I just made my first giveaway, was gonna trade sniper elite but then traded that for 2 keys. Used one that I already had Facepalm(Was gonna make a little puzzle) But the other one i didn't have. Just feels awesome.
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If you use a key that you already have, you should get a "Product already owned" warning. If that's the case, then the key is still valid.
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The best feel is when you give away something you really really love playing to someone else.
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Making others happy is the best thing a person can do in life. There's also no greater joy IMO than making someone else happy.
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Yea it really is, but then you get a ton of shit because the game you contributed didn't cost enough, get labeled a "leecher" and a horrible member of the community. I still have some bundle keys left over and wouldn't be opposed to buy a bundle, but if I get nothing but shit from the community, I just keep on leeching
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Nobody cares if you contribute bundle games. Well, some people may say something if you've only given bundle games. But who cares? People are winning them, and hopefully happy about it. As long as you don't care about the contributor value max, why let a few bad eggs stop you from making people, along with yourself, happy?
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I would call it more than a "few bad eggs". Whenever I would get involved in the community, I would get called out for it. I see it happen a ton of times on the forums as well.
Whenever someone contributes a full bundle for the first time, but does it with separate giveaways, he only gets 30$ of contributor value. You wouldn't know that you were limited to that number unless you read the entire faq, which is only linked on the bottom of the website and is even harder to find if you have Steamgifts+, or someone told you about it.
So he makes a forum thread so he knows why this happens. On that thread is a ton of people hating on this guy because "it is clear" that the guy wanted to farm contributor value off cheap bundle games. Sometimes this is true, but I think most of the times they are just badly informed and I feel like the site actually cheats them out of contributor value. You could get over 30$ of contributor value if you made a giveaway of the full bundle, but if you give away every game separately, you max out at 30$. When you look at the number of "leech-blocked" giveaways, this actually makes a difference. People always assume people want to farm value, even though I think this isn't always true.
I also have trouble with the bundle system. If I were to contribute a bundle, I would rather give away the separate keys to different people, because people usually want a couple of games in the bundle and not the entire thing. This would mean that I could make 5 or 10 people happy instead of 1. I'm not less happy when I win a bundle game that with another game and I've enjoyed bundle games more than some other regular games. But if this means getting hated by "a few bad eggs", then why should I even bother doing it?
Besides the contributor system being completely broken (90% off a game is still considered full value if it happens on steam, but once it happens on one of the bundle websites it gets marked as a bundle game), I get hated by the community for the ideas I have, and contributing to that community just seems crazy to me.
EDIT: And 2 lovely people below that prove my point once more.
EDIT 2: Can't tell if the third guy is here to hate on me too, or just to confirm that I'm not a complete scumbag...
EDIT 3: sigh
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The ones who tend to post on the threads asking about the $30 contribution value are awfully tired of seeing the same thread constantly. Can you really blame them? The bundle policy and the asterisks in the giveaway list should be more clearly defined and explained, there's no doubt about it. Nothing anyone but those in charge of SG can do though, so taking it out on users isn't exactly fair.
The bundle system, again, is in the control of those who made the site, yet you're using it as a reason to not give back to those whose giveaways you've been entering for months now. So break up the bundles, make a bunch of people happy. If making them happy is what's important, the contrib value shouldn't matter. That, or I guess you could just keep insisting everyone hates you, keep entering giveaways, and not put anything into the community. Boy, things would go downhill quick if everyone thought that way, wouldn't it?
I think it seems crazier to not give back to such a great community because of some annoyed people on the forums.
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I can blame them. Can you imagine what happens to those people? The find this site, which at first glance looks awesome, so they contribute to the community, but because of a weird system that never got explained to them, they're getting yelled at. They want to partake in this community, but get scuffed at because something was not explained to them at all.
The bundle system I've tried to bring up to mods in here, and I've gotten kicked from the SG chat for it and whenever I get through to someone, they say that the system isn't perfect, but "what system is?". It's been infuriating discussing this system with members of the community.
Also, I've been making people happy with games for a while now. I ask my friends if they want a game, and if they do they are really happy. I've made people happy before, and also some people in the chat randomly. Because there is nothing to see on the site in way of my contributions, doesn't mean I don't contribute. I've stopped contributing on the site, because it'll probably go to people that dislike me and my ideas anyways. Instead, I look for people that could use a game and aren't completely filled with hatred against me.
These games are all bundle games, but I haven't heard a single person complain about that fact and one of them even played a game I gave them for 250 hours and counting. They are 100% happy, whatever I give them, and I won't get shit from them because I didn't pay enough for those games.
So in short, I've been giving back to members of this community, and I enjoy chatting with the people who give away games (if they can be bothered, because most of the time it's just an email with the code), but with the main community thinking like that, I just chat with those that actually like talking to me and playing with me and give them the spare keys I have.
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Well see, so you have been giving back to the community, why did you say you'd be crazy to do so, as if you're not doing it? You're quite a confusing person to have a conversation with. I can see how people would have problems communicating with you. It sounds like you need to take a couple extra looks at what you're writing before you post it, because you're having problems getting your message across clearly.
I'm not trying to attack you or anything, I just hate to see someone with such a sour outlook on the community, not everyone is lumped into this group of "haters". They're their own sub-section of the SG community, yes, but they're not the entire community. Putting all your attention on them and letting it get to you so much is just giving them what they want.
Eh, maybe I'm talking to a wall here, but I sure hope something I say will sink in. This will likely be my last post in this thread, but you're welcome to hit me up if you would like to chat some more. I'm always sitting around bored. :-)
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The first message was written at like 1 am, and a little later I realised I actually contribute. Still, most probably won't consider it contributing to the community as I only give games to friends, and a couple of them are from here. I think I wanted to get across that the most public and accessible part of the community is reacting badly to whatever I do and is mostly hateful against "leechers". I want it to be better, but whenever I try to talk about the contributor system, I get ignored because I only gave away free games (even though I gave bundle games) and I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.
Also, I'm not a wall, you did make some good points, but I've found a way to make people happy without getting hated upon. I still enter giveaways, because I'm happy whenever I win something, and because I think that's the whole point in my eyes, I am not doing anything wrong.
Also, these messages are incredibly long, so I usually don't bother reading them again, which sometimes means that I'm not getting across what I want to get across. So sorry if I was a bit confusing.
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Some people will always hate and complain. Don't worry about it.
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Usually, people mostly reacts when the "bundlers" complains about their contributor value. If you've looked at the threads explaining how the bundle value is calculated, you've seen that it was a complicated process getting to where we are now and that from the various possibilities it was the best possible course of action. Heck, before that change bundle games were simply forbidden on the site and could get you suspended.
No system is perfect, indeed, but I think this is a good compromise. Although, I agree it should be made more obvious how things work, maybe a link to the explanation thread from the giveaway creation page or something.
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Personally, I don't think this system is a good compromise. I'd rather see a system where you are limited by the additional value you can get due to sales, not based on where the game is sold or the production value of games. I've seen games that were basically 90% off on indie gala (50$ value, 5$ cost) , yet the get put into the "bundle game" category, while games sold on steam or GMG at 90% still get the full value.
Also, the 30$ limit is very limiting to what you want to give away. The bundles are my main source of games, and I find some great games in there, like VVVVVV or The Binding of Isaac. I love these games and they would be the first to be given away by me, but why should I give them away on here, where I will be hated for only giving away bundle games and I won't be able to join any more giveaways?
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The main problem with bundles is that people would buy a bunch of them (often for $1 each) and spam them on the site to farm contribution value. Of course, people like you who cannot give much more than those are the ones getting penalized because of the abusers.
You can still get contributor value from bundle games as long as you give mostly non-bundle games. The first $25 of bundle games is counted as non-bundle, and the rest is counted up to 20% of your non-bundle contributions. Giving away for $75 worth of non-bundled games (this can be achieved with less than $20 from sales) will allow you to get contribution value for $45 worth of bundle games.
I don't think you will get any hate from most people for giving only bundle keys, except for a select few who will always find a reason to bitch about others. The main goal of the site was to be able to give for the sake of giving. The contributor's giveaways were added as a way to thank the people who were generous enough to give games away. At the time, bundle games were strictly forbidden anyway due to their TOS preventing breaking up the bundles apart so they were a non-issue. It was just becoming too much work policing them by deleting every bundle giveaway so the contribution cap was introduced and bundle games were then allowed.
Basically, consider yourself lucky that you actually have the opportunity to gain contributor value at all from bundle games and if you want to gain more, just pick the occasional game on sale.
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I have gotten a ton of hate for only giving away bundle keys, it's crazy. People assume everyone is trying to farm contributor value, instead of actually liking the games they're giving away. Also, aren't bundles basically games on a crazy sale? If you want to limit the value you could farm from bundles, fine, but don't set a maximum if you only contribute bundle games.
Also, a ton of people don't have free access to a CC, so I wouldn't be able to get most sales because they don't last for too long. Worse though, is that I would be giving away games that I don't like just so I could get more contributor value.
Maybe I'm lucky, but it sure as hell doesn't feel that way, with a constant flow of hate and the straight wall at 20% of your non-bundle contributions. It's sad that the honest bundle lovers amongst us are getting hate and no contribution value, although in some way understandable. But please, limit the value you can get to 15% or 10%, but don't put up a wall based on the "real" contributions.
Also, maybe I am lucky, but changing the system on the site wouldn't change anything to the bundle sellers. It's a thing that only matters to people on this site.
Hopefully you understand what I'm trying to get at.
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Made several bundle giveaways and noticed my contributor value wasn't going up, so I ask on the forums and, of course, get labelled a "leecher".
Some people are such douchebags.
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You've dug your own grave here. The fact that you want to gift them through Steamgifts is the problem. No one is forcing you to use Steamgifts to give those bundle games away. If you were giving them away for the right reasons, you would just post the keys in the forum, or send them to your friends. Coming up with reasons like "getting labeled a leecher", is a poor excuse to hide your real reason for giving; to gain contributor value. You're on this site for the wrong reasons if you care that much about contributor value.
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1) I do send them to friends. I sent a friend the Bastion key, which at the time was the only BTA bonus, so I payed 4$ extra, but if I were to give it away on here, I'd gain nothing. Still, sending keys to friend or dropping them in chats is not visible on here, so whenever I try to interact on this site, I get labeled a leecher.
2) I am not here to farm contributor value, because there are some decent ways to do it (Zomby2D illustrated this above, you can only pay 20$ in money but still get 150$ or something). I like giving away stuff to make people happy, but when there is a contributor system in place, I feel cheated when I don't get that which I deserve. At this moment, I've got too much contributor value for what it's actually worth, but if I were to buy 10 indie gala BTA bundles at 4$ each, I'd still have 30$, even though I deserve way more.
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Bundle games aren't the best things to give away though. I don't have a problem with people who give away bundle games, because at least they're still contributing. But if you're expecting to get noticed as being "generous", give away more valuable games or less common games. After all, if someone really wanted the bundle games, they would just buy the cheap bundle. No one "deserves" the contributor value on their accounts. Almost everyone buys games when they go on sale, so complaining about not getting the deserved contributor amount is pointless.
Hopefully contributor value will cease to exist in the near future. I've never liked it.
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So what your saying is that I should give away games based on their price and only give away games that no one else gives away because no one else likes them? I don't know, but I'll just keep judging them on fun and creative value.
Also, not everyone can access a CC freely, so they can't always buy bundles. You might not understand that, but some people can't buy bundles, even if they really want it.
Everyone who contributes, deserves contributor value. Isn't that the whole point? You contribute and others can thank you for contributing by the contributer giveaways?
Everyone does buy games when they go on sale, yet only the ones included in the bundles get limited. 90% on steam? All good! 80% on Indie Royale? YOU FING LEECHING PIECE OF S! People that contribute anything, even free games, deserve contributor value, because it had value to someone else, the people that enter the giveaways. You could argue how much people deserve, but you can't say people that buy bundle games don't deserve contributor value.
I love your respect and clearly understand what I'm trying to get across. Love you <3
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Excuse me for being blunt, but what I'm saying is, you should consider giving away games that people actually want every once in a while. I doubt there are many that get excited to see yet another bundle game. I'm well aware that there are people out there who don't have credit/debit cards, but realistically what percentage do you think that is? I'm willing to bet that most of those kids I mean, individuals, will do more taking than giving, which by definition, is a leech. If you want to help out leeches, go ahead.
I've never agreed with the contributor system. Contribution value was created as an incentive for people to make giveaways. Now it's become the bane of Steamgifts with people farming contributor value left and right by giving away lots of shitty games that no one really wants. But people still enter because they just want to win something. Before the contribution value came along, I saw all giveaways as acts of generosity because people were giving without expecting anything in return. Now I see some giveaways as inferior to others and it angers me that some people care about self gain rather than the act of giving.
I completely disagree with contributor value being given to free games. People will exploit the fuck out of that and get into the high level giveaways after spending next to nothing. Or join the less experienced groups to leech. What about the people who actually think about what they're giving away? The people who want to make other's happy? Steamgifts needs people like that rather than contributor focused bundle boys. But this is the world we live in unfortunately.
A true act of kindness can only flourish when the incentive is for selfless reasons.
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If taking more than you give is leeching, then you're turning the site into steamtrades: You donate 50$ worth of games, you get 50$ worth of games. Also, people actually want these games, because a ton of people are buying these bundles. Like regular games, some people can't buy them but could win them, so they enter giveaways. Maybe a game becomes undesirable to you once they go in a bundle, but I keep having the same amount of fun with a game that is inside a bundle, and I love seeing games that I love given away so much because it's in a bundle.
I also wish that the contributor system changes, because the farmers could possibly benefit from it while other honest people that give away for fun. I get what it's trying to do, but it gets used a lot just to get more bundles. You see giveaway groups pop up all over the place, which require regular giveaways. This means you have to give away games to get games, and the fun of giving away is gone.
Also, why do you bring up the people who want to make others happy, yet if I like to give away an awesome game that happens to be in a bundle, you think I'm being a leecher?
Anyways, can we agree that the contributor system is highly flawed? It encourages giving away games that you personally don't like, just to get more contributor value. I think it's too late though, there are an insane number of people on here and most giveaways on here are for gaining contributor value, and if you were to take away the contributor value system, a ton of people would get mad because they can't join exclusive giveaways anymore and the giveaway number would plumit to the ground because, sadly, the number of giveaways on here that are created only to gain contrib value is very high.
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I never once called you a leecher. Perhaps you should give away more games to balance things out, but that's up to you. I'm not going to argue about people's desire to own bundle games. I made my point, and this is just going in a circle now.
There are several reasons why I don't involve myself with public giveaways anymore. You've mentioned a few of them, but overall, it's just too busy. My contributions to the community as a whole, are done in the forum now. I think that getting rid of the contributor system would be a good step in the right direction and I do believe it would get rid of a lot of the farmers. The leechers however, would still remain. There's no way to accurately judge who they are and the site would suffer due to it's inevitable Nazi purging process to punish them.
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Yep, that's why I give what I can when I can and when I want
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It feels good making a F5 giveaway and making many people suffer. :3
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It does when you are able to add them on steam and they seem truly happy about it but then again there are some people that disgust you and make you stop doing public giveaways by doing something like "you should give away cs:go for your next one". Not even a thank you or anything. Clearly just entering for the sake of inflating steam library.
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I don't know if it's just me, but even gifting 3 dollar games feel good.
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