Read my post again, and notice how I used the word "spam"
I'd rather have the option to join a 100 GA's for killing floor or Red Faction then having hundreds of Crazy Machines, Phantom ops or Van Der Schmash DLC's being spammed on the site.
I'm not for or against adding those games too the bundle list, All I wass implying is: why would you only nerf the CV gained from the one site that has really good games and disregard the same type of store with the shitty games?
On another note, the GA's you're referring too were mostly given away for free, you just didn't know about it.
For example, Bioshock Infinite was given away for free on pax, and so was the new Tomb Raider (by AMD if I recall correctly) you could just take a handful of cards with keys or so I've heard.
The same goes for other AAA games, most of them were either pre-order bonuses (a rather new phenomenon, we have yet too see if that trend will continue) or other (mostly American) online stores, since we both live in Europe we just don't know about them.
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I really think they shouldnt be threated like that :) Atleast BTAs
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Edit your comment now...
I never said CV was flawless nor a good thing.
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Why not create a bundle list cut off depending on how the price relates to the contributor value.
For example, if the contributor value exceeds 15 times the price of the bundle -> bundle list.
That would work great with current bundles:
"Bad bundles"
Darksiders + Darksiders 2 ... = $110 + $7 CV vs. 15 x ~$7 = $105
Tripwire bundle = $70 CV vs. 15 x ~$3 = $45
Crazy Machines bundle = $20 CV vs $15
"Good bundles"
The Darkness 2 + Spec Ops = $60 CV vs. 15 x $5 = $75 (or exactly $60 when you have a discount code)
Also every Amazon bundle I think, too lazy to calculate ;)
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AND THE MODS MAKE ANOTHER WONDERFUL MOVE TO PISS EVERYONE OFF! GIVE THEM SOME APPLAUSE PEOPLE!
Instead of making the bundle system worse by the day, maybe try to improve it or replace it with a better system?
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I noticed, because I don't give away "real" games, nothing I say gets taken seriously. I don't know, but I'm not going to pay to be taken seriously on a forum that's a quarter nice people and three quarters assholes that complain about leeching.
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This change makes me quite happy. I'm unsure who you mean by EVERYONE
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Right. This thing is really suck. My steamgifts lust has gone. Far avay...
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Oh look, you like the fact that he has been cheated by a system that is burried deep within the faq, which is hidden at the bottom of the site and you might not ever see if you use the popular SG+. Not only that, they first publically stated that the system would NOT be used for these specific sales, yet they put them in later and reroll all the possible contributor value that they received.
This isn't just about people farming contributor value, this is also about people getting cheated out of contributor value that they have been clearly promised before. It's shit like this that makes me not contribute at all through the site. You'll lose the value anyways later.
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Back at my hometown we say:
Bona excusa tĂŠ el malalt que es pixa al llit i diu que sua
Roughly translated as: Good excuse has the ill person who pees while being in bed and says he's sweating
Take it as you wish
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I'm going to write a thread now and tell you what's wrong with the system and how we could change it.
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These should have been added to the bundle list on the first day. It's a dick move to bundle list them after saying that the games would not be added on.
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I do agree with you in that. Although I don't really know if anyone explicitally said they were not being added.
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This isn't the first time this has happened. CG personally told me that Nuclear Dawn would not be added to the bundle list then went back against his word a couple of months later. Note that I thought it should have been on the list in the first place and when I argued that it should be on the list, he said it would penalize too many users who didnt get it from the bundle and instead got it for free from the devs.
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I knew there had been some drama over that. I just mentioned it somewhere else.
And, well I dunno, I do consider the addition of those games a good thing, it's true that the way it's been done has not be the best but well, you don't really know how things will turn out to be until you experience them. I don't know.
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Yeah, one could infer that it's not going to be added as it really could be read as that. However as it's not been said explicitly one can clutch at that last straw.
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While I can agree that they should be added on 1st day, the one who tries to exploit system in any way must be ready that he may lose. Be it bundle game with 1:20 exchange ratio, exploited key, big giveaway on a site/fb or any other.
The other point is - if they added new bundle, and didn't add previous one it would be unfair towards ppl who gave new one. You would take from some and leave others free...
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This thing is a very big suck. Thanks for this...i need it, for my day gone badly. -.- If one user say before me: shitstorm...
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I'm confused as to what you're saying. My day was going well until I read this thread. Now it's GREAT! :D
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Thanks for your kindness. I wish simillar peoples around you.
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Of course you think it sucks. Why wouldn't you. You gave away:
Darksiders x6
Red Faction: Armageddon x4
Red Faction: Armageddon - Path To War x4
Red Orchestra x2
Red Orchestra 2 x3
Do you expect $308 contributor value? We all know you paid no more than $10 for all of that. You're exactly the type of people that caused this. You have no one to blame but yourself.
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Bundle or not bundle, who win this, dont interesting this thing. I think. If the people havent ~250$ value, have a little chance to win anything good stuff. I see. But i finish the komments here, i think. I want only chance, to win something smart game. Excuse me for this...
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Try understand this, or you try to speak hungarian. English is not my first languege.
My fail was this, if i want chance in this site, to win. Shortly summarize, and this new rule is suck, i think.
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So basically you want to invest $10 to get $250-300 contributor value and enter more exclusive giveaways that have less participants and higher chance of winning. But there is a flaw in your plan. You're not the only one exploiting that system and before you knew it, everyone would have contribution value in hundreds of dollars which would completely kill the point of your plan. Everyone would be still able to enter those "exclusive" giveaways and reduce chances of winning.
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My sin is horribly, yes. :) Only i see, if a lot of user "value" price reduced into a pathetic number was sick trick. We have different thinking about this. But i finished this mindless contention.
What are the constributors 200$ giveavays? Valhalla? :D Only rich guys can enough game give for this, but rich guys have what need to nice games for free? This is a little paradox. No matter. :)
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I personally am very happy with this decision and this would really stop all that contrib farming going on for last 1 week
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I've bought more than one and more than two games at full price, actually I've been the first in giving away a title.
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I could not care less about CV.
And cry me a river.
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It's been discussed over and over, the CV system it's flawled at its best.
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That does not work that way. Also wanna talk about your Perimeter. Shadow Harvest and that?
That does not benefit you? Right?
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Oh I've run out of space.
Yeah I do think that CV is not fair many times either and my two cents would be removing it entirely as it brings nothing but confrontation and problems to SG.
And I've been a bit asshole-ish too. Sorry for that. :)
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Why does it matter? First of all, MrC hasn't even won a single game from contributor value. Why should he care about it?
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I agree with the sentiment; games like Aquaria have only been in two bundles several years ago and have never had giveaways made for them. However, the unfortunate truth is that nobody's managed to get any sort of consensus on how to fix the system, or if it even needs fixing at all.
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Most people say it is flawed, so it probably needs some fixing, but as far as I can tell, it should be easier to get rid of the whole system instead of patching it a little bit here and there.
Just make an extra category in the "Create giveaway" menu for people, who contributed to the site. So we have public (nothing given), contributor (one game given), group and private giveaways.
The easiest method with the least bit of effort.
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Sales and bundles are not the same. In most bundles you can get several games practically for free. If you have a credit card, you can afford 90% of bundles out there. Easy as that. Just because it's highly likely that you have a dollar on two on that credit card.
On the other hand, sales have certain percentage off of original price and that alone makes them multiple times more expensive than bundles. As such, they're much less exploitable.
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It had to be done, it was at 300 pts every 30 minutes, people were going crazy. And it's a weekly sale, so it would've went on forever. And while I am kind of disappointed they took away from my legit one (granted it was right before THQ went bankrupt and started to do super sales on amazon), I figure fairs fair.
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personally I think the BTA games shouldn't go on the bundle list, to beat the average you pay the price of a really good sale that will show up somewhere as is, for normal bundles for humble, only the initial BTA shouldn't(as the bonus ones are given to early buyers even if they pay a dollar)
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you paid 3$ for games worth 70$? Thats ~96% sale (and I dont even take the soundtracks into account)
Just because you don't care for something from a bundle does not mean it isn't worth anything. You still have to calculate 3 for 70,not 3 for 40
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the average is usually around 7 or so, its only 2.90 because people spam bought the $1 bundle to giveaway
also you can check my giveaway history, its almost all below average stuff I didn't want/already had, or stuff that wasn't in a bundle
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the bundles with a BTA of 7 (which is not the average) have more games. YOu dont pay for just one game,you pay for the full bundle,leftover keys arent worth nothing just you dont like them. Also ppl often count oft the steam games only for the value,but there is usually desura,drm free and music,too.
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lol, it's all good, I had a feeling this was going to happen, so I'll check with my friends again, and if not, back to reddit with the random giveaways (it doesn't really matter which set of random people I give it to in the end). No fear, whenever I get something from amazon that isn't a bundle game, I'll continue to give it here.
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After deliberation among the staff and listening to community feedback, these have been added to the bundle list and will continue to be added as appropriate. There really isn't much difference between the "Weekly Sale" and a regular featured bundle, other than the duration (one week vs two) and the name.
Last week, when they decided not to add the bundle, it wasn't yet known what the future Humble Weekly Sales would look like. But having seen the new one this week, it was clear that these promotions are best treated like any other bundle.
As always, contribution values for bundle games are calculated based on the time they were available in a bundle. That means that even if a bundle that came out last week is added today, the giveaways between the start of that bundle and today will lose their value when the games are added in the list. This is sure to upset many people, but this rule has been in place ever since the bundle list was introduced and hasn't changed.
For more detailed information about the bundle list and how contribution values are calculated, see this thread.
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