Reduced CV and No CV Giveaways

I'm really, really glad I read the caption to that photo, because I'd have never guessed it was plums. X.X

i assume cg doesn't care about anything else than cv, since the only filter on sg is based on it (levels).
since w:s ratio is irrelevant, it's ignored.

not that i agree with this, but i don't see any other explanation.

While I agree at some level, the giveaways count at full group-CV at groups, even though not giving CV. Meaning one could give away 0P games at groups where won/given value are the basics, and pump up those rookie numbers while costing it nothing. Sso dd group's sent-won CV stat to won-given stat that's being rendered useless at the change

Points to enter a giveaway are based on the current US Steam Store price, regardless of bundle status or free status. Just like every other giveaway. (so a $20 game that's in a bundle still costs 20P to enter, even though it is only worth 15% CV). The games/DLCs which cost 0P to enter are probably because they are not sold in the Steam Store anymore, so they have no price.

I like your idea to show with a different color, or something, when a game has no store page.

Depends on the discount, the last bundle was over 95% off pushing it to bundle status.

Why would it be a waste? You can win them....

You don't have to enter those giveaways, you know. You can just ignore them, nobody is forcing you to enter everything. Or, if the free promotion is still on for a particular game, get one for yourself.

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/XaCbA/list-of-all-cv-levels-and-their-corresponding-real-cv

How can you powerlevel with no value games?

like KlappPc said - you cannot level up with no value games.
Also it is impossible to get to level 10 with just one or a few massive "partner" GAs. only 1st 5 copies of game give full CV (ofc if it's not bundled game, bundled will give 15%) but then each next copy is reduced by 10% from last one. So for example if you have a non-bundle game worth 5$, 1st 5 copies will each give you 5$ CV, 6th copy will give you 4,5$, 7th 4,05$, 10th 2,95$ and so on. 50th copy will be worth only 0,04$ CV and everything from 64th+ copy will be worth 0CV. So no matter if you give away 64 or 1000 copies - you will get same Value and same level. Max CV one can get from this 5$ non-bundled game is 69,90$. If it's 5$ bundled game. If it's a bundled game max CV he can get is 10.40$ no matter the number of copies. Now assume that vast majority of these games are cheap ones - 1P,2P,3P,5P etc. It is totally impossible to get to level 10 just on few of such games. You need 5000$ to get to level 10. if we assume that average price of these GAs will be 3P and that 3/4 of them are already bundled on average each such promotional GA will give only 15.08$ CV, then you goptta find another new game to give away. Getting to level 10 this way would require 332 unique different titles being given away, each with 50+ copies to make it featured GA, meaning 16600 copies of 332 different games to get to lvl 10 on average. I doubt there are many "such powerlevelers" who powerlevelled to lvl10 this way ;p

lost moon and minion masters: it was free so it gives you no cv
saints row: region locked giveaway with less than 5 entries = no cv

I first thought you are trolling, but I fear you are not.

Full Value Games: Full contributor value when they are given away.
Reduced Value Games: 15% contributor value when they are given away after a set date.
No Value Games: No contributor value when they are given away after a set date.

You gave away only games that were previously free (No Value Games) and are marked with two stars in the list, when creating the GA.
The only "good" game you had is Saints Row, where you have less than 5 entries, so it does not count towards your CV as well.

So yes your first 6 giveaways have been totally for "nothing" if you only count Contributor lvl which you could have clearly seen beforehand.

PS: If you really paid 30$ for minionmasters and lost moon you have been ripped of pretty hard. Minionmasters was basically given away on every site + extra gifts for owners and lost moon has been in many mass GAs as well.

This kind of persons that no are happy claiming only their copies but also claim extra copies denying the possibility to other people to obtain the game

That always happened, when there are free keys there will always be people getting tens of keys, the main difference is now they can create giveaways with them, but they're getting 0 CV so I can't see the problem. On the contrary, now they're giving chances to others who missed the giveaways. Before these changes, those keys were dropped in ninja threads and redeemed by bots.

there will always be people trying to take advantage of any system.

This may be considered calling out so I would remove the links to those profiles to be safe

Perhaps some previously-given games' prices, and therefore CV value, have been re-evaluated upwards?

The Dark Eye: Chains of Satinav (100P)
The Whispered World Special Edition (100P)

will be gone in 2 weeks

How can you tell? Did you monitor your contribution value?

My interpretation is that you gave away Secret World Legends which went free to play a couple months ago. If it seems like it was something else it may have just taken some time to update that game as free. As I understand the magic of the new free games, if the game is in the store but doesn't have a price or is free it is counted as 0.

+1

Seeing the kind of "it's not allowed to giveaway free games, reported" in the comments of no value game giveaways there are a lot of people that don't even know about these recent (no value) giveaway changes.

chaos on deponia
dark eye
memoria
night of the rabbit
whispered world

mostly everything in this pack is worth 15-20cv http://store.steampowered.com/sub/55062/

tbh it didn't change anything for you or change is for the better anyway. Before these changes you would not be able to create GAs for these games att all, as any free game was removed from GA list. So you wouldn't get any CV out of these bundles nonetheless, no matter if you bought them before or after this change ;) Only difference is at least you may make GAs for them now if you wish to ;)

I though CV drop weren't supposed to happen AFTER GAs are done?

I don't know where you got that idea. CV drop always happens and ever happened when the bundler added the bundled games to the list, with the date of the bundling :)

Beside the point Adam made, you will encounter CV drop (or raise) when the base price of a game on Steam changes.
For example you gave away Shovel Knight 1 year ago, then you would have more CV right now, because the price went up from $20 (I think) to $25 a couple of months ago.

Edit: And keep effects of Steam package sales in mind, e.g. "Daedalic bug".

Only way I can think of, is to search for the title on your profile page, e.g. this way.

+1

btw. for now there is this workaround https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/NGhwK/google-web-app-no-cv-games-api but it isn't complete or 100% reliable.
Real-time listing like the /bundle-games/ listing would be so easy&useful for many purposes instead messing around with scripts.

maybe even adding it in the menu would help, like the bundle list, since it's hidden in the faq...

View attached image.

bump!

Should not take long to implement this thing.
I'd imagine it's a matter of making a copy of the /bundle-games/ page code, and it shouldn't need many changes:
change code to retrieve list of no-cv-games from the database instead of bundle-games, change the static texts, and link to the page somewhere logical...

Point is that people can store games from bundles and gain full value any time after the bundle or huge discount.

Because people would just buy the bundle and wait until the sale is over and get cheap CV, fast way to level 10.