidated, its re-education is impossible", argues the writer, Timofei Sergeytsev.
He bases his theory on the baseless claim that Ukraine is a Nazi state, arguing that a significant section of the population is guilty too because they are "passive Nazis", and therefore accomplices. After a Russian victory these people would require re-education lasting at least a generation and it would "inevitably mean de-Ukrainisation".
The pro-Putin zealots are as much fascist as the Nazis. They are building their own bloody legacy.
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why, Ukraine will remain, the Western territories will definitely not join Russia according to the results of the referendum. Most likely there will be a referendum in the Odessa region, Kharkiv, they will join to the Russian Federation
Because it is always necessary to ask the people and hold referendums. And not to jump on the Maidan and decide for everyone . This is the primary source of the current problems of Ukraine
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Now you say "Ukraine will remain". Before, your propaganda said “There is no Ukraine”.
No one cares about Putin's referendums. This war will end when all of Putin's soldiers return to Russia.
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2) posting big blocks of text that are whole articles from a linked website. Can we please have only link to article with most important article snippet? If someone wants to read whole article they will click on the link. It starts to look like copy-paste of various news outlet here and is hard to follow. Sadly there is no auto-hide-long-posts-with-expand functionality on SG.
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He's been spamming a lot, making relevant info go up and up, making it harder to track good information.
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It kind of seems like you censored someone with a different opinion. You could have left it with this warning so no ones gets the wrong idea. Just my two cents.
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Just an edit. I don't think this thread should be here on a gaming website.
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This is a long complicated thread I didn't see that post.
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I did write people should stop to post big blocks of text, and write few posts in a row on the previous page. And they even responded to me.
They can post links to articles they want to share, they can't take whole paragraphs from said articles and copy-paste them here. If people want to read article in Russian they will use google translator.
And political threads were never forbidden on SG. Gay marriage in US, US presidential elections, situation in Syria. As long as people stay civil we don't have anything in the guideline to forbid those. Forums are general space. Not only-gaming-related.
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I didn't see all the posts as this is a large thread. Just sharing what it looked like from a casual read. I hope you didn't take offence at my comment.
I know political thread are allowed. I still don't like them here as it is kind of an escape from that stressful part of life to just see cool games being given to others.
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I didn't see all the posts as this is a large thread. Just sharing what it looked like from a casual read. I hope you didn't take offence at my comment.
None taken. Just wanted to clarify they did surely saw my post, and then went ahead and did what I said should be avoided.
I did write new post with reminded to not post whole articles and multiple-chain replies to make it more visible. If someone follows thread and writes here often they will see it. I do understand people who just lurk in to not check each reply on this 22 pages discussion.
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📝:Would you like to add a topic category for the topic of war?
I made every effort to be a gentleman as much as possible.
I have taken into account the opinions of some people and have also confirmed the will of the people of SG.
The result is that about 20% of the total population is concerned about how to distance themselves from these topics.
And freedom of speech is a priority in the community.
As for the content that is inevitably disgusting, it seems that personal workarounds such as erasing it with Script are being used.
Of course, if you post spam, corpses, or other material that is not allowed by the guidelines, or if you want to slander, libel, or personally attack someone, you will need to discuss it with us via a support ticket.
For your information.
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I have Off Topic unsubscribed with ESGST but it threads from there still shows on the bottom the first screen. I do fully believe in freedom of speech. There are so many places that people talk current events and politics it just seems out of place for me here.
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Sorry to bother you, I need to know if 3ph8ee3ye has some moderator rights.
On one of my old giveaway, 3ph8ee3ye asks this:
Hi, Glorow!
I'm going throuth this thread, searching for gidelines violation in order to report kremlin bots.
Could you edit your post by deleting those images, since guidelines states: Do not post pornography, or explicit content, such as real life images depicting severe injury, gore, or death
Cheers
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And also please refrain to call other users fascists and nazis. RedDisco was suspended for 24 hours by diong it. G00ba was suspended for 2 weeks.
Please edit your current post: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/JIMtEPN
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Everyone has some degree of "policing" the community now, after guideline update 2 years ago:
If you notice a user not following our guidelines, do your best to politely explain our rules with relevant links or quotes to our guidelines when appropriate. If they do not take action or deny any wrongdoing, please submit a user report ticket so we can take action if necessary.
Only users with "Moderator" label next to their name are part of the support team and can issue suspensions. But when user thinks they see something breaking the guidelines - they can poke about it, pointing to specific rule in the guideline. And then write report if they deem necessary.
And yes, posting pictures of dead people is directly breaking SG guidelines, as it's listed under "User content". You should thus remove any such photographs and not post them here. Also calling people nazii breaks site guidelines.
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So when I say "The pro-Putin zealots are as much fascist as the Nazis." is a problem ? When all the propaganda of the pro-Putin is saying that Ukrainians are Nazis. Seriously ?
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One thing is user pointing to what they think breaks the rule. It would also need to be decided by the moderator that it is actual rule violation.
Saying all of the Russian people, or all of the Ukrainians, or all of Germans are nazii is hate speech based on nationality.
If you write that there are nationalist neo-nazi in Azov battalion it will be truth. Same as saying that there are Russian troops that behave like naziii and are conducting war crimes. Or saying that there are right-winged people in Poland, using neo-nazii symbols.
I hope you see what I'm getting at. One thing is naming what specific group of people is doing (aka Putin zealots, Azov batalion with neno-nazi roots etc.) and another is just using derogative names for whole nations. Users to whom I issued suspensions so far call whole nations nazii, say whole nations should die, it's good that whole nations suffer, say that women should be raped as they belong to some group.
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I said that: "The pro-Putin zealots are as much fascist as the Nazis."
First and foremost, I never said that "pro-Putin zealots" were Nazis. I was talking about the level of fascism.
I never said that all Russians were pro-Putin.
When I add "zealots" to "pro-Putin", it's because average pro-Putin people are not fascist like the "pro-Putin zealots".
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I let you think. But if you still want that I remove the photos of Bucha genocide/massacre, I will only put the links.
I come back later.
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This is not what I think about those photos. Only that they directly violate SG guidelines.
You can prefix with NSFW tag content that may be considered NFSW. Photos of dead people, rotting corpses, pornography etc. is NSFW without doubt and thus not allowed.
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I'm far to have checked everything, but I already found one of the photos left by RedDisco.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/9IynGk8
RedDisco is displaying dead corpses, and I'm the only one who should remove his photos ? ( Photos about Bucha genocide )
!!! RedDisco's NSFW !!!
(at the very end)
Steamgifts is mainly about video gaming. How many games are displaying NSFW contents? Hundreds? Thousands?
I'm a bit parano, I'm starting to think that you are a fraud as moderator.
It's weird to tell a moderator that Bucha deads should not be forgotten. These photos will stay in the history books and the media.(not the pro-Putin ones, obviously).
I will only add "NSFW". What you choose to do will remain on your conscience.
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thanks i added tag
By the way, about the Bucha, this fake has already been disassembled by frames to everyone who is not lazy. There is no evidence that the Russian army did it
Fragments of a video showing the Ukrainian military laying out corpses in a Buchа appeared in the media. According to the director's idea, all the corpses should get into the frame. It does not matter that the corpses will be lying on the road in the direction of movement of military equipment, and according to Ukrainian legend, they were there even before the withdrawal of Russian troops. Not a single corpse was crushed by the tracks, they were carefully bypassed by the most maneuverable Russian tanks in the world.
Why was it necessary to videotape the process of preparing the "set"? We will answer. Ukrainian information centers are part of the special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all their employees are military personnel who record their work for reports. Also, their commanders, who coordinate the result, like all big bosses, are often too lazy to go to the filming locations, and approve the work remotely, modern technologies allow you to send videos anywhere. Then they were in such a hurry to send the material to the media that they forwarded all the sources. And in the editorial offices of the media, will they really know what is happening in the frame there. Mounted and issued.
NSFW 18+
https://t.me/WarDonbass/56225
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RedDisco, you spam with the regularity of a bot saying "free stuff, open this link" on an online game.
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because I noticed that you have a circle here on praising each other, mostly fakes and lies. For me, this created an incentive to write
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according to the usual logic, all the corpses with white bandages, as soon as the Russian left, all the pro-Russian civilians were simply destroyed by Ukrainan forces
the West has already asked Zelensky to provide evidence
I haven't saved all the points on this situation. there was also a detailed analysis of geolocation with shadows
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I summon my ultimate truth detector! Vladimir Putin rise from your bunker and enlighten us with your bullshit!
✨ Vladimir Putin says Bucha horrors are "fake". ✨
The same guy who said Ukraine is a Nazi state. The same guy who loves special operation, not war, that's totally different. And now this guy comes out of his bunker to say Bucha horrors are "fake".
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text in russian i translate text to eng thats why post here
But if people here are afraid to find out the truth, there's nothing I can do
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Right now people are afraid of fascists, but thank you for your concern.
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/JIMtEPN
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Oleg Orlow (head of Memorial) has been arrested for the fourth time today: https://twitter.com/OvdInfo/status/1513140055409364992
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Disgusting zombie propaganda, ISIS style https://t.me/KotNaMirotvorze/11748
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I would like to share with you my personal views on the Russian "denazification" argument, used to excuse the Russian aggression.
First off, one thing is obvious. Ukraine does have a problem with right wing extremism. The problem that did end up in some tragic events too.
You can refer to OP comment to find out more on Ukraine nationalism origins.
Secondly, the Russian propaganda is manipulating this facts, shifting the narrative to make people believe that this groups are representative of the whole nation. While facts seem to differ greatly. You can refer to the results of 2019 parliamentary election, where the right wing party failed to pass the 5% election treshold, with just 2.15% of all votes. Doesn't it show that the common folk of Ukraine is far from supporting radical form of nationalism?
Lets take a look at how Volodymyr Zelensky relates to nazism in his official Address on the Day of Victory over Nazism in the Second World War (2020). Is this the address of a neo-nazi state president?
Lets take look on the other side of the conflict now. What is Russia president stance on Ukraine?
In his 21 February address to the naiton he states that that the principles founding USSR were simply wrong, as it gave a level of sovereignty to its states (like Ukraine).
When it comes to the historical destiny of Russia and its peoples, Lenin’s principles of state development were not just a mistake; they were worse than a mistake, as the saying goes. This became patently clear after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991.
It's clear that he denies Ukraine the right of self-determiantion. He seems to look up to tsar empire of Great Russia. By this reasoning he believes, that Ukraine should be just a part of Russia, like it used to be, whether Ukrainians like it or not. I believe this is the true reason behind the aggression. Putin sees the USSR as a failed project (sorry RedDisco). His dream would be to revive the great Russian Empire. This, in fact doesn't stop him from using the soviet terror apparatus obviously.
This idea is further extended by a RIA novosti columnist Тимофей Сергейцев Russian propagandist, did de facto say that the "denazification" is in fact "deukrainization" (and also "deuropeanization"). This is the proper term to describe Russia's true motives.
Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Little Russia and New Russia, begun by the Soviet authorities. [auto translate]
RIA Novosti
To go back to what people of Ukraine really look up too. What they seem to believe is the right direction for their country seems to be connected with the ideas behind Zelensky presidency. I would say it is safe to assume that enormous support (73.22%) shown in 2019 presidential election was widely due to the popular TV show "Servant of the nation". Of course the real presidency vs a comedy show are two different things, but I would argue that the approach presented in the show is what people would expect from their governement. So what approach is it? Is it nationalist? Is it Russophobic? Obviously not. The main ideas that the presidency in this TV show struggles to achieve, are to fight corruption & oligarchs influences. These are the problems that are eponymous of any post-soviet republic. This is what Russia is standing against in fact. Putin hates to see Ukraine cut its ties with Russian-like corruption & also its attempts to join EU.
Putin did speak about corruption in his speech, too. He claimed that:
[...] All this is done under the noble pretext of invigorating efforts against corruption. All right, but where are the results? Corruption is flourishing like never before.
This also seems to hardly checkout in reality - at least according to Corruption index ranks. In 2021 results Ukraine was ranked 122 with score of 32/100 & 144 with score of 26/100 in 2014. This obviously shows a big improvement. Still there is much more to do about corrupcy.
Lets compare it with Russia now. Currently ranked 136, with score of 29/100 & no change in place since 2014 (ranked 136) with score of 27/100. Hardly any improvement & well below the current score of Ukraine.
All in all, I would like to address those advocating this war. Please, start calling things with their proper names. The aim of this "special operation" is not "denazification". It is "deukrainization" & "deuropeization". If this is what you stand for, then please have the decency to to call it as it is.
Edit: I'm sorry for a long post 🥔 Like I've stated before its not copypasta, just my thoughts on this subject
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The aim of this "special operation" is not "denazification". It is "deukrainization" & "deuropeization". If this is what you stand for, then please have the decency to to call it as it is.
For these people to acknowledge the reality is essentially the same as admitting that they are the ones being nazi.
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Basically, that's the truth or close to it.
And horrific fact that this whole plan was preparing for a long time ago. New autocratic laws, repression against opposition, many aggressive things to shut up everyone inside the country, some kind of police state. That's background and preparation for so-called "operation"
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Interesting article about the military leadership in Ukraine and how it changed since 2014.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/08/ukraines-iron-general-zaluzhnyy-00023901
Almost feels like karma that Russia unintentionally trained them on how to defeat Russia.
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How does the logic/reasoning of Putin's fascists and patriots work:
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Russia did not attack Ukraine, but Ukraine must definitely stop defending itself.
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A special operation is not a war, but economic sanctions of the West are a war.
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The war began in order not to start a war.
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Conscripts were not sent to Ukraine, but some of them died there.
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The maternity hospital was bombed because Nazis were sitting there disguised as pregnant women, but it still wasn't bombed by Putin's forces.
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The special operation goes according to plan, the troops do not meet resistance, but in 30 days it turned out only to capture Kherson and surround Mariupol.
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All Ukrainian planes were destroyed by missiles at airfields. But 2 weeks later, Ukraine viciously bombed Belarus and Russian region of Belgorod.
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It is possible to wish death to Ukrainians on Putin's TV, but wishing death to Russian occupiers on Facebook and Instagram is extremism.
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Russian troops are not fighting with civilians, but with the Nazis. With all 40 million Nazis.
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The Ukrainian president said Russia has lost touch with reality, acting as aggressors yet blaming Ukraine for the actions committed by Russian troops, including the killings in Bucha, the missile strike on the train station in Kramatorsk, and "every destroyed city and burnt village."
Russia is well on its way to become a hermit state like North Korea.
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Basically this
If Russian bots are saying whats happening in Ukraine is special ops then they trust this meme. Although since its mostly blacklists does that mean they are at War with Ukraine and are disagreeing with this picture. Seems like alot of confusion on their part.
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If it were a war, Russia would be carpet-bombed like the USА in Iraq
Russia is conducting a special operation to demilitarize the Ukrainian army , with pinpoint strikes
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but Iraq didn't had such a good AA like Ukraine has
and the USA a much better air force than Russia
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I agree, the Iraqi army was betrayed by its own generals. And the cities were razed to the ground , equating everyone to the enemies. Russia , on the contrary , having fewer forces , strikes as accurately as possible only at military facilities . With 150,000 troops, opposed 450,000 ukrainian army that were already planning to attack Donbass and carry out genocide of civilians
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can you guys for once not read in the big russian talebook?
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To clear things up, this is what is being shown on national russian TV. People are openly saying Ukraine is cancer and should be destroyed. Any doubts who the real baddies are?
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1513331072007909379
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funny how it's always old fucks talking about war while the young folks are send in to do the dirty work and die.
all these tv propaganda clowns deserve to be hanging from the trees.
there is no place for russia in the civilized world for decades to come and they know that very well. that's why they are going crazy with propaganda.
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Oh god, there has to be a line..... isn't he crossing the line to getting perma ban ? I mean spamming shit is one thing but now this troll is starting to call for destruction of Ukraine and calling everyone fascists.
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Indeed. At the same time, this is a good example of what this war supporters' true colors are.
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artificially created fascist nation that calls itself Ukrainians
I would say it well exhausts the definition of hate speech
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The cultist of truth are hiring a Misinformation reporter, note job description ...This is a high-profile assignment, as evidenced by the crucial role coverage of false and misleading information has played in big stories like the Ukraine war...The reporter must have at least 5 years of experience...
https://nytimes.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/News/job/New-York-NY/Misinformation-Reporter_REQ-012249
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Sorry to bring this to you, but this is obvious fake site.
I'm not sure what this is about. I guess a try to steal applicants data.
Do you seriously believe this is a real deal? When the main page doesn't work? There is no header, no listing? It is basically a single page that seems to mimc workday.com. It just links to NY times real website to cover it up
If this seems real to you than it really makes me question your ability to judge anything fake xD
Edit: My bad, NYT trolled me 😅
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That's clearly a real site and job listing. Of course you need to read what the role entails, it's reporting ON misinformation. Terrible, terrible job title.
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Haha, ok. You're right, it loads differently in incognito & links back. So, I admit my bad.
Still I'm surprised that NYT uses such a strange unconventional way for their jobs listings. Look very unprofessional.
Regarding the ad itself, like you said there is nothing controversial about, apart from badly formulated job title. Also not very professional 😅
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Russia has defaulted on its foreign debt, S&P says - CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/11/investing/russia-default-sp/index.html
It appears that Russia's economy is coming to an end.
Even China, which supports Russia, seems to be whispering of a real estate-related crisis.
The Russian government claims it will sue. To whom will it be...?
Will they appeal to the sky...or China? do not know.
I hope that these things will contribute to an early end to the state of war.🕊
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Russia said that west took our foreign exchange reserve, take the money from there or take it in rubles, that's all. Absolutely this decision will not affect the Russian economy as a whole. Banks are already allowed to withdraw dollars and euros for 10k on hand
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First, thanks for sharing your perception.
Frankly, I feel that this is the same excuse for unlimited contributions by the Russian government.
On or about April 7, the Russian government took the liberty of changing what should have been paid in dollars to rubles and made the payment.
The Russian ruble is like a "pirated version of currency" in the eyes of the world that can be made with "unlimited contributions" is degraded to credit.
It cannot be used abroad except when shopping with Russia.
For example, when this is applied to payments to ordinary businesses, if you can't switch rubles to dollars or euros, then you can't use them for shopping.
If the main payment is in rubles made with "unlimited contributions", the situation would be more serious as a "currency manipulator".
There is a 30-day grace period with respect to the April 7 improper payment, and there is concern that this could lead to serious consequences in early May.
I am sure Russians are well aware of what their new boss said about the country and the fact that only the stock prices of Russian companies dropped fatally and "Russian state-owned companies" surged when they switched to "unlimited contributions" the day after the Russian Central Bank announcement, as a natural consequence.
The reality is that the government's evil actions to take away what the people had built made the people of Russia, and those who understand things about that to the Russian people were outraged, and many foreigners left the country or tried to defect from Russia.
After the grace period, will the people's assets remain with the people?
Our hearts go to our country, our faith goes to our country, and we are sent to the front lines.
Even if the assets remain, there will be no one left to spend them and no family to support.
Have you seen the reports of wounded soldiers joyfully returning to Russia? Is it any wonder that the only people televised are those whose faces say they will never trust their superiors or their country again?
Sorry, the Russian people were in danger of speaking ill of their country. You can keep your mouth shut in such situations.
Russians outside Russia don't have to keep their mouths shut, because they will probably explain it to you.
📝:Beggar thy neighbour - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggar_thy_neighbour
Other countries may have this perception of those actions.
Russia gov are trying to wage economic war, undermine the credibility of the world's monetary values, increase unemployment, and spread further damage to the world through hunger and poverty.
...It all started with Corona...so you can guess the source of the problem in that area.
It's still not too late if within a month the Russian government will end this situation and switch to normalization. The economy will remain devastated for 4-5 years, but starvation will be avoided.
And if they fail? The Russian Federation will be effectively annexed by its neighbors.
I think it is time for the Russian government to focus on the real culprit that has also ruined the Russian railroads, rather than looking at Ukraine as the enemy.
You always seem to be working for the Russian government.
Shouldn't you tell the Russian government what you need to tell them?
You can just add a few words that you did not make the claim, but that it is a foreigner's statement.
There is no need to force a response.
May things move in the right direction.
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It is unlikely that the economy will be worse than it was in the 90s with the advent of American democracy.
To pay in rubles , we need something like an exchange where foreigners can throw their dollars and euros and get rubles at the exchange rate . Then these dollars and euros should be given the opportunity to buy enterprises at the rate of $ 1000 = 100 rubles . Where on the same exchange they will be able to buy goods from friendly countries for bucks. I don't work for the government.
The fact that patriotic content is not shown on TV, I agree. And what makes you think that the channels are controlled by patriotic forces? There is a struggle going on inside the country, too, and I am sure there will be a turning point in this situation in favor of the patriots. Many actors supported Ukraine and have already left the country , I wish them not to return because people in Russia remember such moments. The people support the army, ordinary people are already coming out along the route of the troops and presenting gifts to the fighters. For them, it means a lot, as in the days of the Great Patriotic War when they did something like this as a gift to an unknown fighter. The fighter knows what he is fighting for and morale increases
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Are these gifts for fighters the reason that Russian soldiers plunder in Ukraine and steal everything they can take with them?
E.g. https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+russia+apple+tracking
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Prisoners from the NSU say that they received an order to shoot to kill anyone, including civilians, during the defense of Rubezhny. That is, they received a criminal order to shoot at citizens of Ukraine who lived in Rubezhnoye.
https://t.me/Ukr_G_M/2145
It's a pity the kindergarten in which this is happening
https://t.me/Ukr_G_M/2160
This video is being played in Ukraine today as proof that Russian soldiers robbed apartments in Irpen. The footage really shows the looting of irpentsev apartments.
BUT!!!! The robbers have dark electrical tape on their hands, and dark electrical tape (blue) is used exclusively by the APU in this war. Russian troops - use only white. And the "body kit" on the soldiers is Ukrainian
It turns out that according to the Ukrainian zombi tv , underdeveloped propagandists are spinning footage of the robbery of Irpen by the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And at the same time, they don't even suspect what they are doing .
However, what can be done - they obviously do not have other frames of looting. and the Ukrainian "prepared people" already does everything.
https://t.me/kedmi/10568
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Nice spam, three different messages in less than 20 minutes. You could have put it all together in one message, but what matters to you is spreading your propaganda.
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and what difference does how many messages make? is it more convenient to discuss each fact separately? or are you only writing to me to write against something?
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No, they\re pointing out thet you an your little friends (those who are not yet banned) are simply spamming this thread in hopes of hiding ruzzia's war crimes below tons and tons of ruzz propaganda bullshit.
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do you confirm the three facts above ? Usually, Ukrainian bots here, if they cannot refute with a link to a foreign cnn bbc website, etc., immediately shout that it is fake. Lol if you shout that it's fake, it won't become fake from this, show proof
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Why would I confirm some crappy points from heavily biased propaganda channels?
Secondly, People did give you tons of links, but your answer to those is always "noo, that's propaganda, and it's not from russia, so it's fake". So it's like talking to a 3-year old, you bend the rules however you need to stay right (in your mind, of course. Everyone else is laughing at you).
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The Ukrainian fighters you pull out of your ass look like criminals, but let's assume they really exist.
Why are these Ukrainians harrassing civilians when they have their sworn enemy, the Putin's brave soldiers, who are coming to exterminate them?
Those Ukrainian fighters have a solid alibi, they are busy helping Putin achieve the world record for "special operation (not war)" duration.
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Can we just ban this russian bot with spamming truthful Putin's "sources" like paRuSSia Today? ^^
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are you afraid that people will find out the truth? What else can be expected from the Ukrainian bot, your government constantly closed channels that did not correspond to the desired line
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Are you talking about Russia? Because there we have a law that prevents anyone to report any alternative interpretation but the official one.
Heck, you even get in trouble for calling it a war. But sure, try your best to complain about the media coverage everywhere else, you clown.
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lol, I can call it whatever i want, I believe that this is a special operation and not a real war between the state and the state
this is my personal opinion. On russian forums , I calmly use the n - word and I can use an avatar with the Z symbol. Because it 's easy and pleasant to tell the truth
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Ah, so you consider yourself media now? Ambitious little bot, haha.
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On Russian forums, you can parrot the state's company line and post symbols that they promote? Revolutionary!
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Did you know that in North Korea people are free to worship their leader, and proudly wear the approved colors? Another miracle, I say ;)
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Hey RedDisco, I was just browsing through the dictionary.com & I've found an interesting definition there:
Facism - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
It made me somehow wonder about Russia. How is free speech doing there? How is opposition & criticism of official agenda doing? Btw. how are your relations with neighbouring countries? Do you still force the idea of Great Russia, like it's XIX century?
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The main problem of Russia is that people don't want to develop critical thinking and believe only those people whose worldview is similar to their. For example, a friend of my father is fighting under a contract in Ukraine and told him that there are no people in Ukraine, only Bandera Negros. Father believes him, because he is an eyewitness, "he is better to know", but the logic suggests me that it is nonsense. In no video or film from Ukraine I didn't see the Bandera Negros. Under Kiev, they shot the series for Russia, I saw only the actors of Slavic appearance in them, one of them makes the video on youtube, he is exactly the Ukrainian, and not a black.
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You said "In no video or film from Ukraine I didn't see the Bandera Negros."
From my understanding, after watching many American movies. When a white-skinned guy uses the word "Negro", the guy is racist.
Behind a keyboard, difficult to know skin color. So, please avoid the word "Negro".
If you're not pro-Putin or racist, don't take the next line for yourself:
You're trying to impersonate an anti-Putin and want to be seen as a racist.
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There are many foreign mercenaries with black skin among Ukrainian nationalists battalions
Foreign instructors have been training nationalists since the 2014
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Putin invokes Nazis to justify his invasion of Ukraine. Isn't it ?
You're quite the expert on fake videos.
Do you have a fake video with black-skinned Nazis committing war crimes ?
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I'm used to using indirect discourse, it seems that in your language you need to quote only in quotation marks. If you want Russian soldiers not to use such words, go up and say to them.
I am Merya. If skin color is important to you, then I feel sorry for you. I don't care if "people have flat concentric nipple rings or cone nipples".
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It's because you replied to someone who gives the definition of fascism. Fascism, among other things, emphasizes racism. So I needed to check.
In Russia, when the pro-Putin want to discredit the pacifists, they join the group and do vandalism. When they want to discredit Ukrainian fighters, they produce fake news and videos.
Things being what they are, I'm always suspicious.
Sorry for my attitude towards you.
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Funny how literally every shade the russobots try to throw on Ukraine, is exactly what's happening at their soil.
Government suppressing free speech? Check
Imprisoning people for saying certain words? Check
Rabid fachism with calls for killing people of another nation (on highest levels!)? Check!
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You can say whatever you want, there is freedom of speech in Russia. The ban is only on outright fakes and lies about the special operation
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Okay. Go to any central square of your town or city, and stand there with a blank sheet of paper. See how long you can stand there before the police comes for ya.
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Thanks for this whole thread. I think it is very important that everyone understands how many crimes Russia has committed. There were other countries before Ukraine and they constantly talk about other countries after Ukraine. The world should isolate Russia, as it is done with criminals in ordinary life.
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Just replace the word Russia with Ukraine in the sentence, you will get the real picture
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Putin ‘purges’ 150 FSB agents in response to Russia’s botched war with Ukraine | News | The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/putin-purges-150-fsb-agents-in-response-to-russias-botched-war-with-ukraine-lf9k6tn6g
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A “Stalinist” mass purge of Russian secret intelligence is under way after more than 100 agents were removed from their jobs and the head of the department responsible for Ukraine was sent to prison.
In a sign of President Putin’s fury over the failures of the invasion, about 150 Federal Security Bureau (FSB) officers have been dismissed, including some who have been arrested.
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There has been a recent purge of Russians who may have been instigating the war between Ukraine and Russia.
Putin may have belatedly learned the truth about Ukraine. ......
It seems to be a practice since the Soviet era that at times like this, if the underlings remain in Russia, they are purged.
I wonder what fate awaits the failed agents.
Given the tragedy in Ukraine, I guess the only way for the agents to redeem themselves is to defect out of the country and live out the rest of their lives. (Perhaps with some classified information as a hand-me-down.)
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Thats was an interesting read. Although it really makes me wonder how Russia given their forces side managed to botch their own plans and resort to war crimes in a last ditch attempt at sending a message. I feel like the west overestimated their military and the only fear of Russia is because of Nukes. Do hope things end and Russia goes home with their tails between their feet. Honestly wondering who would win between Russia and North Korea.
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Because modern army is a corrupted circus, from the lowest conscripts to the highest ranks.
I've read an interesting article some time ago, and I'll include it here should I find it in browser history, but for now I can only give a tldr. Also, be sure to take this with a grain of salt as I may misremember some things.
Russian army was pathetic and corrupted as shit after the 1991. Basically, high ranks and affiliated manufacturers (let's call these groups 'elites') were using it solely for their own profit.
Then, in 2007, Serdyukov became Minister of Defense for the next 5 years. He initiated craptons of reforms for army, and is most known for stealing 15 billions rubles ($500m back then) with his 'attache' Vasilieva.
However, this article I'm referring to claims that Serdyukov's reforms were actual reforms (making army an actual army), the ones that elites didn't like because they were unable to steal as much and have to actually spend money on army. That's why he was fired and the whole 'stealing of 15b' case. After this Shoigu became new Minister of Defense, and since he is also considered an 'elite' (he's been in the government since 1990 and he was on good terms with every president, basically he was like a chameleon adapting to any environment), the whole corruption thing just reestablished again.
Ed. Not the one I've read, but managed to find something similar:
https://www.occrp.org/ru/home/37-ccblog/ccblog/16181-2022-04-07-16-58-46
Namely, this part (DeepL):
The Russian army had been preparing for a possible operation in neighboring Ukraine for more than a decade. In 2007, Anatoly Serdyukov was appointed defense minister to reform the armed forces. The reform was precipitated by the eight-day war with Georgia, which showed that the Russian troops were not ready to fight protracted conflicts in a modern way.
"Before Serdyukov, we had essentially a Soviet army, huge, clumsy, with outdated equipment and a shortage of personnel," recalls one high-ranking military official. According to him, although Serdyukov "stole everything he could," he carried out the reorganization. Instead of huge military formations, cadre brigades appeared. The former minister fought against them. The "paper troops" were replaced by battalion tactical groups, which were first used after Serdyukov in 2014 in eastern Ukraine.
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Here I am thinking, South East Asian countries had so much corruption. Thanks for the interesting info though. Makes me wanna read more into Russia and its corruption. Then again all power corrupts .
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Indeed, especially when you can be in power for as long as you want, not being afraid of opponents (since you got rid of them).
As for the corruption, well, you can check corruption perceptions index to have a glimpse about how bad it is. Russia is at 130th place and has been ranked around that place for years now, while US at 27th and China at 66th for example. Heck, even South America countries, known for heavy corruption, are ranked higher than Russia.
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Morning guys
Amidst the spam we get here I hoped I could do another update on some stuff that I've been following up. I know this will probably open up stupid comments from our friendly neighborhood trolls, but Ill try to abstain from giving them any attention and so should others. PS I hope this is not against the rules of posting big pieces of text, but this has been solely written by me so no copy/paste.
The painful subject - Mariupol.. AFP are claiming the defenders are running out of supplies.. Although straight from Mariupol the news are a bit different. The defenders have secured their positions in the metallurgy plant among other places. According to them about 2/3 of the city are in their control. Although it is true that they have suffered big losses - From around 2000 Azov men only 300 are left. But they are not alone in the city - with military police, navy and others they form around 1000 fighters. It is approved that Russians have taken hostage 274 UA men from navy that lost a fight and there is no news about their status ..... but knowing Russians.... yeah.
And of course now we have the chemical weapons being used - it is not yet sure if Russians have done it, but USA and NATO have claimed that Russia will have dire consequences if such weapons be used. And there are already videos of Russian media saying how they will use chemical weapons to try to "smoke" UA forces out of the metallurgy plant (but I have to note it doesn't explicitly say they are not meaning smoke bombs)
Karl Nehammer (Chancellor of Austria) visited Putin. It was a bit of a mystery to many why he went, but it turned out he went there with talks about war in mind not about oil imports. The visit was done only after talks with Turkey, USA and Ukraine and receiving green light from EU. The meeting took place one on one with no translators or assistants - Nehammer has clearly expressed to Putin everything that is going on in UA and what are the casualties AND stated that EU is not backing off from sanctions. Putin according to his representative will hold a public speech tomorrow but no ones knows what about - intriguing. Lavrov on the other hand claims Russia will only stop war with signed agreement (but seeing how they want Donbass and Crimea who knows what will be the progress there). But seeing how Putin had big dreams of having parade for winning the war on may 9th (which IMO is on the same level as celebrating Hitlers birthday) he might be pressed to do something in regards this war for his propaganda material to be worthwhile for the parade...
The new sanction pack has NOT been approved today sadly. But there are the huge discussions about the oil as that is the biggest import... Gas doesn't really affect Russian economy that much and without embargo on oil RUS will just take the new sanctions with raised head. Also I have to hang my head in shame and tell you that Latvia has been in the center of being used as gateway to go around sanctions against ban on Russian ships and oil - one of our ports has been accused of mixing Russian oil with other supplier oil so it technically can be sold as NOT Russian. The mayor of the city (whose mafia basically control the port and the city) has of course claimed he doesn't know anything (but the previous mayor, who is de facto leader, is avid Putin supporter so no surprise here. They have been fighting last months for the right to privately hold the port instead of giving it over to government)..... I actually lived in the city and makes me want to vomit - a fucking disgrace. I hope that this will come to light and this putin supporter mafia will pay high price for their support. I will try to update you guys with any relevant info from our side if any comes to light.
All in all EU has stepped up their game and instead of trying to survive RUS invasion EU will help UA to actually win.
But I personally am getting anxious day by day - if RUS actually used chemical weapons (which isn't surprising because Putin has appointed a new admiral for the war who is known as Bucher of Syria....... just sick... sick as can be) I wouldn't be surprised if Putins hand actually is very close to his nuclear arsenal. Also seeing how NATO and USA are very close on actually confronting Russia, I don't think there has been situation in modern history where we have been so close to a WW3.
All in all its just horrible. And even more horrible how many people STILL support the war and stay arrogant by hiding behind whatabaoutism.
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Amidst the spam we get here I hoped I could do another update on some stuff that I've been following up. I know this will probably open up stupid comments from our friendly neighborhood trolls, but Ill try to abstain from giving them any attention and so should others. PS I hope this is not against the rules of posting big pieces of text, but this has been solely written by me so no copy/paste.
There "may be something to tell" about these in the near future.
Now, I can't tell you what to say.
Mariupol: Battle for key port city continues, Ukraine says - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61068650
Zelenskyy Addresses Possible Chemical Weapons Used In Mariupol - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-SkZeRJ8AY
Pentagon monitoring reports of possible Russian chemical weapons attack in Mariupol
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/11/pentagon-monitoring-reports-of-possible-russian-chemical-weapons-attack-in-mariupol.html
The Kyiv Independent on Twitter: "Azov leader Andriy Biletsky said that three people have clear signs of chemical poisoning. He added that there are no “disastrous consequences” for their health. / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1513635491425529865
The most recent incident seems to be that Mariupol is in a tight spot, where an unbelieving drone approached and is suspected of spraying a poisonous gas with a nervous system. :(
The international community should keep a close watch on whether or not the facts are true, and it is hoped that the response will not lead to further civilian casualties....
Some of the effects of the economic sanctions may be worth noting, as there are more and more reports related to the Russian default....
In any case, as I think I told you in a previous discussion, just one day a week is fine.
Try to keep your distance and leave the newspapers and internet to others.📝
Some people may be okay with these stresses, others may not be able to tolerate them.
Humans can only handle one serious problem; it is natural to not cope well with two serious problems.
A good response may be to rely on trusted news reports, friends, and family members to help you take a day off from overworking. 🍵🍪
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Thanks for suggestions (and links as well) :) Yeah, I'm getting anxious but not to a level it would affect my psychological state or overall mental health.. Just worrying as I live near Russia and my country has bad experience in being in the middle of powers fighting :D
But I'm good against stress and actually wanted to go in military myself (special forces at that) but I have poor eyesight so that interfered. (Although I have been pondering of going in National Guard. Trainings on weekends and you can work in daily job)
If I wouldn't have started new work just now I would have probably volunteered to help out with driving to UA myself.. Old acquaintances of mine are part of the convoy of cars that Latvians are donating to UA forces. Bunch of civilians have gathered 100+ SUVs and vans and transporting them to UA lines and giving them off to UA military. Also there have been donations of many walkie talkies from our side which actually went to Mariupol which is how we are getting info about their situation within city.
But yeah, new work, new responsibilities so couldn't go but am driven to follow the developments. But definitely a sound advice to people who are not mentally "rugged"
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hmm after such reports, we need to take a closer look at the possibility of Ukraine using chemical weapons on the remnants of the Azov battalion and territories controlled by Kiev with the subsequent accusation of Russia
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The first big interview with a serviceman of the 501st separate battalion of the Navy Marines, who surrendered in Mariupol on April 4.
"I was very disappointed in the state. We were thrown, thrown, and thrown in again. The whole battalion thinks they were like cannon fodder."
Senior sailor Vladimir Zagorsky spoke in detail about being in the ring, his surrender, his attitude to the actions of the Azov and his hopes for the future.
https://t.me/brussinf/4609
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I wonder what'll will happen to him now that he referred to it as 'war' and not a 'special operation', which is considered a 'defamation of Russian army' and can lead to imprisonment for 15 years. He's been targeted by 'Siloviks' (common name for Russian police, SKR, FSB, national guard, etc etc) for the past two years at least already.
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No idea. I don't like this article at all because its writing is too extravagant, grandiloquent even. Personally I find it hard to believe that puppet clown was the main reason behind the modern Russia actions. For example, he, amongst other things, suggested that Russia should drop a nuclear bomb on US (suggested several times actually), at least once he said the same about Turkey and Ukraine; he also suggested to sent radioactive clouds to Baltic states, eradicate China, destroy Chechnya to ashes and completely flatten Afghanistan with bombs.
For me personally, he was somewhat of a retarded assclown kinda like Alex Jones (if we need parallels), but way, way more odious.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka4ToCiAEyM
Never bad to start the day with a smoking hot Russian tank.
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Soon: "This clearly were Ukrainian tanks which were hit by friendly fire from Nazis who don't know how to use their weapons!"
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damn right. after seeing dead civilians getting pulled out of sewers yesterday every Z tank blowing up makes my day better.
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https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-12-22/h_8740759036c58acacfd2445ade51180c
23 min ago
Russian military-linked hackers target Ukrainian power company, investigators say
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The hack attempt did not affect the provision of electricity at the power company, Victor Zhora, a senior Ukrainian cybersecurity official, told CNN
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Several cyber attacks have been used in this war.
These have contaminated the devices of ordinary citizens using computers and smartphones not only in Ukraine, but also in other countries, and we see situations where we believe that these actions were also carried out as a springboard.
There have also been arrests related to them.
Some people may think that they are not involved because they are playing the game.
Be aware that there are evil people who plant fake mods, mod editing tools, and malicious add-ons and use them when they bring ill will to the majority of people.
Game users are likely to be perceived as "tasty prey".
👁Be vigilant.👁
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Ukrainian children with AK play at a checkpoint and ask if they pronounce the word Polyanitsa correctly, bread in Ukrainian
https://t.me/black_list_VSU/3022?single
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A shame really :(
But Ukrainian kids need to learn fast because the Ruskies have shown that they will shoot at everything and everyone even children.
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by the way , someone said that children in Ukraine are not brought up in a russophobic atmosphere . They are taught to kill russians from childhood. Yesterday I laughed a lot while flipping through this propaganda comic for Ukrainian children
http://springcomics.com/confrontation-red-terror.pdf
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Maybe that's why the Z's bomb maternity hospitals?
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tricky Ukrainian bots have already come up with an answer , funny
you won't be able to provide proof of your words
there have already been hundreds of interviews with ordinary residents of Mariupol who say that Ukrainian tanks fired at houses with direct fire to intimidate the population and pictures for the Western press
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Hahahahahahahaha
Ukrainian bot he says... I grant you, of all the Z you are the funniest hahahahaha
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You literally invade their country and then blame them for hating you. This is that typical bully mentality - bully someone until they snap and then blame them for getting back at you.
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as for the bully, by the way, it also seemed to me like the situation since 2014. When Ukraine bombed the peaceful population of Donbass , and suddenly now does not understand why it now receives a response from a friend who was bullied
Donbass. Documentary film
https://rutube.ru/video/8143454fe91266c4ba135e7bfe1398cc/
unfortunately, so far without subtitles
for mac try soft BeMyEars with automatic subs
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Here's that peaceful population of Donbass. Armed with a peaceful automatic grenade launcher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9XAcZKRu40
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These are the heroes who fought with the weapons they had. They defended the people of Donbass. And the house is most likely no longer residential. just one grandmother for the entrance
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*terrorists who initiated the war with the weapons from Russia.
Please use correct terminology.
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While the initial protests were largely native expressions of discontent with the new Ukrainian government, Russia took advantage of them to launch a coordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine. Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia. As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia employed a "hybrid approach", deploying a combination of disinformation, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilize the Donbas.
Ukraine launched a military counter-offensive against pro-Russian forces in April 2014, called the "Anti-Terrorist Operation" (ATO) from 2014 until 2018, when it was renamed the "Joint Forces Operation"
Peaceful he says .... Hahaha
Nice twisting of the truth you did there again.
But as I have said before, you can always tell what Russians are doing by looking at what they say,
"They are using chemical weapons" ... means Russia is using chemical weapons.
"They are bombing a peaceful population" ...means, Russia is bombing a peaceful population.
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You have the wrong interpretation of those events. The first shelling of the civilian population was started by Ukraine, the creation of an armed militia was a response. At the call of the heart, many Russians went to Donbass, there was no army then. The army appeared this year and as you can see, it is impossible not to notice the difference.
Peaceful he says .... Hahaha
Nice twisting of the truth you did there again.
But as I have said before, you can always tell what Ukrainians are doing by looking at what they say,
"They are using chemical weapons" ... means Ukraine is using chemical weapons.
"They are bombing a peaceful population" ...means, Ukraine is bombing a peaceful population.
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I am just pulling up recorded facts.
You are the only one here who is interpreting the events in a way so that they fit your narrative.
Everyone can see that, you are the one who is willful ignorant of the situation.
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it's just that either paid bots are working here or some people from the West who haven't realized yet who they support
the fact that few people support Russia in the comments, you ban them and do not give the word
many are afraid to get 300 people in the blacklist, I'm not afraid)
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Good for you, brave little ruzzian truth fighter. Do you feel good when you go to sleep?
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Well you have the word at the moment.
And instead of backing up your claims with some recorded facts that support your interpretation , you come up with this nonsense you wrote here and want to start a pity parade.
Let me show you some more,
During the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, which toppled the Russian-friendly regime of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Russia responded by annexing Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and throwing its support behind an insurgency in Donbas.
Russia-backed fighters, led by former Russian intelligence officer Igor Girkin and supported by Russian special forces, seized several administrative buildings in Donbas, setting off the conflict.
In April 2014, the Russian-backed rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk proclaimed the creation of "people's republics" and months later held a popular and unrecognized referendum to declare independence from Ukraine in an effort to become part of Russia, experts said.
---These are facts---
What you do is coming up with a narrative in a way so that it fits snugly in your storyline.
We all know it by now .... Evil Ukrainians and Peaceful Russians.
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You have the wrong interpretation of those events. First was created terorrist organisation, backed and supported by Russia, who started to capture Ukrainian cities, and destroy transport of people trying to flee the region. Ukrainian army was put there later to stop the crime, and shelling was only made from pro-russian forces. At the call of the heart, many Ukrainians went to Donbass, to stop so-called "militia" from killing civilians. Russian army appeared this year and as you can see, its doing exaclty the same as before - killing civilians and shelling cities. The only difference is that before support from Russia was limited, and now they throw all forces they have (and they still miserably losing in this war, 10x times more losses from russian side, they had to retreat from a lot of places they tried to invade initially to concentrate their forces in the East, and even with combined forces they fail miserably to advance)
Only paid bots or people from russia who havent' realized yet who they support are on your side. The fact that few people support russia in comments is because sane people never support merciless killers. Only few, like you, don't afraid to show their true face.
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the great russian tale of "Ukraine is..."
at least something is great, when your army isn't
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rofl first reasonable thing you said... a lot of them are hating you guys since the 2014 invasion.... now you just made it worse.
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