Look at this avatar, there he is, the 15 yo fat polish kid lol
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I buy from Kinguin.net The keys are all legit, and the customer support is great. I highly recommend it.
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Kinguin are part of the same network called 7-entertainment. They all resell bundle keys and tell users to activate region locked keys via VPN. They're legitimate to everyone except the publishers whose games they're selling, and to the platforms of the games they're selling for whom they advise their customers to break the terms of service of (Steam, Origin, etc.).
And @OP - because they don't get the games from the publishers nor do they work with Valve/(companies' platforms that the keys activate on), they lack the ability to revoke or refund. They're just a largescale Ebay seller that's making partnerships with people under the guise that they're a full store, but they're just ordering bulk cd-keys from random Russians. All of their partnerships are based on deception from them hiding their misconduct from everyone and euro kids not caring.
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I wonder if they do their taxes right. I assume, notsumuch.jpg. Prolly don't even have a registration with their local trade office, nor have anything else official about them.
Maybe someone should sic the IRS equivalent of whatever country they're based in on them.
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I guess they are thinking: When we are already a shady key reseller, why not go full shady? Sell bundle games, sell region locked stuff and link your custumers to VPN clients, etc! And your (shady) custumers know that and could just chargeback and try to scam you (or just didn't understand what a region lock is) so you have to sort them out to get your money. So they go full retard there.
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I remember some people in this forums stating that the next big "gaming industry crash" gonna happen because of all those bundle sites; bundles, bundles everywhere nowadays.
But in fact, I think, sites like G2A (and others with same principle gonna cause it). Just think about it. You can't buy the new hits in the bundles, so everyone buys it at these fucker key resellers (bundle keys, china physical copies, etc).
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There's probably going to be an indie crash, and it's going to happen because of a combination of things. 10 different bundle sites selling 3 new bundles a week each all for the low price of $1, Greenlight abuse, key resellers, too many new games coming out every day to even scratch the surface and see what's good, and general whorish attitude of a lot of gamers. Keys are expected to sell for 10 cents each now, and that's not livable for indie developers.
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For some it is,I can imagine. Take the rogue legacy devs for an example. They've done their marketing/sale strategies really well: They sell their game months after release only 66% instead of 75% off and still get to be in the top selling games.
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Oh definitely, if you already have a top selling game under your belt you'll probably going to be able to survive the crash. I'm happy that some of my favorite devs are going to be able to keep making games if they want to. Any devs that are just starting out or haven't made a hit game yet are going to get plowed under though, that's basically already happened.
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I know they've been making games for the past 5 years, this was their first full PC game. I'm glad a few good games are going to make it through every year, but most indie games are going to get noticed anymore.
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Being an indie developer never was a fairy tale and yeah, I know I should have described what I wanted to tell with more words, but I was just lazy. :D
What I meant is, indie games are usually cheap and have a tighter audience anyway. So, selling them in bundles and dirt cheap (after like 4-6 months! when they already got the 90+% of the money they will ever get for that game) is nothing bad; in some cases even profitable. (Also, if you make a "bad" indie game, you shouldn't expect huge sales.)
BUT selling Watch Dogs (example) way cheaper than the official seller sells it, because you buy russian/chinese/brazil dvds (just an example on key reselling, I don't know how G2A sells his watch dogs etc. etc.) might cause huge damage in the industry, because these sites literally stop the money flow to the people who made the game. There is even a guy on twitch, one of the most popular streamers btw, who displays his G2A link/ promotes G2A on his stream 24/7. People actually think, G2A is the most legit thing in the universe.
Anyway, in my opinion, if there ever gonna be a next crash it has to be because of these sites, internet and digital distribution is everything nowadays; just the bundles are not enough.
I hope, I'm gonna be wrong and nothing's gonna happen.
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That's how bundling worked a year or two ago. The way it works now is that games are bundled immediately after launch or to get through Greenlight for dirt cheap because there's no way for your game to get noticed anymore. AAAs are going to do fine even if a million sales get stolen from under their feet. Indies are the ones who can't make anything anymore, unless they ave a previous hit or they make something mind-blowing.
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I have bought Watch Dogs and another game that i don't remember, and no problems so far.
I always buy from the website, not the resellers and community.
Knocking wood...
Have a nice day :)
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keys from bundles sites that say you cant resell them id imagine, people confuse terms of service with laws ive found, they can put any old crap in the TOS and till somones sued using that particular clause successfully its about as binding as the rules of fight club
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Hey man, you don't talk about fight c-Oh wait, I see you're point.
But anyway... I'm pretty sure the TOS of bundle sites and such state re-distribution of any kind, not just the re-selling of individual keys.
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they do indeed say such a thing but thats not the point, companies dont make laws the state does, a law is debated in parliment signed into law by the queen where i am and breaking it is illegal, breaking a private companies rules might have consequences but they are not legalally enforcable by the police just because the company says so
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I've made $40 off of G2A.. I dont know what the hell you guys are smoking.
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i bought over 10 games from G2A. hell , i even just bought DarkSouls 2 for 35% off. only complaint is the long waiting time to get to speak to customer service , which is the only way to get your key if you used their security shield(g2a dont own most of the games , they just sell them for the community for cut )
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it's so funny to hear this argument over and over again. "i bought 2 games, no problems". "i bought 10 games, worked fine". of course most keys work fine. if they didn't, the site would not exist anymore. but that doesn't proof at all, that the site is legit. it's not. it's an unauthorized key reseller. that means you have no idea where the keys come from. they certainly don't come directly from the publishers. you just don't know what you buy there. they even offer you region locked stuff and try to trick you into VPN activation, which means that you risk your steam account. yes, yes, most of the time VPN activation works without consequences. but valve may change its mind about this every second. if you use an authorized reseller like GMG, Gamersgate or whatever, you are guaranteed to get a proper key. with G2A and the other shady resellers, you will always have a risk. even if it's below 1% and most of the time everything is fine, you can't deny there definitely is the risk of not getting what you want or even getting in trouble.
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funny thing is: Im currently member of a steam trading group on fb, whose founder seems to be one of the staff member of G2A (for obvious reason, I wont link his personal infos here). From what i have seen, he was quite nice and casual but thats just me
Beside, as harsh as it sounds: the whole key market is about profit. Many people do cross some lines while doing so and some even the risk of selling stolen goods. Is it normal? not really. Will it ever stop? Nah, very likely not.
Businesses are not charity driven, thats something ppl need to realise. The only difference is the way that some people are willing to cross ethical and legal limits to get a huge income from it. Dont kid yourself thinking that other so called official businesses are any better because they are not.
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Well, any better. Yes. Not selling Humble, stolen or grey keys is better. That is the difference between official businesses and these shady outfits.
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I was scammed today by this fishy site. I've also seen that many people know about this but nobody does nothing.
Research + experience:
And let's not forget: http://www.steamgifts.com/forum/8zRws/devolver-digital-in-an-open-war-with-g2a
I really hope someone like Humble Bundle will hit them hard very soon.
P.S. Sorry for the topic but I'm so pissed at them.
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