The Hidden Object part of the game is really small, it's much more like classic adventure games with a lot of riddles and spooky atmospherics. Just saying :)
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Big publishers have no problems getting some of their high priced junked on the system. Small devs don't have the same means but they can find other ways of getting publicity, such as this. Valve is certainly aware of these methods and could find a way to block them if they considered it to be cheating. They haven't, so I assume it's cool by them. I can't really see why some users are so bothered by this.
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If it's a good game then it should find some way of getting released, either on its own quality or with some help by being promoted in some way. The Greenlight system has its flaws but where do you draw the line? Are bundles of Greenlight games wrong if the developer promises Steam keys should they pass? What about giving Steam keys to those you purchase the game before the game was added on Greenlight? Making giveaways in a site like this to draw attention to the game and get some upvotes? Giving away keys for another game from the same dev that is already on Steam in order to generate publicity and votes for another game that is on Greenlight? I understand how this is more than that, seeing how they give the game for free, but, like I said above, if Valve considered that these practices affected the quality and sales of games that pass then I assume they would do something to prohibit it, which they haven't.
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Umm, how about that it corrupts and undermines the entire idea of the Greenlight process? You know, people actually voting for decent / good stuff they'd be willing to spend their money on? So that the game will be sold on the Steam store? What if too many games do stuff like this, and the Greenlight process gets somehow more restricted / less games get selected for Greenlight, because some of these games perhaps don't sell well after launch on the store - which the devs attained by basically buying votes?
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If there is a problem with this approach then Valve will do something about it. There are far too many games on Greelight and accessibility can be a problem. How can someone vote/buy a game if they never heard of it? By regularly spending a lot of time to check the new Greenlight entries? I can't blame devs for doing what they can to draw attention to their games. Of course if you don't like the game don't upvote it, if you like the game but don't want to get it free in this manner then don't join the group and if you don't like this practice then don't upvote the game at all. But I don't get this negativity that some people have about this. Is giving away some copies in this manner all that a different way of "buying" an ticket to Steam than say spending money on advertisements? One obvious difference is that with the latter there will not be a few users who get a free game but then again there are promotion campaings ran by agencies that do offer freebies...
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When Greenlight first came up, it was hailed as a great way for lesser seen concepts for games from smaller devs with some merit and quality to gain the wider gaming community's stamp of approval for further development / completion and eventual release on Steam. It was championed as a somewhat grass-roots idea akin to Kickstarter.
It had a purpose, which was damn good, which is now basically undermined entirely, causing such a flood of absolute crud, that indeed - as you yourself say - causes many good ideas / titles be overlooked, along with the whole "great idea" part being ruined..
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Greenlight has pros and cons and both of them were visible from day 1. Like I've already said, it is in Valve's best interest that it functions as well as possible and they are certainly aware of the various means that devs employ to get approved. They are also the ones with the sales data, so as long as they allow this I will assume that you are overestimating whatever negative impact such promotions may have. You raise some valid concerns but it seems like we are running in circles over this and largely agree to disagree, so lets just leave it at that.
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For unconvinced here is the full game walkthrough and impressions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waUbBCrMWp8
I suggest to just take a peek.
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Thank you for wishing us good luck :) I suggest you to take a look at the game (esp. at the walkthrough as it includes raw video footage) and just decide whether you like it or not.
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another abuse of greenlight system. send a copy to total biscuit to make a WTF Is.. Paranormal State.
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Above all, it's a high quality adventure game. You can take a look at the walkthrough posted above to decide for yourself whether you like the game or you want to skip on the opportunity.
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We feel hurt :( But seriously devs with a good game have a lot of problems to let people know about the game (Steam greenlight is simply overcrowded) and this is just one of options to promote. We do believe our game is good based on comments of players who paid for it. But this is of course a matter of taste. If you like it, join us, if you don't then please just forget about it :)
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I like these types of games and this looks genuinely good so gets my vote. Best of luck with greenlighting
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We hope that once you play it you will still consider it free, but without parentheses :)
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You're right that word of mouth is one of the best ways to promote games. But we need the initial user base to make it work and giving away the game for free is a very powerful tool to do it. It is very important especially for niche genres like adventure. Your suggestion with a combined promotion is very good, though!
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Yes, but you're bound to get negative resentment over this Upvote promotion. You should make upvoting optional and probably do a good puzzle giveaway here instead. Maybe the puzzle can be something that is related to the game. Makes watching youtube videos and/or reading reviews of the game much more interesting.
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That may be true. Again, a good advice, but we're still not sure how it works (and I think you are not 100% sure either). And we defenitely are happy to give away a game to increase publicity. We used this technique with the "Lucky Friday" promotion on our Facebook page and it worked really well.
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Looks like I had already voted for your game. Hope it gets green lit.
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Thank you for your support! It means everything for devs :)
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Done and done! Steam could always use more games and so could I :P
Upvotes cost me nothing and it supports someone's dream. There is literally no reason to ever deny an upvote to a Greenlight game.
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An adventure game with elements of hidden object, but you're correct they hunt supernatural just like in the show created by A&E.
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Hope this doesn't get greenlit. If your game is so bad you need to bribe people to vote for it then it doesn't belong on steam.
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It's not like that, really. There are dozens of games available in Steam Greenlight, some good, some bad. We just want to make sure people know about our game and if they like it they eventually will tell even more people. There's not point in greenlighting if the game won't sell well on Steam, is it? If you want to assess the quality of the game please google the game. You can see the whole walkthrough and impressions here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waUbBCrMWp8 If you still don't like it, that's OK. But please, decide on its merits.
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Sure, you guys are biased because it's your own game. But when looking at it with a realistic pov it probably won't.
Don't let the popularity of this topic fool you into thinking Hidden Object games are popular on Steam.
And abusing (the already broken beyond repair) Greenlight system is NOT the way to go.
Please don't let my words be discouraging though, it all looks very lovely, especially the art (but like i already mentioned, i don't think Hidden Object games are fun).
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Thank you for your comments, Nhoise. I don't agree it's "abusing". Yes, we are biased (obviously). Yes, we hope the game will sell proportionally to the value of the content. But in any case - people need to know about the game to play it and it's a great way to tell them it even exists. Don't you think good quality content (even if it's a niche!) should be available on Steam?
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Yes, but who decides if the content is 'good quality'? The answer to that question is; the consumers.
When voting; yes for a game on Greenlight you tell Steam that you would gladly pay money for it, so when devs give people a free Steam key for voting yes on a Greenlight game there's no point anymore.
Plus most (not all ofcourse) people in this thread are probably game hoarders anyway and won't even play your game for 1 minute, unless you decide to add cards/achievements when it's actually on Steam. It's sounds shitty but it's reality nowadays.
And yes, i think every "good" game should have a chance to get on Steam, the more good games the better. That's why Greenlight exists. The bad thing is that it lost it's purpose a long time ago already.
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Nhoise, this is just my personal opinion but I do believe there are many great games lost in the greenlight process. To greenlight a game you need exceptional PR, not just a good game. And that's the whole problem. People who greenlight games are minority, just a few percent of overall Steam user base. That is also why promotions like this are even possible.
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I'm not saying that's not true, i know it's true.
But like you have your opinion, my opinion is this is not the way to use the Greenlight process.
I would say more but i really have to go, might return here later.
Goodluck with your games, i mean it. Even though i don't like what you are doing with Greenlight and maybe not like your games myself (don't know this for sure yet) i still wish you all the best.
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Tasks completed. Rebooting system. Expecting free game. Done. Thanks.
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We thank you. You have been very brave. The game will be yours. And it will be free.
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The show is now only in the syndication. It's all about the game :) Thank you for your vote!!
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