Should this be punished?
Not punished but I feel that the gift goes wasted if it will never be played. Hence I try to compete the games I win in timely manner. Still have some left. Also, that is the reason why I mostly skip EA games as I desire to play them once they have been finished. Better let someone else enjoy the early fun instead of keeping it dusted in my library till the release.
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I finally decided I should pick up your Spelunky gift from 7 months ago after it got bundled.
I'm seriously addicted. What a great game.
Sometimes, I wish I had more time in the day to play all these amazing games.
Thank you again, tubberware - and sorry it took so long :)
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No need to be sorry. Nice to hear that you enjoyed it!
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Backlog is the main reason I cut my entries in GAs by 90%.
Let's say I win Fallout 3, I know for sure that one day (maybe after 2 years even) I will play the game. If a person is going to play it right now and I'm going to play it in 2017, why should I be excluded from entering? We both are going to try it out so why him and not me?
I think you were referring to those famous "game collectors" that add games to library without trying them out. I will never understand that I swear! Why would you ever fill your library with crappy games?
I personally enter only games that I think I will play some day, but unless I tell you directly that, you can't know why someone joins GAs that doesn't play in reasonable time. This is why I think it's a bad idea.
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I really don't care if people play the games i giveaway. I'm giving it away, if they respect SG rules i couldn't care less if they play it or not for several reasons.
I'm not a cop , i don't care who wins the game as long as they respect the rules, i won't check if they played or not and i don't want to.
People play the games they want whenever they feel like playing the games, i don't get to decide that for them just because i gave them the game.
The fact that i gave them the game doesn't give me the right to control their gaming life.
I have games that i bought and never played for several reasons, it can be due to time constraints , it can be because i don't feel like it and it can be because some friend calls me to play another game.
That being said you can blacklist whoever you want for whatever reason you can remember, this just seems one of those strange reasons.
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I said it once and I'll say it again, in today's reality people are working, going to school or just don't have time to play games. By putting this rule would make this very unfair due to low winning chances. Because that would piss off the winner.
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I only enter for games i intend to play,but even though i only have a bit over 500 games,i simply do not have time to play every one of them all the time.
That being said,the way i see it,when you give something that great,but to tell someone what they should do with the it is a bit to far if you ask me.It is like buying a car for someone,then saying damn i should have never wasted my money you never drive the damn thing.It is not you who gets to decide how often they should drive and when.
Same can be said for games people win,how does it give you the right to demand they play the game and play it often .if they should be blocked from future GA's for not playing previous wins..There are risk when making a giving away you better learn to deal with them or move on.You could ask people who really intend to play it to enter,but in the end it is up to the person who enters when and if they play it.
The risk of making a GA..
It may get re-gifted...
They may already own the game..
They may just enter for game count..
They may never play the game...
And so on...
I guess in the end though you could check winners and blacklist ones who have not played previous wins,though as a lot said about the VAC issues,sure there will be people on both side of this fence.
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This sort of mentality is somewhat akin to the jigsaw killer.
"You don't appreciate life enough, so you should die." ->
"You don't play/appreciate your wins enough, so you should be punished."
Who are you to say I don't appreciate my wins? You don't know my mind. For that matter, who are you to say how much is "enough" appreciation? The whole premise is based on arbitrary nonsense.
This is just an exaggeration of course. I know they're not quite the same, and I'm not saying anyone is like a serial killer.
Me, I have a large library, and I sometimes worry that I superficially look like a 'hoarder'. However, I only enter giveaways for games that I'm interested in playing. I've had some wins that I haven't gotten around to playing yet (for software reasons in some cases), but I absolutely plan on playing them in the future.
I don't hold the winners of my GAs to any standard aside from those needed to enter. While I hope they will play it, it's their game now, and what they do with it is their business.
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December 29, 2011. Bought Mafia. Played it a little years earlier, liked it, wanted to play more.
February 10, 2016. Haven't played a single second of Mafia.
I'm probably still a little better at playing games I've won than games I've acquired on my own. Relative to those two situations I've done a really nice job on games Steam friends have given to me.
This suggested policy is unenforceable and unwanted.
As you rightfully mention right in your OP, we are game collectors, not game players.
If you want to ensure that the gift you give away is going to be played the most sure way to accomplish that is to give a gift to a Steam friend on a limited budget, a game you know they really want to play, or even a game you can play co-op or multiplayer with them and other friends.
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Well, that settles it. You are right and over a 1000 members of this website don't know what's good for them. Thank God you are such a shining beacon of objective intelligence and reason which we can all follow. >.>
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The answer is a no-brainer. There is no deeply intellectual answer that is somehow being missed. Asking why adds nothing to the discussion.
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No, moral of the history - you are hypocrite. Your topic title was suggesting to punish people for not playing won games. And you are the one who don't play won games - you won Guns of Icarus Online more then a year ago and according to playing time you only started it to get trading cards. Do you really want to be punished and don't be able to enter GA's?
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i have no idea what i just read.... really, late to the party as is.
but why?
and being that negative? we deserve the world we live in? really?
fine, next suggestion i'll make is that if you complain cg will kick you from SG. (not really)
i find it insulting to spit the well you are drinking from.
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i find it insulting to spit the well you are drinking from.
I've been pouring water since the beggining though, but let's just ignore that for everyone's convenience.
PS: I find insulting that you think that I should be banned and then talk about manners and greet me in the end.
Let's ignore that too.
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again, you've changed the topic, so...
but i'm not ignoring nothing. just cause you gave doesn't make you better in my eyes. there are manners and attitude that i consider more important...
have a good day
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Thank you for bringing this issue)) But you did nothing wrong, usually you have to ask to get the answer))
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Bit odd comparison as games are designed to be played. Their primary function is to be an interactive entertainment product.
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True, anything can be collected but I would still consider item's primary purpose to be the one that it will be used to/in. In this case, a game that will be played. Hence the assumption that a winner will play the game.
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Certainly. People can and (should) have different desires. I can understand why a collector would like to have thousands of games. In the same manner I can understand why a gamer would game to be played. Different people just have different perspectives.
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I agree also. If somebodys opinion is 100% on the side that you need to play the games it is his/her right to force this onto his/her giveaways.
I can also see that not everyone understands the collecting point of view. But like luller said people collect all kinds of stuff that is meant for a different use, but are not beeing used anymore when collected.
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I haven't read the thread, but I imagine someone has posted this.
Hypothetically if for some odd reason you had to complete all games(or let's say even half) of your games/wins, it wouldn't stop anything. People would just use idle master to idle time on each game.
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If anyone is wondering what happened here:
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I asked a tricky question
A majority didn't like that such equestion was even asked and no debate should be taken
It escalated quickly confirming that there is an issue, but apparently that's just my opinion
The words I originally used were far from the whole problem, as pathetic things (informal fallacies, personal attacks, ...) kept coming after I edited.
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Moral of the history? We deserve the world we live in.
What a petty final edit.
Your phrasing up till now was rude, but non-offensive, but this goes past the line of respectability.
Let me rephrase what you said in clearer terms:
Let me express my frustrations:
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I asked a question I expected a different answer to
The fact that my opinion is in the minority means everyone else is wrong and I don't need to pay their perspectives any mind.
My rude behavior got negative responses, but I'm using that as validation that I'm right
I don't need to take any responsibility for my actions, you all suck.
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Moral of the story? Fuck all a'yall.
I'm not even being facetious, that's exactly how it comes across. That sort of overall passive-aggressive negative phrasing seems unfathomable to not be intentional, but if it isn't, do recognize that this is why people don't respond favorably to you.
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I think I'm a bit late to this party.
Does this some it up?
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He edited it a shit ton of times according to his feelings at the moment but basically yes.
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Yes. He tried to dodge it by not replying one by one but only by changing the op but as you can see from our replies it was pretty obvious what his attitude was.
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Usually nothing else gets such attention.
It seems that you didn't bother to think why, after whatever your first thought was that made you write with this liquid primal hate.
Example:
A majority didn't like that such equestion was even asked
- The fact that my opinion is in the minority means everyone else is wrong
Well done, the witch-hunt after your words is even worse though.
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Usually nothing else gets such attention.
It seems that you didn't bother to think why, after whatever your first thought was that made you write with this liquid primal hate.
Example:
A majority didn't like that such equestion was even asked
- The fact that my opinion is in the minority means everyone else is wrong
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Well done, the witch-hunt after your words is even worse though.
Let it be noted, you're the one who called out what you were actually saying as liquid primal hate, not me.
I wouldn't have been as harsh about it, but it looks like we're all finally on the same page.
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"Usually nothing else gets such attention."
This is factually wrong. There are multiple threads in the discussion page that have been active less time than this with even more replies at this very second, like Thedogma's whitelist thread, and the "How old are you?" thread. From my experience in the past, racking up hundreds of replies in less than a day is not at all unusual, though finding further examples that managed it in the past would be a pretty onerous task.
But, you were able to dismiss the initial tame criticism as "liquid primal hate" and a "witch-hunt" (I have no idea how a matter between two individuals can be a witch hunt, let alone in the form of a single criticism, but that's neither here nor there), so I'm sure there is some colorful invective you can use to brand and disregard this.
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If anyone is wondering what happened here:
Moral of the history? We deserve the world we live in.
You like edits? It's sunday and this is still active
PS: to celebrate the witch-hunt, now my BL is empty, now many will need to support their arguments in another way.
The metrics to fill my BL were diverse, I spent months giving away games to leechers, so I tried to fix that on my own with limited success...
CV from russia is not real, you get to high ranks with very few gifts.
I gave away recently 3 non-bundled games, none of them were played yet. What are we doing here?
Should winners that don't play won games be able to enter more GA's?
Technical issues are just goals for coders, a matter of time if you will. The ignorance about this on SteamGifts was unexpected and all over the place.
As a human being in the 21st century, you may be interested and want to learn something useful here https://www.coursera.org/course/cs101
Standford University, for free. You have no time? Even next summer break? I figured.
Also, complexity is not an excuse to deny a problem. SteamGifts is full of bundles, poorly rated games, very few gifters and plenty of us.
After the poll got over 100 votes, I claimed most of you are hoarders and leechers, you got mad and replied deviating the conversation. Everything else followed.
The truth is in the poll and in the comments in many forms and very few facts, I should have forseen that, my fault.
Though, using your very arguments, we should still be in the dark ages, where most of your thoughts, rethoric and ethics belong.
Let's use our time to read and gain some ethics:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
If you pay attention, anything with several people involved can show patterns, individual behaviours and basically useful data that may explain some things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect#Use_in_politics
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
According to the DSM, I'm probably wrong about the hoarding thing though, the reason it's quite scary as most may suffer something else that is causing it... :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding#Human_hoarding
If you feel any kind of distress frequently, please, go see your primary care physician, and talk to someone else too.
Regardless, everyone should work out, get some sunlight weekly if you can, eat well, have personal projects...
Anything that gets you away from collecting game licenses and projecting hate towards others.
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