I assure you Crimson is a red.
Else, i'm wrong, my graphic designer girlfrien is wrong, Pantone ("Color" professional) is wrong, as the guys who define names for color in webdevelopping etc.
https://www.pantone.com/color-finder?q=crimson
http://www.w3schools.com/colors/color_tryit.asp?color=Crimson
EDIT : and i forgot i was in "newest comment first" so i'm overburned for this answer. ^^'
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As an artist with some knowledge of colour theory: you're both correct. Sorta. The miscommunication comes from understanding of words: a word is usually subjective in that besides its objective meaning (if there is such a thing) the understanding evokes subjective connotations as well. Also, when you translate things, you lose something. Languages don't have the same vocabulary, the same experience space or the same usage. So, as in this case, is the Bulgarian word exactly the same as "purple" in English? In my language literal purple looks different from what English speaking people think as purple. For our 'purple' there is no English word.
Crimson is a red. It's a purplish, dark, deep red, that of a drying blood. You can also say it's a bluish red.
If you look at the colour wheel, specifically the red section, you see that from the absolute middle point of red, half of the reds mix with yellow and half with blue. Crimson is on the bluer side all the way towards where you stop calling red a red (and start calling it purple or something). In everyday language and experience colours vary, and there are people who don't 'see' (ie. don't have the names for) other colours than primary and secondary colours. There is plenty of jokes about it: woman comes home with paint samples and man thinks they're all white is a common trope.
tl;dr: it's red. Purplish red.
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I still don't see the purple... and I did tons of colorblind tests until I made the topic and I actually see more colors than they are shown T__T I mean just because it's closer to the blue mixtures than the yellow, it doesn't automatically mean it has purple in it! it has lots of other shades, but I see no purple!
P.S yes! it translates to пурпурно why it comes back as purple and it is pretty much... plain purple, maybe bit different type of purple, but it's still purple (not a know how in the names of the purple shades)
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Yeah, calling it a 'purple' or 'purplish' red easily gives people the wrong impression. It's the perception thing. Better is to call it a cool red if you need to be more neutral. Purple, as a word, evokes a strong mental connection. Just like 'yellowish red' probably makes you think something completely different (more orange) than, let's say, vermillion. It's just the tone. Kind of a short way to say 'hey this has a shade of something that is in character a little like the characters of purple'. So you're not supposed to 'see' purple -- if you see purple, it is purple!
Blood red would be a more accurate definition to evoke connections, but unfortunately it's not accurate either (fresh vs. dry colour).
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Also, as a side note which I've always wondered; 'Crimson skies' usually aren't as Crimson as they're mostly yellowish reds. I don't know the meaning behind naming them Crimson, and it's always baffled me. Maybe I should google or something. :D
(Sorry for typos etc, on my phone.)
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It's there
And I was right, in a recent change copy-pasting an url immediately turned the link into [](url)
and as I already typed it in, the double formatting broke the link :)
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I can't say what is right - but as a traditional artist who occasionally engages in borderline art forgery on behalf of my antiques dealer auntie and has developed a knowledge of the history of paint pigments I can only offer my own perspective.
Crimson pigment was originally produced from an insect that fed on the kermes oak which produced a deep red colour. I understand the original pigment fell out of favour after the introduction of the cochineal beetle from Mexico which was far more efficient to produce. That pigment was often described as crimson because that was the colour it was replacing - although it could in practice be deep red or red-purple depending on the sex of the beetle it was produced from or even something between.
Further confusion appears to have been introduced when alizarin and other synthetic pigments began to replace natural pigments - with new varieties of 'crimson' being dependent on a balance between what was similar to the traditional hues and what was cost-effective. By this day and age crimson seems to be used to describe a range of shades according to various paint scales and opinions.
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Historically it is certainly red. Nowadays it is is often a bit purplish, especially if you buy cheaper paints.
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Hi, kapy! First time seeing you here on SG forums, where have you been.
Crimson is indeed deep red to me as well and to see all these descriptions say it's tinted toward purple are confusing me. The below image is what purple is to me and none of those shades have anything to do with what I see as crimson.
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I've been here, getting blacklisted for having a different opinion.
So I decided to post rarely, so I wont end up with 2k17 blacklists till the end of 2017 XD
Plus most make giveaways when they make threads and I am pretty broke to do it, so I avoid making much threads, cuz I'm kind of expected by ppl to do so (I mean I did get a blacklist for this thread already xD)
And yay! The crimson red seers are winning the war against the purple tyrants! Soon we will fix the dictionaries!
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Most of the people who blacklist people don't ever even make giveaways (it's easier to blacklist people if you don't ever have to worry about people ever finding out they are blacklisted by trying to enter the giveaways you don't make). Statistically one blacklist is unlikely to make any difference ever. I have loads and it's still mostly a bunch of bullshit.
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I'm starting to feel like my lovely avatar. She's so blacklisted in her lore that she's considered a villain and evil, even if she is everything you need to be a good person.
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Except the arrogant, stubborn part. But they can also be seen as good features! Look at me? I'm the same and I'm a nice person! ._.
Right? (I'll find you and kill you if you say, no (kidding! Or am I?))
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I painted my avatar while I had a massive hangover. Sometimes it would be nice if it had some kind of meaning that I could reference.
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Don't worry. People just think I use my avatar, because I want to have sex with her or something. Little do they know she's my self conscience which I love for ~14 years before she appeared in the gaming world. Silly people.
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If I could pain my avatar, I'd be awesome! But my drawing skills are worse than my writing skills and people say my fanfiction is bad so!
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(They will suffer for the insolence)
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I can draw OK. I have no fanfiction skills but neither do many people who have paid me to illustrate fanfictions. I don't judge people on whether or no they might want to have sex with their avatars. Unless they are paying me to draw them having weird sex with their avatars - and in that case I don't do it publicly.
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Randomly adding. A huge thanks to that one person who blacklisted me! Guess you're one of them purple seers and hate people who don't see it purple. I'm watching you, who ever you are -.^
edit; thanks to the person who unblacklisted me <3
Edit; 2 new blacklist since! Team purple is growing T.T
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Crimson is a deep dark red with a hint of purple in it. So it's all those things.
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'#DC143C
red little bit blue.
so dominant red, move into purple in color pallet
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That's HTML Color Codes w/o Alpha..
RR GG BB, so with code /#DC143C, means mostly red, little bit blue, lesser green.
That's what logic said.
I didn't said it's purple. As a human I see red, but not pure red.
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Every color in HTML is made out of red, green, blue... if it was only red it wouldn't be crimson... isn't the main question here "Is it purple or red", if red is the major color and we see red instead of blue or green or purple, then it's red. But crimson red. Mama mia why people need to overcomplicated it XD
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Ow lol.. so it's complicated.. I see..
Just like i said.. It's red.
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What you see isn't always what others see.
I mean, you see red, sure, but you can't really prove that it's red. you can say it is the colour of an apple, but for all you know, everyone sees apple in purple and calls it 'red'. So, it doesn't really matter what you see. As for the translation thingy, I guess different language, different meaning.
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If I see it red as red and everyone else sees red as purple then purple for you is red and you can't know that I see it red so at the end it's red none the matter if I see it different of everyone else as I am told that red is red same way as you are told purple is red
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You're correct - crimson is red, not purple. The term originally described the precise colour of kermes dye (an intense red) and is typically used to describe the colour of blood or red wine. Unless in specific technical contexts, colour names are fairly broad, so a name can refer to many similar but different colours. You'd call something "crimson" if it's a near-perfect red hue - possibly very slightly purplish but not orangey - and heavily saturated (so no pinkish colours), and usually somewhat darkish.
On a linear scale of hue from pure blue to pure red, purple is about 50% red (more or less - it's a broad term), whereas crimson is at least 90% red.
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They are absolutely different. The second is crimson sky with few clouds been purple, but no the crimson itself while the first one is rose with purple, blue, yellow, white colors and even black can be seen in the sky itself.
The difference in both is huge and pretty bad comparison to be similar.
Hey! Guess I do see more colors than I should! Thanks colorblind tests, you make me feel like a superhero. x]
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Ohoho linguistic relativity? Colour perception has been in debate for several years among linguists.
Btw, this is not a bad translation, this is one reason why things like localization exist.
According to relativists colour perception is a culture-specific phenomena, for example, when I was learning Japanese the teacher told us that to them green is like a shade of blue, also told us that the word "midori" (which is our green) has been used for less than 100 years, and in certain cases people still call blue things that are green, like the green in the traffic light.
As far as I know in Spanish the word "carmesí" comes form Arabic and Persian words used to refer to the bugs because the reddish dye that used to be made form a certain bug.I don't know the etymology of the crimson word in Bulgarian, maybe you should look it up to discover why it is a shade of purple instead of red, there has to be a reason for that.
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Sad part is that our culture and history aims more at red and blood colors (as they believe in Tangra before they accepted Christ), so it's more like here that a color that was never used here suddenly took the translation of a color that has nothing in common with the actual translation.
Broken stuff are broken... But it's normal that we disagree with our past and western friends and just make up random stuff up anyway.
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Crimson is neither blood red nor purple. Crimson is more like... raspberry colored. You know, your most generic raspberry, not the weird bluish or yellowish varieties.
Also, your avatar's hair isn't crimson either but more like burgundy. :p
But the whole matter doesn't actually have anything to do with translation. There's one african language, for example, that only has 9 words in it. You wouldn't really blame them for "badly translating" something, would you? ;) And most languages of Slavic origin (Bulgarian included) usually have way less equivalents for colors than Romanic and Germanic languages so you have to get by using whatever similar words you have.
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The designers used crimson red, so I guess their programs lied and they have sinned. The program need to be punished.
raspberry, as a person who has a grandmother with a field of rasperberries at summer time, I can a sure you, that they are blackish/dark purple and pinking/rose red. :p
Just for the record, Bulgarian is one of the langs. with a large amount of words for nearly everything, so saying it has less words than German(nic?) and Romam(inc?) is pretty bad. :>
And purple isn't similar to crimson, that's for sure.
P.S I knew a girl, she made her hair burgundy as you claim and the hair color looked more brown than red and it had nothing in common as my avatar, while I have an actual friend with that hair color and her dye claimed it's crimson and it does look crimson and the color my avatar has. Cheers :p
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Well, I stand by my word. Crimson is the color of raspberries. In fact, in many languages it's pretty much called 'raspberry color' (Russian and Ukrainian for example, as well as many other related languages).
Second, I happen to be a linguist by education and a translator by trade so I know something about languages. I never said this or that language has less words IN GENERAL. I said that certain languages has less equivalents for colors. Take English for example. There we have red, crimson, carmine, burgundy, maroon, amaranth, ruby, auburn and a whole lot of other specific words to define certain shades of red. In most Slavic languages definitions like "light red", "dark red", "reddish brown", "raspberry", "cherry" etc will be used instead. See, I'm Russian myself and Russian language is generally considered the language with the largest vocabulary out there, but still we have to use substitute words for many, many things. No big deal. So please try to pay a bit more attention to what people actually say before getting offended.
Oh and also, if you want direct examples, the bottom stripe on the flag of Poland is officially crimson.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Flag_of_Poland.svg
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I'm not offending, I'm just saying you that it has nothing in common with raspberries as I've seen both the dark colored and the light colored xD None of them resemble crimson! And yet again, I did tell you that the designer himself used CRIMSON for the hair color of my avatar, so I fail to see how it is not. :x
Edit: the say Bulgaria's flag is crimson too (the bottom color) but it's different than the polish one :p
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Translations are hard, words change meaning through time and no one sees colours the exact same way with anyone who says otherwise telling a lie. All together talking perceived colour in detail is more or less meaningless.
For instance the colour of your avatar's hair is not what I would call crimson at all but the definitions are blood red, purplish red, bluish red and anything in between so it does fit. I see it as midway between red and purple and would probably call it purple if pressed though on a whim I looked things up(wikipedia then others) since on further thought that hair colour seemed like what I would expect a dark pink to be and solid pink looks like a match to me.
Which just reiterates my point really, the actual useful colours are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, brown, pink and the dark/light variations thereof leading to white and black, everything else is more trouble than it's worth.
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We had team red, we had team purple, but you literally killed my brain with pink... I'm starting to be very unsure anymore at what I see... The tests people posted, I see more colors than most and same time I didn't see even the slightest shade of pink and you claim you see it dark pink? Welp. Welcome to team Pink... There will be a deathmatch in few years. Team changing not allowed. :D
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Look it up Solid Pink or Solid Pink and compare. For me they are near identical.
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After ever such comparison posted by people I start to feel better and better of myself. You know why? Because they aren't identical as you claim, the two colors are drastically different.
Now you wonder why I feel better of myself right? Because it just proves I can see way more colors than I ever tough that I can see...
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My goal is accomplished then. Colours as you go away from the basic ones are entirely subjective, whenever you stumble on someone that doesn't see them same way you do there is no point in worrying about it.
Hell even basic colours there is confusion, I recall a discussion on whether people's skin can really normally be black or white with photos posted and there was basically every variation possible in whether one qualifies as white/black or not.
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Today, I was called an idiot for claiming that the color "crimson" is bloody red. The argument I was given was that the Bulgarian dictionary translates crimson as sky purple... now I'm wondering... if that theory was legit, wouldn't Deep Purple's song "Purple rain" actually be "Crimson rain"?
So any intelligent people who could assist me in this... Because if I'm wrong and crimson really is purple it means I'm color blind as my avatar is with crimson hair... and I see it red, not purple. :|
(Sorry no cash for a gift, maybe next time)
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