my i5 4670 is doing fine but I want to upgrade the ram and buying ddr3... uhm (ಠ_ಠ)
I guess next year I'll upgrade to am4 + ryzen and ddr4
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My 4 years old i7-4790K is still doing the job fine to me. No need to upgrade
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Got enough games to play longer with my hardware
No need to upgrade for 10 years ;)
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Yea I have an i5-4670 and play all games on High / Max...
People upgrade just for bragging rights and not much else...This generation should really learn how to tweak
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It's not as good as you think, but it depends on the game a lot.
i7-4790 vs i3-8300 , i7 only wins in multicore but in general the i3 is faster.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4790-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8300/2293vsm484077
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5GHz :o I dread to see the temperature profile of those...
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was just thinking the same, Ryzen 5 3600X looks nice.
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I could be mistaken, but isn't the Ryzen 3 3300 en par with the Ryzen 5 2600? They both seem to have similar specs, except the Ryzen 3 is cheaper. If so, I might pick that up instead of the Ryzen 5 2600 I'm planning on getting for my new build.
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I am on the same situation as you but if the leak is real i will wait for sure.
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I couldn't care less about how many cores/threads or what frequency a CPU has.
I wanna know what kind of performance per core they're going to get.
TLDR: I'll wait for reviews.
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10 years ago "yeah games and mmo will support multi core for gaming, just wait for a bit it's still new"
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Until a 20% weaker intel cpu has the same performance as these.
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Your meme is old. Ryzen is far superior in TDP/temp for performance than the old AMD FX chips. Intel is having a really hard time matching the core counts of Ryzen while staying within its own temperature budgets. (especially since its new 10nm process has been continually delayed for years now)
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Meh, maybe for workstations, for gaming even an i5 8400 can beat just about all Ryzens.
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And how often cpus like ryzen 2600x or 2070 is to slow?
In 90% of the games the gpu will be the "bottleneck".
And "even the i5 8400" costs more than the 2600 or 2600x and is slower in multitasking and applications.
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Depends on the titles. Heavy simulation games like RimWorld or Parkitect mainly suffer from CPU, not from the GPU. If you look at the typical FPS/RPG AAA titles then yes, there is not a lot for CPU to do besides PhysX and offloading GPU in more calculations-intensive tasks - but it's not like CPU cannot be a bottleneck, and it often is if you pair it with high-end GPU settings. For example, that i5 8400 (and by definition majority of your ryzens) can't keep up with RTX 2080 Ti.
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But even then, I don't have RimWorld or Parkitect (last one is at Wishlist at least) but I'm sure, that you could still play these games with a ryzen with a good performance.
Even if you would get more FPS from Intel... But on the other side: who needs FPS in Parkitect or Rimworld... These games would even be nice to play with 30FPS (and I'm still sure you would get around 60fps with a ryzen even on lategame). At least "Oxygen not included", "Cities Skylines" or "Planet Coaster" run pretty fine with ryzen.
And yes, that's why I said 90%... If you have a RTX 2080 TI you will prob. not buy Ryzen or an I5...
Anyway my point was: even for gaming the Ryzens 2*** have better price-performance ratio than Intel and are not "bad" for gaming...
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I'm getting CPU-bottlenecked in Parkitect with my i7 7700k (overclocked to 4.5 GHz) with FPS drops even below 30 with too many guests and zoom at once. My GPU is 1080 GTX Ti for reference.
Sure, half of the issue is that the game is not necessarily optimized for that amount of things at once, but this is not an exception, and the higher you go with the settings and overall rig, the more games you find to suffer from that. Gaming was always bottlenecked by a single thread performance, and the best games got was like 70/30 split (Witcher 3), but it's still 70% of the code ran on a single thread where nothing else matters but single core performance. With majority of the games, you can safely say that from 80 to 90% of code is single-threaded.
Right now I wouldn't put Ryzen in any rig stronger than GTX 1070 (looking at Ryzen 7 1700 and 2700), but in all tiers below it's excellent choice. Better price-performance ratio - I can agree, but they're absolutely inferior to intel picks at GTX 1080 and above (I'd argue even at 1070 Ti already). No experienced, sane PC builder will suggest you to pair GTX 1080+ with Ryzen, and not because everybody hates AMD, but because of a single core CPU bottleneck and nothing else. Can you put Ryzen in such rig and be fine with it? Of course you can, same how you can pair my 7700k with integrated GPU, but nobody said it'll be optimal.
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At 2070 I would agree, with the 1700 I would not agree (if we are talking about the Ryzen 2x00/x with fast ram and not the Ryzen 1x00)
To Parkitect: that's a shame. That game is on my wishlist and just got out of EA. I hope they can add some optimization
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Sometimes...I think games are poorly optimized on purpose to drive hardware sales
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Nope, it doesn't. But I don't have time to argue with you when you don't even know what the prices are.
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Prices from PCPartPicker:
AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (YD260XBCAFBOX) $214.99 Amazon
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (BX80684I58400) $220.98 Newegg
As a bonus, the Ryzen stock cooler is actually good vs the Intel one, so that's more money saved.
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Plus for the most part the amd motherboard will be cheaper at least in my area.
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If you google the i5 the very first result right off the bat is less than that, 199 at Bestbuy, so that's a PCPP fail. As for the cooler give me a break, the Intel one will get the job done, it's just not that pretty.
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Europa:
Intel I5-8400: €224,90
Ryzen 2600X: 204,90
The Ryzen cooler is not only "pretty" it's also quieter and you can even use it to oc your CPU...
With the Intel cooler you can't oc... of wait, intel has locked the cpu.
Also with Ryzen you are on AM4, a Plattform, that you at least can use for the next generation (Zen2) while intel... who knows. They even release a new plattform when there is absolut zero need for it.
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That's just a current local price issue due to Intel having some stock issue for whatever reason, just a little while ago it was cheaper here as well.
And what good is an OC if it's still worse for games? The 8400 beats even the 2700x in gaming performance.
I said it right off the bat, Ryzen is better for workstations but for gaming even a lower mid tier Intel can beat any Ryzen..
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I said it right off the bat, Ryzen is better for workstations but for gaming even a lower mid tier Intel can beat any Ryzen..
Pfff post some citations or numbers, your opinion is bias.
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I don't care enough about someone being an AMD fanboy to do that much work, the data is there on a billion tech sites, everyone is free to check what I'm saying. Happy holidays!
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Hey, you do you pal. I've never been a fanboi of anything, I welcome adversity by diversity.
I did a 30 second google search and found this:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/3939vs3955
Which doesn't really support your claim. But it's fine.
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What are you talking about, it says 8400 - 89% gaming suitability 64% workstation, 2600 - 87% gaming 80% workstation, that totally supports it being better for gaming but worse for workstations. Now you're just confusing.
That being said that website offers just a few synthetic tests so they're guesstimating performance instead of actual testing real life performance.
Try this https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-2700-ryzen-5-2600
I don't know why you're so adamant about this, it's not a big deal, Intel is just better for gaming still. Fewer but better cores are still the way to go with most games.
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Well, I guess the wording of your statement has it right then.
I just imagine a gaming pc that doesn't need to turn settings down to stream or multi task or something is all. I guess that is not the same as strictly gaming I guess, but it just seems a marginal difference at best to begin with it feels deserve consideration.
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I imagine someone that streams professionally goes for higher end stuff anyway, same for heavy duty workstations. And if they're streaming freakin Fortnite they can do that on a toaster (sorry I hate Fortnite, ugh).
Sorry if I sounded agrresive at any point, just dealing with some stuff so I'm lacking patience and time lol. Happy holidays!
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I don't belive this leak.
Maybe the core and clockspeed but not price and release...
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The price could be believable. If Intel is leaning heavily on its OEM partners to build and promote Intel-based systems, then AMD may need to focus the majority of their efforts on gaining marketshare from everything that's not prebuilt.
Plus the chiplet design is giving AMD high yields (and margin) on its chips. Not having to throw out entire CPUs for defects means lower costs for AMD overall.
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If the leaks are true, I can't wait to upgrade... But I'll still need to see performance before doing so.
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I'm waiting for 2 PC games before I upgrade my good old i5 4770/R9 390 champ. Star Citizen and Cyberpunk 2077, whichever one comes out first with recommended specs first, is when I start looking at an upgrade. That said I will probably go with AMD on the CPU at least. The Price=Value is much more appealing than Intel's. I just hope they can bring that same performance to the GPU side so I can justify buying AMD GPU instead of NVidia.
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Then you'll upgrade for Cyberpunk, i see no way Star Citizen releasing before CDPR's game. I've personally lost my enthusiasm for Star Citizen, it's an ever ending wait. By 2022 am not even sure if it will be here.
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I wonder if all those models have already fixed the ongoing hardware security issues plaguing Intel, AMD and ARM. I'd suspect they're still affected, considering they're so close to launch and the new wave of vulnerabilities have only been exposed recently. This makes it a bad time to shop for new CPUs, whoever makes them.
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It doesn't matter how many cores and GHz you put, all it matters is computing performance, aka performance per core, and in that field until now intel always had upper hand.
If AMD gets at least close to that, then we'll indeed celebrate. And I hope that they finally will, actual competition is better for all customers.
(Of course that applies to gaming mostly, because every normal sane software already uses all available CPU cores and doesn't have a bottleneck like majority of games, so if you're also doing other stuff on your PC like rendering movies, it's a very good pick)
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Nope, everything matters it depends on the usage, and in this case even with an 15% lower IPC (thay's the max difference in IPC vetween AMD and Intel and is narrowing down) I would chose more cored for the same price. Tve future is multithreaded.
with bigger Instructions Per Cycle differences the decission can be difficult
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Yea I don't get all the blind Intel love, I see the benchmarks showing +6% more single core performance for Intel and +40% more multi-core performance for Ryzen and scratch my head.
People bought Intel just trying to shit all over Ryzen because otherwise they might have to admit there is actual competition out there already and more to come.
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Sure, even the worst moment for AMD the differemce was not huge and building a good rounded AMD system could be cheaper than Intel counterparts at least if you did not wanted to mess with overclocking. I've even read hilarious comments claiming that AMD cpus had hardware faults that made some calculations to differ from Intel, clearly people comment without knowing. I've had intel and AMD systems over 25 years mainly depending on price/performance ratio and have been very happy with both of them.
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Me too. I am happy with whoever helps save me money for good performance. I don't need the bleeding edge, just need a pc that does what I need it to do.
I think the competition is great because it will lower prices on whatever chip I buy in the future, be it Intel or AMD. It's nice to be able to buy either and have either be a solid choice! xD
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Amd is ahead in lower and mid gpus just by having really cheap free-sync monitors. Plus these gpus perfom better than nvidia's one at the same price range.
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good to see amd pushing out numbers. it urges a cpu war which can only be good for the consumer.
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Well, it could be a good time to upgrade my old Phenom II :V
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Man if only i have da money, i would built a red-black themed amd pc and white-blue themed intel pc, sadly not and i only have amd pc for now :(
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my 32 bit 1150 processor is still alive in my old desktop
in 2 years i will make a desktop for VR, now a 960m and an I7 are enough
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Yea I saw this rumor yesterday, it's quite impressive if true.
I'm still on an older i5-4670 CPU, and at least for games its still fine. But It's good to know that when I do decide to upgrade there will be some nice options.
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and this is why healthy competition is healthy.
now amd needs to put out a nice gpu so nvidia can't fuck everybody over with 100% overpriced rtx vaporware.
i'm planning to get a 3rd gen ryzen for my sister next year so i can get my hands on her 'old' 1700X hue hue
my 4770K is nice and all but more is better!
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Intel is Dead!
HEIL RYZEN!!!
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