personally, I think it's comes down to balance and not overreacting. If you create a PSA that is useful/interesting to me, awesome. If you create a PSA that is not, even if I disagree with it, then whatever... I will skim it and move on; no harm, no foul. If I create a PSA and someone disagrees with my opinion, that's cool... I appreciate it if you can at least be more or less civil.
I agree that anything political tends to have a snowball effect and inevitably someone on one side or the other gets all butthurt about something. I think too many people these day tend to become too emotionally invested and take things very personally. I Like not having censorship. I don't want someone to be afraid to tell me that I fucked up or give me some fucked up advice... pretty much this sums up my philosophy:
John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare
Anyway, FWIW I thought the Sunday awareness and Burnt Toast threads were pretty funny and didn't feel that they were mocking and definitely not in any sort of malicious way if they were (I had even been considering also making an Awareness Thread about Awareness Threads but did not mostly due to a very hectic weekend). Yes, the world has real issues. And I doubt very much all of the worlds issues will ever go away... and when you get bombarded by emotionally negative topics and told "we're doing ___ wrong" constantly by all the news feeds / etc (how many things cause cancer again? how many days can you go without the news covering a death?), you NEED to make light of things to stay sane. If we're going to censor things that are not even malicious then count me out.
EDIT: fowl -> foul
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*Foul not Fowl.
As a cat I find that offensive to birds and a primary food group. As a penguin, you should know better! SMH
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doh!... fixed (thanks btw)
Also, you made me curious so I thought I would share... turns out penguins are not fowl (or foul)
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I said that in different ( sort of related ) thread and i will repeat it here. Just delete off-topic sub forum all together. I came here to win games,give games and to chat with people about video games not to listen to some mental feminist or read someone's life blog...
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So don't open those threads and don't make mocking trolling threads in off-topic section.
I don't care about HB monthly threads, so I don't enter deal section related to them. I don't go into those threads to say how badly HB is and don't create parody threads in off-topic because of that.
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HB monthly threads are related to video games, there is no problem here. (and like you I don't care about it)
The problem is the flood about bs "mental feminist or someone's life blog" thread like DontBeSilly said.
It shouldn't even be there in the first place.
Steamgift is not facebook, twitter, reddit or whatever.
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is it wrong that I read this and think it would be great to move all the "PSA" threads to their own area... and maybe also have an decensorized / desensitized area that is somewhat the SG equivalent of /r/ImGoingToHellForThis ? :-D
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I think topics are not the issue here. It’s the people who use these topic as a cover to insult people.
Someone nailed it.
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Since Mully didn't, Jim didn't can you show me those examples (in private) then of those that used it as a "cover to insult people"? Making a similar topic itself, to me is still not an insult on itself.
They probably also all got closed because it got too much, but will a next one get closed (we also don't know what others will do and if it gets out of hand again)?
And while i said before noone got suspended over it, someone apparently was.
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Support gives plenty of warnings before they suspend someone. If you get suspended, come back and do the exact same thing again, guess what -- you're likely to get suspended again.
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Still don't answer my question either, who, when, where when they an insult?
And i thought you of all people knew that wasn't always the case, one staff member warning more then others.
For example one, keep tabs on you and three strikes your out, but they won't tell you, i had that told me once.
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Still don't answer my question
If you want an answer to that, ask the mods. Personally speaking, I'm tired of the bullshit, so I'm sure they are, too. Some of this has been going on for ages, and people need to let it go and get over it. Their little "crises and crusades" game is annoying other people.
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Since when you became so pro mod all of the sudden..?
Mully feels certain things were an insult (since you are always backing her up), you are talking about it, you weren't a stranger before adressing forum issues to me in private, so i am asking you, in private so neither gets a hassle, not a mod. Have you seen one yet here?
I am not talking about people with crises and crusades (double..), people that keep getting suspended, i am talking about where and when the insults were specificially in the "parody" ones, if any, and if for that fact any "parody" thread now is considered not done anymore?
If you look at the comments, it ranges from people saying free speech to just removing any off topic stuff, or dump it in a seperate space, but also how people are getting (or atleast looks like it) are getting treated unequal, bottom line is (keep) suspending certain users isn't a solution, let alone the solution. There needs to be more changed, one of them are the guidelines.
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Since when you became so pro mod all of the sudden..?
I'm neither for nor against the mods. This is Tzaar, stating his opinion. I've become fed up with the ongoing grudges, petty bullshit, and sideways attacks that particular users are constantly throwing at one another. Things were escalating and the mods felt the need to nip things in the bud. It's certainly not the first time it's happened. That I happen to agree is irrelevant.
And yes, I saw many, many insults being thrown around at users in at least one of those threads. Hell, it's still going on now, outside of those threads. I am not saying that was happening in all the closed threads, but it was apparent at least one person was using their thread as a "safe haven" to talk shit with whoever agreed with them. As to why the other threads were closed, I can only speculate that it was to remain unbiased -- otherwise you're going to get people screaming "why was my thread closed and this one wasn't?!" And then it starts all over again ...
I've let all my bullshit go. Let yours go, too. You'll feel better, believe me
EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot. Hope you have a Happy Halloween. :)
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I can disagree with you on things in the first paragraph, but i won't be going into because of a promise i made.
But to quote a reply from staff "Not only will this force those who have taken part some time to pause and reflect on their actions.., but also allow the site to heal from the division that has erupted from it."
That does come across like a general "warning" to all that participated, not 1 person that apparently took the piss out of things.
I am letting things go, I have no problems that the threads got closed, on the contrary i understand, it's just how are we going from here? I think there are more problems (and solutions needed).
This isn't the first topic i tried to adress certain issues, many went before me.
And this will also be the last i tried, some made it derail about issues that this topic wasn't about too.
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So, basically - because I've disagreed with the mods in the past, I should always disagree with them? That's not how I work. I happen to agree with them far more often than I disagree, in fact. I also disagree with friends all the time, regardless of who they are, and if someone I dislike makes a good point, I can also agree with them. For the record, I disagree with Mully all the time (since you brought her up) - you don't see it because I tell her directly.
But when I disagree with the mods, I take it to tickets or private conversation rather than make a thread about it. I may even vent about it to friends, but I will not dump it on the forums. I'm also not above letting them know when I believe they've done a good job or letting them know I back their decisions.
You wanted my opinion. You got it. That is how I work. Disagree all you want, but it is what it is.
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Those are assumptions you are making, it's not about agreeing or disagreeing in the past, present or future, it was what your plan was, which as i said was more then just about "collecting data", something that goes against being pro staff atleast.
What you replied to me in private you can stick to that, you can have had a "revelation" and seen the light, and maybe got past it but your feelings back then still remained, thus fit what i said, and because of that, i still stick to what i said to you in private. Let's leave it at that.
You got your direct lines with staff, not all of us have, to the rest of us, tickets will still go unsolved, unreplied to, especially if you didn't make friends with certain support members too.
No i wanted an explanation on the insult part, where you found it, what you found, you suddenly made it about people getting suspended, and now you are bringing it in about staff.
You used to have no problems in talking to me about things, so why i asked you, but noticed you don't even have me in your friend list anymore either, nor you even want to go into a discussion on your profile, so no i am not really interested in an opinion from you anymore really.
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Yes, some people get over things and move on. Some people get angry and it passes. Some people change their minds.
Some people don't do any of those things, and those are the people who remain an issue.
You got your direct lines with staff
100% False. The only mods on my friends list are Pete and CG, Pete's been inactive for ages now. I added him again after he became inactive. CG added me to discuss the changes to the points system and my concerns over it. We've discussed nothing else beyond that singular conversation. I use support tickets, same as everyone else. You're most definitely barking up the wrong tree with that.
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You didn't go through with things foremost because you didn't want others to take the wrap for it (your words back then) not because you had that revelation first.
With those plans you apparently had some deep issues with certain staff, you were also angry on how Mully was treated all the time, and suddenly you "got past it" and now you advocate on how certain users are putting up crap everytime and you are getting tired of the bullshit, you can't get over that, yet you could have with the issues you had with staff?
That's just really hard to rhyme..
You loved hunting down rule breakers and you sure got people quicker suspended then people that are waiting months (or forever) on tickets they send in.
I dunno if that was all through Pete, or whoever it was, but you sure got things done alot quicker then the most of us.
Also happy halloween to you too yeah.
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I did have some issues with some staff, no doubt. I got past them and got over them. Period. You bringing up shit from months ago doesn't change that. It's exactly as I said. I was angry at the time, but I moved on and got past it.
I still love "hunting down rule-breakers." That hasn't changed. I have a couple dozen tickets in queue as I type this. Sure, I used to message one mod when someone had unactivated wins or multiple wins, or even multiple accounts and they'd get suspended. Anything beyond the "simple" rule-breaking went in a support ticket, however. Was I wrong or being shown favoritism because basic rule-breakers were expediently suspended?
But let's remember, too -- I also removed that mod from my friends over a disagreement YOU had with him. He was a friend for a long time and i had no personal beef with him, but I stood by what I believed was right and did what I felt was right. The only one still carrying a grudge here is you.
Like I said - let it go, Lugum.
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If you are measuring with 2 standards still having trouble with the bullshit from certain people now (else you wouldn't keep bringing it up) versus the troubles you have/had with staff but managed to get over that. That again still doesn't rhyme...
You are now making it sound like i asked you to stop being friends with him, if he was such a friend for a long time, good friends can get past a disagreement with someone.
Stop with the assumption please, who do i have a grudge with?
And the beliterating "let it go" everyime, we aren't watching a Frozen movie, you keep feeling the need to keep answer me too so you can't seem to let it go either.
I am only asking clearity (noone (not even staff) said once so far if parody threads are even allowed anymore or can we all get a suspension the next time) and peace and how we can make some real changes and guidelines on how to get there.
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It's intentionally nebulous, that's how cg rolls. Let it go, or don't.
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We all know who the problem is. How they were not banned yet is beyond me.
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Happy Cake Day, FameTaker! :-)
I filed some reports about one user calling another “fucking moron” and one user calling another “ a single cell organism “ with someone else promoting the behavior and saying “it’s an insult to single cell organisms “ and these reports closedown without any explanation. So should I assume this type of behavior is acceptable? Those topics are closed now but those people are only encouraged as these look more like a cover up then a punishment.
Some, mostly the same, people on SG use insults and foul language on a daily basis and swear like there will be no tomorrow but reporting this to support has no use as these tickets are closed without any action taken. So those that do these insults and such are getting away with it, know this and take fully advantage of this.
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Strange, because they hand out bans for being rude to the wrong people while it's A-OK to preach violence here which is considered a much more serious offense in any civilised country.
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I must have hidden them with ESGST since I noticed no drama. Those kinds of threads need to be written in a proper way, not in a way that incriminates everyone. Maybe that's why they got deleted idk. Like I said I just hide them.
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I think almost anything within the letter of the law should be allowed to be discussed. Politics, religion, whatever. Bullying/mocking threads should be deleted on sight. Comments/replies should be moderated as the mods see fit, as long as that doesnt clash with the first thing I said :P
I would love to rip into someone with some clearly documented facts :P
The problem with all this of course is the number of people on this forum that automatically go into troll-mode as soon as they see a serious topic popping up...
So...just like....whatever :/
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This is a private site though, they can do whatever they want here. Closing threads or not.
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Sadly SGifts discussion became 4chan /pol/ right now... that's the biggest issue.
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To answer your question: I prefer a clean forum.
Interenet is already full of those threads everywhere. This is not the purpose of Steamgifts.
Is it too hard for people to stick to gaming stuff?
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Reddit is a good place for ANY of those discussions. Lets PLEASE keep non-video-game talk OFF this site. Thanks!
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Either all of it is okay, or none of it is okay.
But I'd prefer it if we didn't close down topics because "it goes against my morals so no fun allowed."
And I'd also prefer it if we kept the political to a minimum, because it only shows the shitty side of people.
"Reee you're too sensitive," and "reee time to establish the fun police!" Please for the love of god make it stop. So sick of seeing this everywhere. Just keep your shitty political stances to yourself literally no one fucking cares what your stance is on anything whatsoever.
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Maybe a new category, titled Serious discussions, could be made. And all those threads could go in there, where I can continue to ignore them all.
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I'm 100% for freedom of expression as in -freedom regulated by law- (ie. no abusive, defamatory or discriminatory threads).
I think the problem is miscategorization: certain thread are a call for discussion, expression or debate and should be in the appropriate category, but I feel like Off-Topic and Uncategorized are not only redundant but also not specific enough: one should specifically be for discussion -other- than video game or steamgift, and other should be for complete off-topic, freestyle, music or whatever tier threads.
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Imagine every single user creating 2 shitposting threads per day. We'd literally have no space to actually discuss game stuff. There are some users who do this every single day. Shitposting had to be stopped at some point.
This is not your personal forum to shitpost. You attention whores need to go someplace else.
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I think you are a bit exaggerating have you seen any today or yesterday?
This forum isn't really a helpdesk either yet people keep asking why their iphone isn't working or whatever random thing, most times too.
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The difference is that people generally close their topic if they got an answer / people don't bump it as often, while shitposts are always kept on top for way too much time, not to mention the trolls and funny people who bump them as well.
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Difference is also, it has erupted last week for once since, i dunno, ever? That was getting out of hand.
But as long as it some people do it but in a "regulated" way, those that don't like such stuff can just ignore it?
Noone is mentioning all those other offtopic ones like "my iphone is broken, how can i fix it?" or "my bank has blocked my credit card." (not real examples, but well we all know such threads) personally that annoys me, but yet people also keep replying there, and thus bumping it, and we allow that too.
Everyone will define "shitpost" differently, some would find any non game related topic, one.
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What the hell guys? I leave the site for a week and you burn the fucking forums down.
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Seems every time you leave SG everything happens here
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Cats like OP mean well, but this is only adding fuel to the fire. Endless extrapolation only leads to more division and alienation.
Also, it's painfully obvious that OP wants to be Staff.
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Not really sure what you mean with "Cats like OP"? (with that i got a win and spacecat).
I do agree it derailed too many times by others and distracts.
How do you make that assumption that i want to be staff (though think by now, you were just joking?)
I just question why some of my threads (and those of others) got closed, but also just want a peaceful forum, trying to find a common ground. Letting things go the way it is i don't think is the answer.
I really don't want to be staff, i been a moderator elsewhere, don't want to invest my time in those things anymore and yes also don't want to take the crap that comes with it.
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I was thinking about just letting it go, but i dunno.
So support closed down a bunch of threads from several people (like the harassment ones), first of all i respect that and it was getting a bit out of hand maybe (same with the #metoo) on the other hand are "parody" (some might call them mock) threads now not allowed anymore? It's also kind of censoring.
But i also question the reason for it being staff being swamped by user tickets for it to come to this, were such a large amount really bothered by it, so much even to send in a support ticket?
And to quote a reply from staff "Not only will this force those who have taken part some time to pause and reflect on their actions.., but also allow the site to heal from the division that has erupted from it."
Political ones are already avoided, now this, lately i feel there isn't already much other talk left lately then bundle information, giveaways, and some group recruitment.
Also taking the point about Mully and her past suspensions, reminded me on how there should be better written guidelines, something CG said months ago would be made.
As it comes down too now, every support member now handles all sorts of different situations as they see fit, and some even getting different treatments.
Clearer guidelines could avoid alot of bad stuff going for the recent (months?) on the forum, in the end we do all want the same thing a peaceful nice place to hang out in.
*I said before noone afaik was suspended over things, but apparently someone was, and yes we don't know the motiviations for staff, but it did happen some got suspended while others not.
** Also some claim to talk about it being a game site, and it should be restricted to that, but there has always been loads of off topic threads beside "parody" ones, then people should also say that off topic needs to disappear (which is another discussion).
Should there be no censoring, to a limit, or you prefer a "clean" forum, opinions? And please keep it a bit civil.
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