The way of getting votes is questionable, but this happens all the time with developers posting giveaways etc. to promote their Greenlight campaigns and what not. They should be criticised in general.
I'm a sucker for platformers so I can't bring myself to dislike the title solely based on the looks or the Limbo-esque design. It can have its charm. The gameplay is the most important.
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Posting a giveaway to promote your game is one thing, all you're doing then is drawing attention to the game / promoting it.
Here, the dev.'s specifically instructing people to vote for him and help him get in the top 100 end results (see the game's page on the IndieDB website and read what the dev. asks for there; he's just trying to win some free cash because there's a reward for ranking well), in order for a chance at a free game. The "giveaway" is gated by the vote (i.e. you must vote to get a free game), and even then, there's no guaranteed return. Double level of fucked up.
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That's bullshit. You have to vote, to get a free copy. Your own OP right on this thread says "Vote for Noire right here and then you'll be eligible to get a free key." Stop trying to backpedal.
As for how it's different from voting for a game and getting it free when Greenlit? It's not different. What's your point? That's also a fucked up thing devs. with games on Greenlight do - just like what you're doing here is fucked up - and it also ruins the whole idea of what Greenlight is for - just like you're helping ruin the IndieDB awards.
Also, funny how you picked this comment to reply to, and not the one where I ask you questions that you have now ignored something like 5 or 6 times, from multiple people. Please answer what I asked, there.
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That is a fucking crock of shit. Tell me, and please copy paste what I said so we can all see it, where I say one thing, then "go against" it later? Go ahead, show me what I said that opposes what I said before. I fucking double-dare you dingleberry.
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Also, if you can't dislike the title based on that, how about disliking it based on the fact that the current state of the game was already promoted on this very site months ago, and claimed to be an early look at it, with more work on it promised. In other words, it wasn't worked on any more, and was just released, to win the IndieDB cash prize.
Or how about the guy called lonemonkey1980, who was so vehemently and blindly defending the OP (as well as ignoring rational criticisms people were posting in his replies to them) that me and multiple people suspected some form of link between the dev. and this guy I checked his account out, and reported him for seemingly being an alt. account? See his posts on this thread. His Steam account is from 20 Sept., registered here a week ago, he has only bundle games / free promo games / extremely heavily discounted games, totalling about 20 / 25 bucks TOPS, and has only 9 friends, one of which is the dev. And let's see, he's now suspended. How odd.
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It wasn't claimed as draft but like nearly finished project, that's the first thing. Second thing is your comments are invalid. We didn't even know about awards when developing the game, just got to know about it few days ago and it's not about prize it's about participating but that's what you didn't get. You're hilariously funny how mad you get and how much you envy.
And the lonemonkey. I don't know him, I didn't speak to him or anything. Two people added me yesterday to their contact list so I added them back and had chat with one of them because I'm not ignoring or anything and begin a negative person as you are forcing your invalid comments against someone who at least tries and not just gets mad at everything better than him. Peace.
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Right. Let's see what we have here. You cannot answer my questions, you ignore valid criticisms, you claim I am just jealous / envious and that's why I'm posting. Seems to me like a typical case of someone being full of shit.
I am not envious in any way, shape, or form. I simply hate guys like you, entirely dishonest about what shitty thing they're doing, twisting peoples' words and arguments, acting like a 5 year old that is trying to unfairly "win" an argument. That's why I'm posting. But good going on trying to, again, divert attention from the questions I asked of you, along with insulting me and attacking my credibility, like most idiots trying to win an argument they know they can't win with rational points.
And for the record, you've proven throughout this thread that you're not better than me, dipshit. You would be lucky to lick the crusted filth off my boot, scum.
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Good call on that guy, I didn't bother checking back at lonemonkey since his last message.
So he got suspended, is a new account all-around, the only pure supporter of this developer, and has him asa friend on Steam. He is a paid help.
This is beyond disgusting and insane that this kind of behaviour and measurements would be taken.
This guy deserves a ban as well.
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I don't know how you do it but you guys are better than NSA I see :D I don't know that guy at all, he was just polite and really knew what is he talking about. 2 people added me to their contact list and I'm not a mad and ignoring one as you two guys just spreading hate so I added them and had a chat with one of them and that's all.
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As far as the first part goes, if the game is incomplete or rushed then it will obviously deserve criticism. I just don't really have any experience with it so I can't say that I'm for or against its design.
If the second part is true, a backlash regarding it is deserved. Again though, I just came to mainly point out that the promotion giveaways aren't exactly an innocent way of marketing either.
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And like I already said - this isn't a promotional giveaway. This is buying votes. A promotional giveaway is just that - giving away free copies of your games to spread awareness by word of mouth, and get free promotion. Here, the dev. is saying "vote first, let us know you did, and then get a free game".
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You literally said "Vote for Noire right here and then you'll be eligible."
Seriously, just fuck off. Please.
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You're right, I don't have anything invalid to say, because everything I have said so far has been valid. Now, where are those answers to my questions? Complaining about me swearing doesn't mean you can then ignore what I asked. Let me number them this time so you can easily answer them, OK?
Enjoy ignoring these questions again!
Oh and I almost forgot, you said "..your comments are totally invalid and make no sense because in one you say something and in another you go against what you said." Let's see the proof of that while you're at it, too. Go ahead, copy and paste what I said that goes against what I said before.
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See, you again didn't read correctly and forgot to mention word more. That's you lack of reading abilities and forcing everyone against everyone because of it. 1. we will be thankful to supporters who freely decided to support us with their vote. 2. that's what we did. Posted, asked for support if they want to and if they want to they can get it for free. 3. there's been quite of promotional give-aways on other websites. 4. No, you can't for now. But you don't have to vote. It's kind of us not just to ask for something but actually give. 5. Work under the hood you actually know anything about because I clearly see how (sorry) airy person you are.
I didn't ignore them then and now. It's just all about respect but it's very hard to talk to you about that because even only the swearing tells me all about you.
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... You still have not answered a single thing I have asked. And here's a tip: put two spaces at the end of a sentence to form a new line.
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"It's kind of us not just to ask for something but actually give." So, you admit there's a transaction going on? You're asking for votes, and giving people a free game for their vote?
Because as you yourself said as a reply to me asking whether or not you can get a free copy of the game without voting, you said "no, you can't for now."
"But you don't have to vote" - no, but if you do, you get a free game. My local supermarket also is offering free beer glasses with a six-pack of Grimbergen Tripel beer. I cannot get the beer glasses without buying the beer, exactly the same as that I can't get a copy of your game without voting. I don't have to buy a six-pack of Grimbergen, either. But if I want those sweet beer glasses, I do. Just like if people want a free copy of your game, they must vote, as you have just admitted to.
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"Work under the hood you actually know anything about because I clearly see how (sorry) airy person you are." I don't even understand what this means. Are you trying to say I don't know about games dev., so can't comment on the state of the game months ago, as compared to how it is, now? How about you just answer the fucking question, buddy, and let me worry about whether or not I understand it?
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I'm guessing that most people won't be getting them.....
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Please, see my comments in the thread, and the way this ass of a dev. is responding to them. Really. This guy takes the fucking cake.
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OP, compare what you are doing (buying votes for a chance at a contest entry). - dirty practice.
Look at what another program has done. They gave anyone who wanted it a free copy. Did they require people to sign up and give them emails, no. Did they require people to vote, no. - Good Promotion
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I'll be honest, your game looks like a rip-off of Limbo, so I'm not going to vote for that. But thanks to your indiedb link, I did vote for Stranded Deep, because it looks like something new and original.
Now what I found incredibly annoying is the fact that there is no information about your game in this thread. In other words, you just want people's votes, after which you'll give them a chance to win your Limbo-copycat. I can see you really value your fanbase.
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Man, have you seen some of the comments of mine he replied to? His attitude / blatant vote buying?
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Okay I'm done with all your bullshit posts. You NEVER said anything about your game here in this post. You us to vote for your game then make a demo and give it to us or give us free copies (DRM free just the download) and if we enjoy it we'll vote for it and later purchase it to support you. You are requiring us to vote for your game and you said we're eligible to get a free copy. That means we might not get anything in return for blindly supporting a game we have no idea about. Your replies aren't even worthy of being called half asses. The GMG give outs were for your time. GMG wasn't saying "Hey vote for only these games and you'll maybe get something for your time", they said "Hey here are a bunch of games in a category. Vote for your favorite games in each of these categories and we'll send you a key for either one of these GOOD games". Want to know a really good developer? The head developer of a game called Disco Dodgeball gave out free keys on reddit for 24 hours. They're non-DRM so people can purchase them later. This is how you promote your game. Your method is terrible and just shows that you yourself are not sure if you can get in the top 10 or even in the top 20. Either make your game better or give DRM free versions of the game to let people play. People will purchase your game and if it's good everyone here would have no problem voting for your game. You dun goofed on this. Please stop trying to act like you're in the right and every single person here in wrong and hating the world. Your examples are terrible and just because another developer does the same doesn't mean it's all right. If you see someone mugging someone else is that alright for you to do it? God did your parents teach you anything or were you raised by badgers?
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Jesus you just can't get it through your skull. GMG didn't say "You get Mafia 2 or Civ 5 for voting for this game only. If you don't vote for this game you get nothing". You're saying "You have to vote for this game for a chance at getting this game. Doesn't matter if other people do it. I'm not going to say "Ah you're evil go to hell". I'm just saying you shouldn't have people vote for your games to be able to get your game for free. That's called buying votes. You're giving something in return for a vote that isn't based of that person liking your game. It's based of pure profit of that person doing an action for something in return. It would be better if you closed this thread and create a new one explaining what the game is about and either give out a demo or give out a DRM free version of the game. If it's good we'll vote for it and even purchase it.
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We're not saying you have to do the or that so you're again on your knees with your wrong arguments.
We're giving something in return to chosen ones if they decide to vote and also if they decide to sign-in the form. We're not saying you have to vote and then you have to sign-in. It's everyone's free choice and that's what you still make sound totally evil and wrong.
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The contest has prize money involved. That's why the dev. is doing this. See my comments in this thread, and the devs. shoddy replies.
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"so there's not a single correct point in your whole post"
You keep saying this, but your counterpoints often don't even run counter to the arguments you're opposing.
Pro-tip : Saying "you have no point" or "you are incorrect" doesn't magically cause them to have no point or be incorrect. That's not how rational discourse works. Try addressing the points being made instead of moving the goalposts or outright disregarding them.
By all means, ignore the points being brought up, but just do us the favour of not pretending you're addressing them. Saying "I am rite u r rong" doesn't make you win an argument.
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Also, again :
- GMG compensated people for taking the time to vote, not for making specific votes. This would have only been dishonest if they only rewarded specific votes. Instead, they were simply trying to spur uninterested gamers towards voting, perhaps to allow for a better sample-size in their voting.
- You are compensating people for discarding their actual vote and using it to boost you (or worse, generating throw-away counts to give you a vote). This is in a friendly contest supposed to be based on merits, which you have instead polluted by making compensation a factor. This is why 'bribery' is considered a negative thing in almost any situation of competing views. It skews the results away from relevant factors.
These two things are VERY different.
What you are doing goes against the spirit of the competition you have entered, and if you ever use your finishing rank as positive advertisement, you are also effectively being dishonest towards prospective customers. No matter how you try to spin this, and no matter how you try to validate your tactics by pointing at other people outside of the competition (and often outside of the same context) and saying "BUT THEY DID IT", you cannot reconcile your behaviour with the idea of a fair competition.
If you feel you can, feel free to elaborate on why, and kindly address all of the associated points I raised. I will help you by re-iterating those you may miss, and will also factor in the fact that english is obviously not your first language. I understand how that can cause a barrier in discussion, but hopefully you're not using babelfish to translate for you, so we'll be able to work around that.
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Pro tip. When everyone is against you and you keep saying you're doing something right. Chances are YOU are at fault. The only people who have praised your game are paid losers. Every single person here has said you're wrong and yet all you say is "Nup bru ur wrung im wright". To be honest I seriously doubt you made this game because of how fucking stupid you are.
Can we get support to close this thread and suspend/ban this guy already?
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So me and two other people made a bunch of steam accounts just to hate on you in this thread. You are simply an idiot. Seriously is there a support member that can close this thread?
You seriously need help. You just can't admit that you're wrong and keep defending your tactics when nearly every single person on the internet will disagree with you. See when everyone says something is wrong, it tends to be wrong. Everyone here is saying your method is wrong so chances are you're wrong and you are. Seriously get it through your thick skull. There is no way you made this game. Something as stupid as you just can't do it. They can't code it's simple as that.
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.. Try actually reading the whole thread before you post something that makes you look quite stupid..
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I see you've still not answered any of my questions, nor provided proof of me "going against what I said before". Guess you're wrong, then, huh?
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:D I have to laugh at you. Read what you wrote and I'm not losing more of my time with you because I'm sorry buddy but you need mental help and I don't mean to insult you or anything, it's just the way it is. I don't know, I see you how someone who comes on the Internet everyday, feels like king and starts complaining about everything just showing how unable to actually make something you are. I don't know why did you started this, I didn't offend you so I think you'r first to think about yourself. How is this buying votes when I told you for million times you CAN vote and if you vote you CAN get sign-up and have a chance to get a key. It's play of words and you didn't get that. This is always done this way or the other way, when something goes on green light they post a link that if you want to support you can and then when released on steam you'll get a free key for their game. Or they give like 50 free keys and people vote for them then but it's still the same process and it's no wrong at all because as well as I know, you're free, we don't tell you you have to read this tread, we don't tell you you have to vote or anything and that's the whole point. I don't know, when I don't like some kind of ice-cream I don't of to shop and start screaming and getting mad to everyone who goes around, it's not what grown ups do.
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Lol I need mental help? You are buying votes. Don't try saying you aren't. You are offering people something in return for voting for you game and no one else's. I've been taken college level programming classes since my freshman year in high school. I'm about to start studying video game programming and design. I'm pretty sure I'm not mentally unstable when I started taking classes meant for people 18 years and older when I was fucking 15.
It is wrong because you're getting people to vote for your game. Even if someone says "Hmmmm this game is better than Noire, BUT the other game devs don't offer me anything. If I vote for Noire I get something". That's called purchasing votes.
Your defense is because other developers have done it it's okay. So if you see someone kick a cat will you? You see someone take a kid's ice cream cone are you going to go to that kid's friend and take his ice cream cone? It sure as hell seems like it with you constantly saying "Everyone else does it that means I can do it". Do what I suggested you to do. Give out a game demo or give out the game here only for 24 hours. If we like it we'll vote for your game and most likely purchase it.
Example: My friend got a steam and desura key of Underrail from a bundle (The game isn't fully out yet and they've already put the game in a bundle). He gave me the Desura key and I freaking loved it. I plan on purchasing the game on steam once I get some money. See? The game is great, I got a copy for free and it's so good that I'm going to purchase it even though I have it. That's called REAL support. What you're doing it paying people.
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This has gone on long enough. Closing and suspending.
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Vote for Noire right here and then you'll be eligible to get a free key for Noire once you sign-up through this form and are chosen.
GL :)
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