These were already giftable, and if not bundled, provide full CV.
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Wait, so Reduced are bundled and No CV are those given away?
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That's the rule, though there are exceptions:
Reduced can include non-bundled games sold at a deep discount (95% of greater, I believe).
Games that have been given away under certain circumstances (such as limited amounts) are not necessarily made No CV.
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Am I going crazy or was there a date when we hovered over the asterisks before you added the descriptions? Anyone else saw it?
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Am I going crazy......
you are, regardless of the rest of the sentence. :P
personally though, i never saw it without descriptions. so idk, sorry.
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:P
I'm so lost right now, I'm so sure I saw it, I think cg removed it when he added the descriptions.
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Nice, Digital Homicide's crap everywhere, and you must keep in mind all of them to not enter.
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Click on the crossed eye after it's name to hide it
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This is an update that I've been hoping for for a long time. Thanks!
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I'm trying to understand what happens to games that have been "temporarily" free for years and still are. I've been seeing games that have been free on DLH for over a year, and are still free today, creep their way back into the giveaways this past day or so. Sure, they have a price tag on Steam, but they'll probably continue to be given away for free for many months, perhaps years to come.
Do those fit in Category 3 as No-CV games that are allowed to be given away? Because that's what's happening now.
This isn't a complain. I'm just trying to understand.
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atm Support are working through list of games, when it's announced that they are done and you still see a game not fitting it's category you should simply write support ticket probably under category "Add Game to List". Games that are currently available for free (be their free on Steam or in currently running GA) fit category 4 Free Games: Not able to be given away, because they are currently free so after changes are finished currently running DHL GAs should be blocked from being given away, and if DHL GA is permamently running, game should be permamently blocked.
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Good change with freebies, but that feel i have 270 keys on game that moved to free and i cant giveaway it :D (Life is Strange ep1)
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Great change! Especially with the asterisks. :-)
I have a question though. What about a game that has been free for a limited time, for example Dungeons 2 was given away in humble store and the key had to be activated until a given date or else it expired. Why are such games still of zero value? If someone creates a GA now, then the key is obviously from another source, since the giveaway key is not valid any more. Just wondering.
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Afaik, that's misinformation. Those keys don't expire, only humbles links. If you revealed key while promo was ongoing, and saved it somewhere (text file or whereever you keep them), you can activate it whenever you want after the promo is over, same as any other key. Those games should have no value.
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It should be noted though that when you give those keys no value you're punishing every person who did NOT get it for free while it was available, with the justification that you don't want the small amount of people who stockpile such keys to get CV on this site.
It's worth considering how that will affect the site when we're at a point where there are more games with reduced or no CV than there are games that give CV. How fair will that be to a new user that wants to level up?
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How is it any different from people who bought a game full price and didn't give it away until it got into bundle? It's the same thing and it's been around for over 5 years. What about someone buying game in expensive region like EU or US, but it getting bundled because it's below 95% in Russia? SG has no way to determine the source of game and price paid for it so only way to avoid exploitation is to assume each game could have been purchased for lowest - it's always been like that and addition of free games does not change that in any way.
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Just because it's always been like that doesn't mean it always should. My comment was simply pointing out that we're approaching a point where those we want to punish - the people trying to exploit the system - are less punished by the current rules than every single innocent user.
That's not an effect of this change in site function, it's an effect of the rules as they are and the explosive growth of the bundle/giveaway business.
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we don't want to "punish" anyone, we want to avoid any potential exploitation. And tell me how are they "less" punished? They are "punished" the very same as every other user. All usaers have same value for same gifts, for one gropup to be punished more would require one group getting different value than other group.
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Which is exactly what is happening. The people lucky enough to get it for free gets no value out of it - they have a perceived loss of zero. The people who didn't get it for free and give it away spend money on the game and get nothing in return, so they have a perceived loss of the price of the game.
By trying to make sure the first group gets no value since they put nothing in, the rules negatively affect anyone buying the game after that fact for any price at all.
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like I said - no difference between bundle scenario. I'd even say it's lesser "punishment" than bundles as vast majority of free games were bundled before anyway, so your potential loss is 15%, why potential loss for anyone who got nonbundle game which became bundled is 85%. Yet befoppre this new introduction I haven't seen you fighting bundle system the same way you fight freebie system now
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I think you might be confusing me with someone else - I am not commenting with regards to the new rule. Someone made a comment regarding games that had been free once and once only, and stated that there was no compromise, that these games should always be worthless to give away. I simply pointed out that this was, in some degree, unfair - and that it will be more unfair as time goes on.
It's just a case where the people running the site should probably sit and consider if it's time to update the systems in place to account for situations that was once rare and is now getting more and more common.
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again - how do you want to "update the systems in place to account for situations" like ones you discuss? how do you want to differentiate a key purchased from key you got for free?
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Any source to back that? I gave my nephew Worms Clan Wars fr a bundle with a 4-pack, the keys had time-limited activation, he forgot to add it to steam on time and the key didn't work after that date. Also, for the games given for free by humble, you can't create gift links, you can only reveal the key, so the information on time limit quite obviously refers to the key.
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Me? For example, I activated few Stealth Inc 2 keys more than year after this kind of promo was over. It was the first one where they said that keys will expire. Cant vouch for every promo, but every that I have tried it worked fine (I might have skipped one or two).
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Don't take it personally but you're not a reliable source to me. Just to be clear, I also don't expect you to believe me or my nephew. If HB says the keys expire after day X, I assume they will. Would be good to have an official confirmation though.
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It looks like Dark Souls gives full CV (doesn't have any asterex after the name when creating giveaway)? Is that something that's being done on a case-by-case basis or something? If so, what about games like Hover (a game that no one has for trade and has only been given away on SG twice over a year ago), why don't they get a pass?
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Dark Souls same as Metro 2033 are different cases - these games got reinstated to SG before the changes, so idk if they were reinstated because unused keys got invalidated, or they were missed out with current update because they were already on SG b43 that. Best case write a support ticket about adding game to the list.
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But Metro 2033 has 2 **
and Dark Souls was ungiftable until now, weird it suddenly counts as full
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like I said - best solution write support ticket ;)
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I'm fine with DS at full value considering resell price is at $14.
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I gotta disagree - rules should always be plain, simple and affect every user/game/whatever-they-apply-to the same way. Saying "This game should be on FREE list but this not because it has high resell value" is not a valid reason in my eyes. Some games from bundle list have high resell values (RUST for example is currently worth more than BTA tier it was in) yet they are on bundle list anyway because what matters is not how much the game cost on grey market but for how much it was buyable. And same way free game should go to free games list no matter it's grey market value.
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May I suggest returning free games to the list during creation of a giveaway with a pop-up saying that a user can't give it away because it's free when selecting such a title (I don't know, with *** or other mark)?
I think there will still be people creating giveaways for free games under other titles just because they couldn't find it on the list or something like that. You know, sometimes people aren't up-to-date that a 1st episode is free and such.
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I don't understand why "Darkarta: A Broken Heart's Collectors Edition" is sorted as free game with no cv. I don't remember that it was free to get anywhere during this few months since it exist. Just asking...
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Really? It had at least four different mass key drops over the course of a few weeks.
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Thanks for answer guys. I didn't know this until now. I got key from developer after made guide for this game and yesterday remembered that I had that key and decided to make giveaway. Since I don't care about cv I noticed info here when created giveaway that I will not receive progress in leveling, but as I said, I don't care about that, just was curious when it was free. It's kinda rare that HOG gametype is free on this way, but seems that this one was for real... :)
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Great update...
BTW
according to
https://www.steamgifts.com/stats/community/users
there are over
1,012,665 user of steamgifts.com right now and yet 966,000 user are still level 0 and level 1 only.
So our Giving community is actually really small with only 52655 people that actually gave away something to reach at least level 2.
Even people with high steamgift level tend to lose interest in the site and leave. (I personally know about 50 level 10 no longer active on steam and another 20-30 that does region-lock gift only).
And our new user registering to the site is way down from our peak in summer 2014 and last summer sale 2017 we barely had any new user joining at all.
Maybe we should really think of ways to spread words of our site and we really need new blood.
Putting this at the back of the thread so only dedicated forum user would join the discussion.
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Would be also interesting to know how many of those 50k are active at all (I bet less than half)
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What I see on reddit is that new users don't get through the $100 barrier. Because everything bundled counts 0, it got increasingly harder to join.
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I get that and CG noticed it too and mentioned in another thread.
Maybe allow people to enter without reaching 100$ but won't be able to enter GA unless did a couple GA.. what you think of this idea.
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CG noticed it too and mentioned in another thread.
oh? can you link that?
allow people to enter without reaching 100$
It's the only anti-bot measure. SteamTrades has gone complete to shit since that was removed, so no, it must stay, for spam reasons alone.
Rather allow bundled games to have a little value like 1%.
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https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Ot9wk/happy-holidays
quote:
Challenges
User Registration
Looking at our stats, it's easy to see we have less users registering per month, and you might assume this means a drop in activity. However, that's not the case. Our bundle list grows daily, and since we exclude bundle games when calculating registration value, it's becoming more and more difficult for new users to register. It's normal for us to see 75% of users unable to register on a typical day. This is a difficult problem to solve. On one hand we need strict requirements to protect our community against users signing up multiple accounts, and on the other hand, we don't want to block hundreds of legitimate users from registering each day. If anyone has any thoughts on improving this system, please share.
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I bet the same. The best featured GAs get 1Xteen thousands of enbtries, some people ofc miss out, but I'd say more or less 20k active users.
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I didn't enter there, but many lvl0 did, which surely add several k again. I'd say 50k for all levels who check in once per month min.
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once in a month - maybe, but I wouldn't call checking SG once a month an "active user". You also gotta keep in mind that 5-8k new users register per month, most of them after checking site and seeing they cannot get free game right away never return - but hey, they did check in once per month, so already 10-20% of your 50k gonna be people wjo really aren't active users, just happened to visit page once and that's it ;)
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I think you can get more or less accurate stats by looking at stats of IngieGala or BundleStars groups (I don't know bigger groups where people can join to get free games on steam, and that's biggest magnet for users in general).
Based on that only ~6-7% of 0lvl users are active (aka logged in past month, there is no way to check everyday activity). It's better for lvl 1 (20%), and then the higher level the more active users.
Don't know why stats/users bottom graph is not divided like on group pages, between total number of users and active users.
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I wouldn't jump right into using group data site-wide. You gotta remember that a lot of users, especially lvl 0 ones, don't join any groups at all. A lot of them are not even aware of any other GAs than public ones ;p So group stats may not be representative for whole userbase population
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Judging by a recent purge, could be that half of them are already permanently suspended. ;)
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mb better allow No Value Games gifting to people who have ~lvl 3+ ? (:
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So it's been pointed out that it appears gifting free games still gives +1 and full CV in groups? It probably should not do that since several groups got strict rules on that, that they now manually need to reinforce?
Is that something intentional or an oversight?
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A nice enhancement to this would be to somehow mark GAs for games that are no longer available for sale on the Steam store. For example, we now have all of the Digital Homicide games showing up, and the features that determine ownership don't work because the games aren't on the Store anymore. It's not always easy to remember the names of all of these games, and we may already own a lot of them. Flagging the games as such somehow would be a nice visual cue for us to double-check manually if we own the games, and then we can hide them if we do so they stop showing up.
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This is a good suggestion. There's really no point in entering GAs for games one already owns.
Another related problem is that this increases the chance of winning the same game multiple times, which is against the rules. I believe though that removed games are something that SGTools is smart enough to not trigger as a multi-win (as long as the games are on its whitelist).
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I noticed the stats page has an update to "Giveaways by Contributor Value" chart that shows no value games being given away as far back as Feb 2013. Previously the giveaways that were spotted were deleted, but possibly some snuck through, so does this mean that previous giveaways for these games that went under the radar have had their value reduced to zero thereby dropping user's CV?
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There were 0 CV giveaways before, whenever there was still/already a Steam storefront page, but no price attached ("purchase disabled"). Seeing the low amounts in that statistics until the change, this seem to be the reason.
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you have filter for any game - just click crossed-out eye next to GA name ;P
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Shiny new stats on the user page for wont/sent and value. Nice!
However, I cannot go to "Won" page by clicking on the corresponding number.
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Geez, why does cg always do that without advance warning.
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The missing 'Won' link yes, but I meant generally:
The avatar removal, the crap mobile view, border removal, https switch (fortunately first 2 got reverted).
That all broke various scripts and features that are essential for usability and comfort.
Now it's great that we have the site and it getting worked on, but these sudden breaking changes can be very well softened by pre-informing the community or at least key users who work on the scripts.
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Thanks for adding the date tooltip back. So it was indeed there before. :P
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how is full value games and reduced value games worked out
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what you mean? These have existed from the beginning: Unbundled vs Bundled :)
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Games that have been bundled on bundle sites and games who's discounted prices were 95%, or more, off the USD base price get added to the list.
According to HumbleBundle itself states last bundle value $262.28 from which $12 is 95.4% off
So ever Monthly bundle that exceeds $240 is considered bundled value
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Hi SG, a few changes to the site today related to games and contributor value. In the past, the site had three types of games:
The downside was we needed to block games and remove them from the giveaway list when they were briefly free, or posted in large giveaways outside of our community. We needed to do so to prevent users from obtaining a high number of keys for free, and giving them away for contributor value on SteamGifts. Unfortunately, this meant lots of great games were blocked and users could no longer send or receive them. Today's update allows users to start creating giveaways for these games once again, but simply for no contributor value. However, please be patient as we work through the 1,000+ games that were previously blocked, and add them back to the giveaway list when appropriate. We now have four types of games available:
For assistance, when you're creating a giveaway, the game list will show * next to games that are Reduced Value Games, and ** next to games that are No Value Games. Keep in mind, these icons are just for reference, and similar to before, the value of a giveaway can change if we need to make retroactive changes.
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