First World Problems (TM)
I can't even get steam wallet or paypal in my country and steamgifts and longass trading are pretty much the only ways I can get steamgames right now. And I DO have money, but Valve just refuses to let me add wallet via local ways.
Long story short, I don't give a crap about how somebody got the games nor anybody should, it's a giveaway site ffs. Also inb4 complaining about my giveaways and shit, IDGAF, the guys who got the games I gave away were quite thankful to me and as I explained above, there's no way for me to get extra paypal or steam wallet, or else oh man I would totally give away some interesting stuff.
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I knew about that service since forever. The taxes and whatnot are like... HUGE, I would literally pay at least 11 times for any item I buy using that (I already pay 5.6 times more + big import taxes for anything I buy that comes from the USA, so PCs and tech stuff are damn expensive already). Nobody should use 5% of their monthly salary to buy a $10 game, that's just dumb.
Also the information that site requires for me to use that specific feature is incredibly intrusive to my privacy, up to the point of asking me to scan my ID and a bill of my house to prove where I live and all that shit. I'm not giving away all my personal info to a company/brand I barely know about.
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REALLY? Wow that sucks man. Here in NL, I buy PSC at the supermarket, and if I pay 10 euros, I get a 10 euro card, that adds 10 euros to my Steam wallet. Don't I see a spot to input address info and look up a selling point for PSC there, about halfway down the site?
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I've given away 9 copies of Shadow Harvest and (I believe) 4 of Rome: Total War.
If my contributor value is taken away, and a sale like that occured again, I'd give them away again.
That being said, +1 for new system or some form of change.
Also as for high value giveaways, I don't usually enter/win AAA titles seeing as I buy them myself, anyway.
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I suggested a form of personal ban list on games that you wouldn't wanna count on your giveaway values. That would lead to community created bundle/exploited lists with all those games included like two worlds velvet ed, shadow harvest etc. I think this can be a real solution.
Another current solution is sticking with the private group giveaways...
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Good idea. I was thinking of forming a group intended to have just about everyone in, that has somehow shown to be legit, not the type of contributor that tries to farm. This way, anyone can make giveaways for the group with a certain contributor limit set. Maybe you could-
Ah fuck it, was typing, realised that to make it work, everyone on SG would have to be a member, and then you'd have to boot them from the group if they show the wrong mindset. Your idea is better. But would take work to make. Maybe make a website / checker that checks given away games, compares to a list, and spits out a real value or something? Then, with mod approval, add the link to the site to the description, and the statement that "you must meet the contributor limit set on this(<link) website in order to enter. Anything lower, and a re-roll will be requested if you win."
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no i think it should be done as the same way that they reduce values of bundle games, your idea is kinda too complicated to put into reality. Well cg should add a list field to account options where anyone can add their own list of games not to be counted in their giveaways.
If that feature is implemented, community created and regularly updated exploited list would come naturally. You can even do that on a sticky thread on forums.. Where people say why xxx game should be included and thread OP adds it to the list linked to some free download host..
Btw I posted that personal "reduce value of & user ban lists" as a suggestion to support, no response so far :D I just hope it'll be done in the future. At least no one can complain after that.
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Dude why do you think I stopped typing, put a "-", and said what you said was a better idea? :P
And yeah it is a good idea. If people start adding games to that list that shouldn't be on there according to some, the list would simply not get used by people, so would also be somewhat self-regulating.
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Im not sure I understand what they are getting at but it sounds really douchey.
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Now we need a new option when making giveaways. I need to be able to make public giveaways that are open to everyone except members from that group. (Or just allow me to do a people/groups blacklist in general.)
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Contribution farming is lame and people that do it should be shunned. If you are only giving away 20x copies of a horribly rated game because it's 95% off and it's a cheap way to boost your contribution value, I think you've missed the purpose of steam gifts.
But you can't stop people unless you change the system, just like how people bought and gifted tons of indie gala games before when you weren't allowed to give away bundled games. I think some of the ideas like using lowest sale price have merit, and gala store pay what you want bundles really need to be added to the bundle list, but ultimately real contribution value will never be accurately measured and giving away good, new, or non-sale priced games really just has to come out of the goodness of your heart.
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Isn't this adverting? Look at the referrals his got.
http://www.tremorgames.com/?action=viewreferrals&userid=28252
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He already put up his ref group in a few giveaways, forum ones at that, and lots of links in his group, also. This was already about a week ago, if not a little more. His group already had 100+ members after the first 2 days it was up and promoted. You know how many members have joined his group today? 3. That could have come from anywhere, mind you.
Badum, tish.
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He put it in group giveaways?
Oh? That isn't allowed at all.
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To dumb to read dates? He had like 12 refs before yesterday, he gained all others yesterday, weird huh, such a boost after you posted it.
Thanks for giving douches like that refs, you did a great job!
EDIT: Haha you finally removed the link. Finally realised it? Took a while didn't it. Badum tish.
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Regardless, you are still effectively posting a referral link. Take down the link. The text you reproduced is enough. You are providing a referral link, yours or not.
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He already put up his ref group in a few giveaways, forum ones at that, and lots of links in his group, also. This was already about a week ago, if not a little more. His group already had 100+ members after the first 2 days it was up and promoted. You know how many members have joined his group today? 3. That could have come from anywhere, mind you.
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^ missing the entire point of the thread, not understanding anything being debated, probably after not having read the OP at all, or any of the thread, then busting in with his moronic post that offers nothing more than a dig at the OP.
Cool story, bro.
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Try not piggybacking off other people all the time to attack and harass because you disagree, kid. And respond to my replies to you, instead. Oh, wait, you can't.
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I complain about selfish fucks coming to a site built around what I thought was a quite positive idea - GIFTING. Abusers are exploitative rats trying to strategise a way to gain max benefits for themselves. I don't give 1 shit if they get booted off the site, even if that would mean less giveaways or so. Dishonest, exploitative people don't deserve the dirt off my soles, let alone to get in on the high contrib. giveaways.
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Yep, a job will let you get games for even cheaper than the farmers are. If farmers are exploiting, what does that mean for the employed gifters, giving games for evern less effort?
Farmers just waste their time.
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True enough. But efficacy isn't what's being debated here - although an interesting thought to ponder.
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still, some people receive free games
what's the matter in how it costed to the guy who gives a game ? if it has not been obtained by killing someone or stuff, i don't really care of where a game i won comes from..
if you find once a key wrote on a paper on the floor in the street and then give it away, what's the problem ? there is no one for not silly people
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"1) Visit this website. Do not navigate away from the page you land on until you sign up."
Doesn't want to lose his ref, lol.
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Doesn't mean he knows that or even what a cookie is :P
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Good of you. The site doesn't even offer the same stuff to all countries, so for example, here in NL, I can't even do the whole "watch videos for some free games" thing. :/
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Hey OP, when you won Shadow Harvest (from that giveaway with 10 copies being given out) how did you feel about the person giving you a free game?
Was he a huge scumbag/exploiter? Would you like to see him purged from the site as you mentioned on page 1?
Where was your moral outrage when you were entering that giveaway in the first place?
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I've seen this argument in other threads before. I don't necessarily agree with it, but the answer is: just because you are against someone giving away exploited things, doesn't mean you can't enter for them.
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Not really. Say he didn't enter - that would still be 228 entries, more than enough for that guy to get contributor value.
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ageofarmageddon's point is to call into question the OP's position as the last defender of moral high ground.
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And what jatan11 said perfectly sums up a perfectly valid counterpoint, which you choose to ignore so you can continue your personal little jihad on me. If I saw 1 entry on that giveaway, I would simply not have entered. It's not that hard.
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Explain? I think the only giveaway that would be considered "exploitative" made by the OP is The Club.
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I only made that giveaway because I got 2 copies of the game off 4 keys I traded off, that I'd randomly gotten from some dude on my friends list. I was a bit broke at the time, had sinked a bit of cash I could scrounge together into 2 other giveaways already, so I figured, when I had those 4 keys, that I might as well try to get something else to give away, and hid the link to that The Club giveaway in both my others that were running, in a funny way.
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@OP, out of curiosity, would you consider my giveaways as exploitative?
What if I told you that I've only spent ~$150 of real money (for the intent of giving away, so not including extra keys from indie bundles, games gotten from trading, etc) for my $2080 worth of contributions?
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Maybe 20 bucks for all the games I've given away because they were extra keys, I'm a bad guy OP, I'm so sorry.
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A problem? Time to make a post explaining it to anybody that couldn't figure it out on their own!
Also, if I'm not mistaken, this is people giving away games that are being received? Like... that's kinda what this site is created to facilitate. The abuses are people making private giveaways, and having their circle-jerk buddies enter, and no games are being given away etc. people are just inflating their contribution without contributing.
Unless I missed something?
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Private giveaways can be made so people can share them among more than 1 group, as the prize for beating a puzzle, or as a chat giveaway. All of which have nothing to do with "circle-jerking little groups" of anything.
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Your logic is so flawed I can't even start. Sorry can't even take anything you said seriously and care to write a counter argument.
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Then don't post. My logic isn't flawed at all, not 1 bit, and you can't poke holes in it without trying to use stinted logic, argumentation tricks, or out-of-context statements, like so many on this thread have already done. Wanna try? Go for it. Otherwise, don't shitpost.
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I'll dumb it down for you smartpants:
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This below here shows exactly what's wrong with contribution farming.
It was an announcement on a group from someone trying to get ref links, which I have copy pasted below. There's ref. links all over the original I'm not putting here - emphasis added to the lines that cause me most offence and prove my point:
JUST TO BE CLEAR: THIS IS NOT MY TEXT, THIS IS SOMETHING I SAW SOMEWHERE. If mods want, I will remove the copypasted bit, or remove the "instructional" bit, as my whole intent is to counter such behavior, not encourage it.
Boost Your "Given Away" Total on SteamGifts
Sorry to promote TremorGames so much. It might seen like I'm just trying to refer you all, but that's not entirely the case-bear with me for a second.
If you frequently use SteamGifts, you know that having a high giveaway total will increase your likelihood of winning to a certain extent. The following advice will have you boosting your giveaway total by around $15 every week. Sounds too good to be true? It's not. Here's proof.
HERE'S HOW IT WORKS.
I'm not going to lie, I get a 20% bonus off whatever you earn. If you're not yet a member of TG, I encourage you to sign up here.
Next, leave one of these videos playing in the background; repeat with the next one when it's done for 5 coins every time. (If the link didn't work, just click on the red "More Coins" button and find the video tab). With around 10 videos a day times 5 coins each time, that's 350 coins a week--almost enough for Dungeons: The Dark Lord (worth $20, 395 coins). Because the games change frequently, check out other games under 1000 coins. You can easily utilise this method to join the league of those who have given away hundreds of dollars worth of games. Just make sure to buy games that weren't part of a bundle for maximum return!
That's just through watching (or rather, backgrounding) some videos. I got 600 coins for trying the Hulu+ free trial. That, plus 300 I already had, got me Two Worlds 2--$30 worth right there.
Thanks for reading!
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"You can easily utilise this method to join the league of those who have given away hundreds of dollars worth of games. Just make sure to buy games that weren't part of a bundle for maximum return!"
Exactly you contrib. farming douches - the giveaways made with higher contributor limits were made by people to reward those people who have a high contrib. value on their profile due to choosing to giveaway games, purely for generous and warm spirited reasons, not for people trying to exploit the system and strategically try and boost their contrib. value - like you types with that attitude of plotting the best way to get "maximum return".
I've participated in a number of these contrib. farming threads / discussions, and was / am pretty sick and tired of the way things are going, but this load of crap "instructional" on how to "boost your contrib. value!" really prompted me to post this up, see what reactions people post. Go ahead, try defending such a ridiculously dishonest, conniving attitude.
And the site doesn't like exploited keys being given out and takes a stand against them, a lot in the community are very vocal against piracy etc, and act like moral white-knights, but this behavior's somehow ok? Tell me again why the contrib. value feature was implemented in the site again? That's right; as a simple way to record and reward generosity - i.e. to give people a tool to give back to people giving a lot away, after the fact. Not as an incentive to encourage exploitation and trickery, and selfish motivation. And no, not every giveaway has to be for 100% altruistic, selfless reasons. There's a wide range of nuances between trying to be the next messiah in terms of altruistic intent, and being a grubby bottom-feeder who only ever cares for persona numero uno. But regardless of intended motivation in making giveaways, you can be sure this contrib. boosting crap is entirely selfish, and purely an attempt to shamelessly exploit and trick the system, nothing more.
Period.
I'm not going to call anyone out here publicly, but I keep seeing low entry, high contributor limit giveaways with entries off people with 1k+, sometimes even 2k+ contrib. value on their profile, but when looking through their given away games, all they've given away are 20x Crazy Machines, 30x Shadow Ops, etc. One such profile I saw had more than 2k value, but looking through their list of given away games, a rough estimate of what they actually spent on it would fall shy of two, maybe three hundred bucks, being very generous in my estimate.
So, firstly, that 2k+ is bull (and yes I know almost everything given away here has been on sale etc, but there's still a HUGE disparity between buying a 20 buck game for 5 and giving it away, and buying 5 bundles for that price, then netting 5x the value of the games in that bundle), as well as the far more important issue - they're clearly, undeniably selfishly, strategically trying to boost their value as cheaply as possible.
And these exploitative types, who are on here purely, entirely, 100% solely to get free games, and are trying to trick the system however they can (even if it means they begrudgingly have to spend a handful of dollars [euros, whatever] to fool the site into letting them in to lower entry giveaways), get rewarded with <20 entry AAA giveaways? And this is right how again?
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