[This is a necroed thread created Oct 2015]

I recently switched (reluctantly) from doing mostly Level 1 and 2 public giveaways to Level 4. Filing support tickets after almost each giveaway (after doing the needful of course) isn't my idea of fun, and I was hoping Level 4 giveaways would reduce the number of regifters and other questionable winners. Unfortunately the results aren't much better, if at all. In the 9 Level 4 public giveaways I created this week, I had to file 7 requests for new winners, 6 of which were approved. Not good.

Let's see if Level 4 Invite-only works better...

[Update: All ended]
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/OQx4m/ludwig
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/5CH9j/starfence
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/TG6Cc/the-joylancer-legendary-motor-knight
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ZwSpe/alum
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/ZPpui/loren-the-amazon-princess
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/SnC54/pixel-piracy
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/GMqzj/summoner
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/o6R7p/fort-defense
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/CNsRb/street-racing-syndicate

And no, as tempting as it is, I'm not going to switch to whitelist-only giveaways. I just want to find a reliable way to get good, honest, decent winners. Puzzles are not the answer either, as I empathize with other users who, like me, can't solve most of them. Other suggestions?

A couple of notes about the poll:

  1. If you're not using Windows, choose the option that's closest to what you do (e.g. replace Ctrl with Cmd for Mac).
  2. If you're not interested in any of the games, vote for the method you would use if you were.

Update: The 9 Level 4 invite-only giveaways linked above went much better than the public ones. Only 1 request for a new winner (which was denied, as the user already served suspension for the (relatively minor) infraction). 1 out of 9 is much much better than 7 out of 9, so perhaps not all hope is lost. Now let's see how my 9 whitelist giveaways end. Anything other than 0 reroll requests would be a disappointment, but let's see... Update #2 And indeed my whitelist did not disappoint. No reroll requests needed in any of the 9 giveaways.

9 years ago*

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How do you open the links to the giveaways?

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In the same window/tab, by clicking the link
In the same window/tab, by double-clicking the link
In a new tab, by holding Ctrl when clicking the link
In a new tab, by pressing the mouse wheel
In a new tab, by right-clicking the link and selecting the new tab option
In a new window, by right-clicking the link and selecting the new window option
In a new window, by holding Shift when clicking the link
Dan Quayle does it for me

Invite only in the way to go. Public, of any level, tends to work out poorly, while Invite Only giveaways seem to end up much smoother, even if its Level 1 (or even 0) giveaways. Plus, it rewards people for actually going into the forums and making some kind of attempt at being part of the community.

9 years ago
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you just have to accept some users made mistakes (unactivated gifts) and they won't try to fix them, they paid their infraction with a suspension.

and... getting suspended for not delivering games isn't worth it. if you want to follow the rules, you have to send the gifts.
just remember that if people don't change their habits and keep regifting stuff, they will end up banned. so take those gifts you send as sacrifices to ban offenders. :3

9 years ago
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Everything you say makes perfect sense, and as someone who considers himself to be a mostly-rational person it should be easy to adopt. But it's not. It just feels wrong delivering anything of value to people who could very easily pay for their infractions the right way - by activating those games. I think whitelist-only giveaways are indeed the only way to go, and I'm a bit saddened by this.

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I use mmb to open in a new tab or if there is a group I want to open I right click drag with the Snap Links Lite extension (I use it on chrome but I'm sure there are others on other browsers).

Thanks for the giveaways/poll :)

9 years ago
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Any time something is being offered, there will be people who attempt to abuse the system. Putting in barriers just slows them down, it doesn't stop them. There is no barrier that can absolutely stop all cheaters. It's in the nature of cheaters - they'll cheat to get around the barriers too. Since there's a CV system with 10 levels, they'll cheat until they're level 10.

From many generations of experience, it's now known that disincentives work far better than crackdowns, but crackdowns are far more popular. However, neither will remove the problem completely. Because CV is a type of currency here on Steamgifts. And with currency comes crime. (Rules-breaking, in this case.) Infractions which continue to multiply if left unchecked, and thus they must be policed. And with policing comes a reports system and bureaucracy in order to find those committing infractions. And with a reports system comes the need for reporting to be done by good citizens like you.

And so the cycle continues.

9 years ago
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In a new tab, by pressing the mouse wheel button! :D (and then I close the tabs in the same way)

9 years ago
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In a new tabs, by right-clicking the link and selecting the new tab option. holding the right-click on all the links I want to open.

9 years ago
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I'm only level 3 yet, so too bad for me.
I never had to reroll yet. Maybe I'm just totally lucky? But I do have blacklisted nearly every winner, because not saying thank you in any way is a total nogo for me.

9 years ago
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Is there some hidden list of extreme rules that were broken or something? 7 re-rolls in 9 giveaways is a bit much!

Or maybe you're just a leech magnet! XD

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In my experience, most rerolls are for duplicate wins and non-activated wins.

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Good luck... I changed to making whitelist/group giveaways only...
Thanks for the gibways... :)

9 years ago
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And here I thought I was the only one who did the mouse-wheel click thing. Of course, the problem then is that you end up with 12 tabs open at any one time.

9 years ago
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depends what device I'm on :D: on my station it's usually mousewheel, on my laptop it's ctrl+click and on qandroid it's hold-till-menu-appears-and-choose-open-in-new-tab :>

9 years ago
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Oh, look, somebody has sweets attached to their user name. Happy days-of-registration-are-dividable-with-365-without-fraction day!

9 years ago
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I'm afraid you will never be able to avoid the kind of people you're trying to avoid. You might reduce their number, but they'll be there always.

Also yea, clicking the mouse wheel. I open pretty much all the links that way, even if I don't plan to return to the source page again. Cursed be the pages where that doesn't work because their menu system is some javascript piece of potato. Also I would like to curse pages where wheel-clicking OPENS THE LINK IN THE SAME TAB (in addition to opening a new tab) ... I mean, really, guys.. I pressed the middle button because I WANT THIS TAB TO STAY THE SAME. One offender I can think of is Rotten Tomatoes. I just disabled all scripts from their site through uMatrix, but that isn't a perfect solution.

Sorry for venting off about my clicking habits.

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mouse wheel +1

9 years ago
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You are missing an option:

In a new tab, by using a mouse gesture (holding right click, pulling the mouse down)

What from the poll shall I choose now? ;-)

9 years ago
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the potato hidden one.

9 years ago
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You mean "potatoe" option (that's what Dan Quayle prefers).

9 years ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
I wish you were brazilian to hear by your native language that our president said once:

  1. stock up wind
  2. saluting cassava
  3. we become homo sapiens and woman sapiens

Comparing with yours, I think we are winning...

9 years ago
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Well at least your president is amusing and Dan Quayle was too. I live in Israel and our prime minister is just full of sh!t. I wouldn't mind if he'd be funnier occasionally.

9 years ago
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I can see a pattern... I'm pretty sure this is a trend among politicians. :O
we were always fucked up by politics but at least we will laugh sometimes from now on.

9 years ago
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If I win I always mark relieved and never regift

9 years ago
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Ctrl for me most of the time -- I've had left/right movement on the middle mouse wheel bound to forward/back on the browser and file explorer windows for years and the wheel's gotten too finicky over time to trust it.

9 years ago
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"puzzles are not the answer either"
that's why I'm your damn f*$%@# big fan.

due constant level drop... you may not find some people anymore but rich. :(
but I'm really interested in the answer that you're looking for...
I always get myself divided when I'm about to assign the giveaway level.

pool: since I'm on notebook, when mouse, wheel click. when pad, ctrl click.

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I am actually planning one puzzle for the beer thread. I should have done that when I created it, but was abroad and didn't have the time. In any case it won't be difficult and I need to first find a way to only let solvers with a clean rap sheet in. Not sure how to do that yet...

Bottom line: I don't consider puzzles to be even a remote solution for this problem, but I wouldn't rule out doing an occasional fun puzzle. Not the ones that make you want to smash the screen.

9 years ago
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Middle click wins again.
Maybe give it away to friends that you know will appreciate and play the game?
I think white list is the option. It's the only way I could be judge, jury, and executioner.

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Middle click is my friend.

9 years ago
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"Bad" winners taper off dramatically around level 5.

I am fortunate, however, in that lower-level giveaways are a useful tool to hand out suspensions to those who need one. It's like throwing your fishing net into the water.... D

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We'll see about that soon enough...

9 years ago
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Out of curiosity, are there (anonymous) stats that show the number and kind of support interventions/CV level?

9 years ago
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Not that I am aware.

Time for work. Later...

9 years ago
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Thank you for answering and there was nothing hidden in my question. Just old fashioned curiosity as I recently seen a graph with number of SG users/CV level. :-)

http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/XaCbA/list-of-all-cv-levels-and-their-corresponding-real-cv

9 years ago
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Where can I see that graph? I saw it once but forgot how to get to it >.<

9 years ago
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Afair CG posted it once. It was one-time query

9 years ago
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The 9 Level 4 invite-only giveaways linked in the OP went much better than the public ones. Only 1 request for a new winner (which was denied, as the user already served suspension for the (relatively minor) infraction). 1 out of 9 is much much better than 7 out of 9, so perhaps not all hope is lost. Now let's see how my 9 whitelist giveaways end. Anything other than 0 reroll requests would be a disappointment, but let's see...

9 years ago
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I wish you luck!
And actually, it's a good experiment, I think.

9 years ago
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Part #2 of the experiment is complete. No reroll requests needed in 9 whitelsit giveaways. It's the clear (and expected) winnner, but 9 Level 4 invite-only was (surprisingly) almost trouble free...

9 years ago
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Good! =)
It seems that the combination of "invite only"+Level 4 gets good results. It requires a) being Level 4+ and b) finding the topic among other discussions. Also the fact that from the topic itself it's clear that anyone with multiple-wins/non-activated wins would be rerolled without hesitation helps, too, I think.
But I doubt it's failproof. At least you have found that this particular combination has good results.
Congrats on your whitelist giveaways being clear, too! =)
And thank you for publishing the results of your experiments.

9 years ago
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What about forum giveaways which are not level 4+? Have you tried that? I think it would be a good data point, to see how reliable lower level forum users are.

9 years ago
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I didn't have many invite-only giveaways, but I did have to request a new winner for a couple that were Level 1+.

9 years ago
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Multi-Links 3.0.0.19.1

But then you blacklisted me for whatever reason. Jerk!

9 years ago
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But then you blacklisted me for whatever reason. Jerk!

I don't remember the reason, but it should be easy to guess...

9 years ago
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I demand a duel to the death for this grave insult.

9 years ago
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I checked my recent train using sgtools (I'm a naive user so didn't do it before). None of the winners were marked as having obviously non-redeemed games (though some were marked for DLC, etc., which the site told me could be normal), except one, and that was because of a private profile.

What's your criterion for a reroll? Is it more strict than what I checked here?

9 years ago
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I just use sgtools.info to check winners for unactivated wins and multiple wins of the same game, and if anything comes up I double check it manually.

9 years ago
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I use the mouse wheel and for multiple links I have an add-on that allows to select an area by holding the right mouse button which detects and opens every link in the select area.

8 years ago
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