Funny?
If I dropped that joke I'd be reported and suspended.
(Support) makes it sexy
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True. But that's not really supports fault. You would be suspended because of amount of dumb people looking for excuse to get offended.
Moderator wont be suspended because there will be much less complains.
90% of people that will happy jump to "offended-mode" have no moral spine and personal code, and will instantly drop their "believes" if it could be borderline risky to them.
Its easy to be SJW when it brings you attention and privileges, its harder when it means sacrifices and hard work.
And only real reason to be offended by this joke its because its basically a pun.
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It's pretty much an epidemic nowadays ("The joke mentions Holocaust (or even anything at all denounced by their 'religion of tolerance')? KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!").
That said, I'm confused about one thing you said. How is this joke a pun? The funny part is the jab at Christianity, as far as I can tell. Couldn't find any kind of wordplay whatsoever…
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Many people that lived through Holocaust said that "there was no god there" or "god wasnt looking". Either in the meaning it was "so horribly bad" as metaphor... or they just lost their faith.
I see it as a pun because of double meaning of same words.
God don't get the joke - God wasn't there
Holocaust was so bad - God wasn't there.
Maybe its the language/literature/sources difference.
Now i don't get how this is jap at Christianity (at religion overall maybe, but why at Christianity precisely?)
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It's "jab". And Christianity because that's the usual (default) context of discussing "Heaven" and "God". Also he's supposed to be omnipotent and benevolent but did nothing to fix any of the terrible things happening on Earth on any official record, which is why saying "you weren't there" in that context is funny – it provides unusual subtext to the phrase. A pun, however, is something with actual wordplay in it (more specifically it would involve words or even phrases taking entirely different meaning depending on how you read them – in case of words it involves homonyms, in case of phrases it involves literal versus figurative sense of an idiom).
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We don't really have word for "pun" we only have "word play" (that is very similar but not exactly same term) so i could mix things.
"The pun, also called paronomasia, is a form of word play that exploits multiple meanings of a term, or of similar-sounding words, for an intended humorous or rhetorical effect."
For me it still works as pun, since there is that "double meaning" play. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe its to mild for you, but no matter how will you call it - for me this word play is still main attraction here. Maybe im wierd.
And i still think its more directed toward "believers" overall nor only Christians. Its just simplified. But works both ways - targets certain kind of fanatism/naivety.
Because it would otherwise be like "ha ha , your Christian god didn't save all those Jews". And you would be surprised how many "good Christians" would say "good" to this.
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I made my first post on forum in long time. I was waiting for my ultimate punishmet for having opinion. SG never fails
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Let's see if I could get at least one by quoting history to explain why Christianity was related.
On 17 December 1941, seven Protestant regional church confederations issued a statement agreeing with the policy of forcing Jews to wear the yellow badge, "since after his bitter experience Luther had already suggested preventive measures against the Jews and their expulsion from German territory." According to Daniel Goldhagen, Bishop Martin Sasse, a leading Protestant churchman, published a compendium of Luther's writings shortly after Kristallnacht, for which Diarmaid MacCulloch, Professor of the History of the Church in the University of Oxford argued that Luther's writing was a "blueprint." Sasse applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day, writing in the introduction, "On 10 November 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany." The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words "of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews."
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Bishop Martin Sasse, a leading Protestant churchman
Who was a member of SA, NSDAP, and one of the heads of the Nazi church organization. Calling him a "churchman" as opposed to a declared Nazi & antisemite is a bit peculiar. He'd also been a soldier in WW1, while at it.
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The church called him a bishop, so obviously he is a man of the church. And he was following the teachings of the founding father of his church to the letter. So yes the very definition of a churchman. You know you can also be more than just one thing at a time right?
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We don't really have word for "pun" we only have "word play"
I don't know who that 'we' refers to but this thread is in English, which certainly does have the word 'pun'. And yes, the argument is based on the concept of 'pun', not just general 'word play'. As I mentioned, the joke here is based on expanded subtext, which is different from a pun as it's rooted in revisiting the same concept as opposed to forming a statement that connects otherwise unrelated meanings of a word/phrase. (So a pun would be something like "he became the lead actor after getting shot" – 'lead' here is used both in sense of relation and as a metal.)
As I said, concepts of "God" and "Heaven" in English-speaking culture default to Christian ones unless stated otherwise. Not all religions have them, and certainly not all of them are relevant here. At most, there's only one besides Christianity that could apply – Judaism (as it's the jewish ethnic religion), but still, the setting of the joke doesn't suggest any deviation from default so the context is definitely Christian lore (and yes, they generally don't realise that according to their own canon jews can't be in Heaven if they're not Christians).
you would be surprised
…I don't think I would be much surprised considering that Third Reich nazis also considered themselves "good Christians" (and no, that's not an invocation of Goldwin's law, but a mere statement of fact). Actually, I wouldn't be surprised regardless of knowing that, as calling oneself a Christian never seemed to make one actually follow even the most fundamental principles stated behind that religion unless it was convenient. As for whether it applies to other religions, I can't confirm nor deny as I hadn't have enough interaction or knowledge of their followers (nor do I care to find out, really).
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Luther argued that the Jews were no longer the chosen people but "the devil's people", and referred to them with violent language. Citing Deuteronomy 13, wherein Moses commands the killing of idolaters and the burning of their cities and property as an offering to God, Luther called for a "scharfe Barmherzigkeit" ("sharp mercy") against the Jews "to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames." Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, and smashing up their homes, so that these "envenomed worms" would be forced into labour or expelled "for all time"
But they were the epitome of a good Christian, you just keep mixing up being a Christian and actually being a good person.
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LeXofLeviafan - I didn't want to bring up language to say I'm right, i just tried to explain why i could use "pun" wrong.
As to targeting religion - the thing is that concept of heaven isn't important here - its just a tool not main topic.
Imagine you're someone coming from region where vast majority of "believing" people are christian, telling joke/critic about religion to audience that also comes from region that is mostly christian (and when i say "mostly" i say 90%+)...
Will you go out of your way to make sure that this joke fits every religion that has concept of all-mighty god?
No - you will tell that joke in context that is understood instantly by your audience.
Does this mean author is targeting this exact religion, or is he targeting certain behavior/believe - that in this audience is represented mostly by Christians? I think the latter.
Also this cant be Christian god, those Jews aren't baptized in Christian belief - they cant go to heaven xD - calm down this was joke (tho bit too close to truth)
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…Why are you responding to my argument by rephrasing it? :-D
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Many people that lived through Holocaust said that "there was no god there" or "god wasnt looking". /.../ Holocaust was so bad - God wasn't there.
Oh fuck, now I get it. Yeah, I was confused at the joke at first, thinking it was just an issue where a translation just won't work due to lingual differences. But nah, I just can't read between the lines.
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dumb people... offended-mode... moral spine... personal code... believes...SJW... attention... privileges... sacrifices...
Damn son.. you are on a roll.
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you're almost there but you have too many letters.
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This answer of yours is laconic to the point of vagueness. Is that a jab at me? Or at SJWs? Because if it's the former your skill at aggroing (or does this count as trolling?) is severely lacking.
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I wish there was an "I don't get it" option in the poll...
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It's somewhat funny I guess, but obviously its value is in the profound meaning behind it. So even though many people vote No, I hope some of them can appreciate it.
Those are my first thoughts, now I oughtta look at the discussion :)
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In written form, this joke kinda doesn't land IMO. Lacks the wackiness and timing of Žižek :P.
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i just translated and told this joke to a jobmate, without checking the link.
in the moment I was telling the joke, I kept realising that while it has a point of fun, it is so true and tragic.
I have to check back la vita é bella with my kids.
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Sry, i've been in Auschwitz museum, and still can't forget piles of childrens shoes, glasses and human hair. Not very funny sight, not the best topic for jokes either.
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Well it's not a joke about the holocaust, it's a story about how "God" fell asleep at the wheel and let "his people" down but I do take your point. Anyone who's been confronted with the brutal reality of it has a hard time seeing it as anything but the worst part of human nature
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Without context it feels a bit meh. You have to know the person telling the joke and sort of get what he means by it.
By simply reading these lines and interpreting them without the context I feel like this
Is it a joke about god not existing ? Is it comment on how god is incompetent and let something like that happen ? Is it meant as an offense towards christianity from the point of view from jews ?
I love dark humor and I dont have the problem with the thematic of the joke. Its just kind of meh without context for me
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What a great way to bait religious debate without directly instigating it.
Top notch behavior from support staff, here.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4 slavoj zizek the rapper :)
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I was at Slavoj Zizek's lecture last week in HNK and during his lecture, he shared a great joke with the audience. So now I'm leaking it to you. Pirating it, in some way even.
After the Holocaust and Auschwitz and all, most of the Jews are in heaven and two of them are sitting on a park bench and talking about what they've been through.
One says to the other: "Ishmael, do you remember when those guards were dragging you across the hall to the gas chamber and you happened to hit your head on the edge there. You cracked your skull open and died even before you got to the chamber haha! It's a bit funny when you think about it!"
The other goes: "heh yeah, I suppose it is kinda funny in some weird way"
Now, as they are talking and laughing, God is nearby and listening to them. He decides to approach them.
God says to them: "I'm sorry but....I'm a bit confused about your story. I mean, your friend would have died anyway so how can you laugh at this? I don't see anything funny in what happened to you. Sorry, but I just don't get it".
One of the Jews stands up, goes up to God, pats him on the shoulder and says: "well, of course you don't get it. You weren't there.
The giveaway is through this link
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