I'm thanking you in the name of the ninja that took it ;)
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Ah well. Thanks anyway. It's no problem. I can live without it.
Now if it were an ARK- Survival Evolved, I would have been running around turning people into eunuch's with a sharp knife.
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The Orb Chambers :
V9KI5-6CRN4-0LXK-Y
PZRTI-KRIWN-VNI8-H
R0YAK-9T3MI-76JY-B
BoneBone :
4Y4XC-2687G-PIRM-J
PZQWY-48RWJ-D278-B
W203T-96LIG-ZHIJ-6
XY0F5-A6TPG-68E3-Q
Remove the last hyphen, it's there to thwart bots.
Leave a message with the one you got, enjoy :)
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Thanks for the key drops! Much appreciated.
I managed to snag V9KI5-6CRN4-0LXK-Y. It was the last code I tried! All the others already taken.
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That's it. I'm done with this topic today. 0/0 on keys so far. Damn inconsiderate ninjas.
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Yeah, I couldn't get a single one. Now, steam has blocked me from using other attempts for a little while. :(
Anyone know if there is a more permanent "punishment" for too many unsuccessful attempts?
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OK, Thanks. It would help if steam told you how long the cooldown timer was for.
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Oh I bet they can't wait to be on the whitelist bound to these stats!
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Great tunnel vision, congrats! Guess you completely missed that all kinds of activity on that account are in the last 15 days or so. An account's age isn't necessarily reflective of the activity of said account(and with his first sent ending before any of his wins). We all started at 0
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Even greater tunnel vision, I see! Way to go fully on your excellent tunnel vision.
Making baseless promises is one of this site's shunned actions and this user had nothing to back his claims with. Not even the rep. What good can come out of this? Nothing, except people dumping keys here without using the giveaways system and bots or said user getting free keys OR simply attract attention to yourself, contributing with nothing to the thread, but contributing to a neat circle-jerk.
Guess you completely miss the fact that everybody starts at 0 (your words, buddy) and nobody gets free passes unless you're as sheltered as Fort Knox.
Stop protecting people that have yet to prove themselves and stop supporting circle-jerking.
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Making baseless promises is one of this site's shunned actions...[]
No, it's not. Not delivering on your promises is the site's policy. Making "baseless" promises is something you and a part of the users are shunning.
But let's not dwell on that. Either way, attacking him is completely normal? Cause that's what you did. And on what? The ASSUMPTION(!) that he's not gonna follow through. For all you know he might have, for all I know he might have not. There's no way of knowing until after the fact(unless you have access to some time travelling device, do you? that would be cool!) and you just assumed the worst case scenario. Nothing bad with it besides the fact that you acted on it. It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
The only fact is that neither of us know absolutely nothing about him. We can't know what he was thinking at that moment and what his actual intentions were. You choose to believe that he's scum and just wanted some quick grabs, I choose to believe he saw some kind of behavior he liked, thought(or didn't think :P) to post how he'd use his whitelist and found himself getting bashed for it.
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I see you have NO idea of HOW burden of proof is used. Cool, cool. I see that.
Here, enlighten yourself on wikipedia.
The burden of proof is usually used in conjunction with protectionist laws from "hunches" and baseless accusations, BUT when there is proof or reasonable likelihood that the defense indeed was in a position to NOT follow trough it's claims (see "preponderance of the evidence") it will completely fall on the defendant's shoulders to prove it had no intention of doing so.
Sufficient proof exists, the user has no way of proving that it can offer the compensation for the unbundled keys. The defense has no way of backing it's claims turning this into a fraud. He backed out, case dismissed.
This site is built around the concept of giveaways. This means that the only indicator that somebody will do their job is that they will send or receive during a 7 day trial period the prize keys. BUT the site DOES NOT REGULATE these kind of first-come-first-served giveaways like in this thread. These work purely on user "trust" and can lead to "beautiful" fakes. That's why people have low expectations from them. Bots are also an issue on these as they can ninja keys faster than users.
The sites has systems that EXPLICITLY REGULATE actual real giveaways, that have ways of proving if any party is right after 7 days at most.
There was absolutely NO need for ANY instigation for the users to subjugate the site's main functionality or regulation via a potential reward in threads like these.
My point is that the user should have not posted that damned comment and just leave it at that. I conclude that the only way the user could have made this correct and fair was to silently add people without asking for a favor in return and only then use the site's tools for the WL giveaways, otherwise it looked like a desperate attempt at getting keys than all the other people trying their luck in the giveaways.
In short: the user promised a probable giveaway in the future, maybe, for the people that satisfy his criteria. He has to "deliver" that. I pointed out that this kind of comment has no basis as he has no track record of ever doing so, hence the suspicions and the user being able to get free keys in, return, will do nothing on his part. Steamgifts does not allow this kind incertitudes on the "delivery" part. Once you sign it you do it.
Please understand what I'm trying to convey to you. Thanks.
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I perfectly understand what you're trying to convey, it's how you handled it I'm disagreeing with. We both agree that comment was needless, no argument there. But let's go point by point.
"The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted."
source: Wikipedia
In this case the role of prosecutor falls to you and the role of the accused goes to said user. So you are the one that has to collect the "evidence" to discredit him.
Sufficient proof exists, the user has no way of proving that it can offer the compensation for the unbundled keys. The defense has no way of backing it's claims turning this into a fraud. He backed out, case dismissed.
And that's where our disagreement(and your misunderstanding) lies. Let's clear the misunderstanding first. He never said unbundled games, he said games that were not given out in big scale free giveaways like all those gleam.io we see every day. I don't know if that changes anything in your perspective but the rest of your argument remains valid. As long as the giveaway system includes said game in the list, bundled or not, that could be used instead.
To the disagreement now. What you judge to be "sufficient proof" I simply don't. You have nothing to base your argument besides the LACK of proof. There's not a single indication that there was "malicious" intent. None.
And the fact that he backed out doesn't automatically prove you right, he might as well just not feel like dealing with this drama.
I'm gonna skip the next part and jump to this:
I conclude that the only way the user could have made this correct and fair was to silently add people without asking for a favor in return... []
Only again, he never asked to drop those keys to him which would consist a favour. He simply encouraged key drops which I choose to interpret as encouraging an act he viewed as positive(which if you look at it this way is more generous than making a giveaway considering you get absolutely nothing in return, not even CV, and it's open to everyone)
the user promised a probable giveaway in the future, maybe, for the people that satisfy his criteria. He has to "deliver" that. I pointed out that this kind of comment has no basis as he has no track record of ever doing so, hence the suspicions and the user being able to get free keys in, return, will do nothing on his part.
As I said above no argument on being suspicious, I am too, but jumping down his throat just doesn't sit well with me. you could have said something a million different ways but you chose to directly attack his credibility without leaving the slightest window of doubt. Mood Music. That's inexcusable for me.
And time for the most important point. Let's not forget what this thread actually is!
"Orphan key = A key you're uncertain whether or not got activated, or a gift / key you can't create as steamgifts giveaway"
Uncertain if it's gonna work. Uncertain. So it's a key most people will not risk using in a giveaway in case it doesn't actually work and will have to buy it just for that. And that is what makes the whole argument shaky.
That came out a bit long. Bear with me xD
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You are making a sound case and I agree with you in most counterpoints, but I just have to point out some small inconsistencies, just to clarify (respectively to your points):
I do agree I might have been a bit harsh and that the prosecuted said after an edit that his whitelist GAs might happen after a steam sale. Again, a subjective and still not satisfactory promise for a reward if I were to drop some higher grade keys in here.
The fact that the thread is what it is makes the argument pretty much overdone for it's own sake, but we have to be frank on something. Asking for better keys here is lame and slightly desperate.
As much as I like the pseudo legal banter, this is draining and I guess we've made our points. :D
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Asking for better keys here is lame and slightly desperate.
Agreed on the general idea. But on the particular case I'm gonna choose to believe he was trying to encourage something he viewed as positive behavior and not aiming for personal gain. I like looking at the world through rose-colored glasses, it's prettier that way :P
Indeed it is draining but also provided a very enjoyable evening. Thank you for that!
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Yeah it seems like he is lying just so people are droping keys for him xD
Why should he care if you drop keys here or just create a GA? The only answer is he wants to get all the keys without doing anything
Sorry If I am wrong but it looks suspicious o.o
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It makes people also happy if you create a public lvl0 giveaway. So why should they drop it here?
When you create a GA the chance is lower that a bot will get your paid key :P
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Orphan key = A key you're uncertain whether or not got activated, or a gift / key you can't create as steamgifts giveaway
In case you have orphan keys laying around
Drop them here
You might make some lucky bastard happy
Note:Feel free to drop other keys you don't need for other platform like Desura or GOG or anything else.
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