Blacklists, sgtools, lots of demands, oh my!

It is all relative. I have seen many people stating on these discussions that they do not have much money and even bundle games are hard to get. So for someone, bundle game can have big impact on finances.

Well, what I mean is sometimes those requirements save yourself from the stress of new people unfamiliar with the rules, scammers, or people that just don't care to do things right. I mean, it's one of the more annoying things out there when you try to do a kind gesture and have it get flipped on you for the worse.

But yeah, the elitist and/or exclusionist attitude some have here is a bit weird to me, too.

you cannot both eat the cake and have the cake. You say "yeah I feel like there should not be any limitations" and at the same time you say "yeah I really would prefer if my GAs would go to people A, B or C, but not D".

I think I can explain my position in a somewhat simple way:
I don't think that anyone can know for sure if they'll like a game or not before trying it for themselves.
Example: When I won Killer is Dead in a GA here I though I'd love the game since I normally like the genre, but I got bored to death by its gameplay in just a couple of hours. This made me feel awful with the person that gifted it to me, until I realized that I had no way of knowing beforehand. It was no ones fault, just a thing that happened.

But with sgtools my biggest fear is that it is actually punishing people for their gifting habits. The whole CV/level system is supposed to exist to recognise the gifters without much consideration about HOW they do it. But now if someone thinks that you're not doing it "the right way" you are suddendly a "bad guy".

^exatly this
you don't like puzzles - don't do puzzles
you don't like levels? don't do level GAs
you don't like blacklist? don't use blacklist

but you not liking a feature doesn't mean it's not usefull for others.

not jusging what was the actual reason - but strangely enough 99% of these threads are created by people who did something in the past, are blacklisted because of it and somehow only such people create topics about "blacklists being unfair" ;)

You know, it's greatly depends on point of view. Is exclusion bad or good?
If someone excludes people who violate rules - he see is as good thing.
If someone gets excluded from giveaway - he see is as bad.
If someone get more chances because many people are excluded from the giveaway - he also would see it as good.
And, even more - it can be the same person in different situations.
Exclusions are neither good nor bad. It's how people see it.

No, cv measures how much roughly you spent on gifts. Nothing more, nothing less.

No mix of public and group GAs. I usually use whitelist for holiday GAs.

Agreed, it's not a butthurt thread. I'm just used to them because of the toxic community around here.

Yeah, they do that because they don't consider any consequences, and everybody wants to show that one guy how big his e-peen is and how much power he has by excluding him from his giveaways. I know that happens, quite a lot, but there is not much to be done, community is toxic.

Hence, Merry Christmas.

It's more like what people consider as being a dick, personally I see myself as just stating my opinion clearly, even if it has a potential to insult somebody, such as stating that particular action is stupid.

erm - you do realize that people have been using various 3rd party sites to make GAs for years? Most common - ITH puzzles - ITH is 3rd party site. But for exaple there's been also "dying links" (links that became invalid after X ppl viewed them), ppl posting GA links on their twitch streams, private links announced on FB pages, Steam Group announcemnts, blogs and so on and on.

And yes - this is the perfect direction to go in. Again and again - the contributor is the one paying his own money for game he's giving away. If he wants to make some restrictions instead of making it public lvl 0 GA - it's his right to do so. As he's the one paying money he has bigger right to decide that people who pay just free imaginary points and want to force him to do something else with his GA (aka telling him he cannot restrict it).

Well if people didn't break rules, or just be complete asses we really wouldn't need stuff like this.

One of the things I dislike about blacklists and putting someone on it just because they said thank you or didn't say thank you in a giveaway. I did that and got blacklisted for it because I didn't notice it when I first went in, even though I did read the description. There is another blacklist I am on, but I have no clue what I did or didn't do to get on it. I keep meaning to ask the person, but its just not a big enough deal for me to go and bug the person to find out why.

Nationality can kind of be controlled already, by giving away region restricted games. But yeah, I'm afraid as well that this comunity will focus more and more on the people that contribute a lot and less on the newcomers here.

For any reason giveaway creator may decide. If I want to make a giveaway for people with cute anime avatar in green color, from Singapore and username starting with K, why shouldn't I be allowed?

One quick view at my SG profile and I see that - considering I'm "trying " my best since I'm not rich and have to pay triple for games since outa reagion - and I see that I'm doing well better than most of the poeple around! - plus-, non " not activated games" anymore thanks to @ Notional...
And mentioned on a previous post, I got a double win from a private GA group which was a mistake! But man I would have been more carefully would I have known that the death penalty would be given for double wins.!
And last of all, considering that the "trading community" is run under SteamGifts, I think that at least in a moral opinion it should matter (but written facts are always better, aren't they) imo

Well, thanks for the headsup! Never considered buying and activating it, just did it thanks ^^ (even if it's a 1€ game and people just don't want anyone who " even by mistake" couldn't have have any "non activated gifts" on their profils)
btw, any clues about double wins =) ?

Welp. Meant to reply to the guy above!

To contribute more:
Community is deciding to punish rule breakers this is one way to do them. Sgtools restriction is another way to do that but guess what? That actually provides metrics or an idea why you were excluded. It's not as encompassing as a blacklist. Last week, I wasn't able to enter a GA because my ratio wasn't 2:1 but now I can. You can work on it if you were excluded.

Also another thing, there are individuals with their ratio skewed towards wins over sent but they're still on white lists, groups etc etc. Why? Because they contribute to the community. They're a positive presence.

Another thing, you've been here 4 years but I've never heard of you prior to this thread. Looking at your wins and GAs it seems like you haven't been active for most of that either? Maybe you've been watching from the sidelines all this time but you're claiming concern for the community all of a sudden when you've rarely contributed or participated. Of course people active in the community will go "Who's this guy?" The community has a long memory. They're going to remember you for opening this thread, and it might be the last thing they remember about you if you don't contribute furthermore to the community. Like I said prior, it doesn't have to be just GAs. Be active. Be a positive presence.

United kitties. :')

Yep, that must be it. For some reason I was thinking the trouble was marking an item recieved he never got. That's very common around here.

Why wouldn't having tools that enable giveaway creators to choose whom they want to give their games to be a good thing?

but again - you're saying like it's some new direction - options to exclude/include certain people into your GAs has been on Sg since years - special rules, blacklists - were all avaiable years ago already, same with group, private-shared or puzzle GAs, CV/level requirements and so on. Why you suddenly find them so bad and speak that it's wrong dirtection, while it's been like this for years and it keeps working.

I think your perspective sees these tools in negative view. Instead of looking SGTools and such as a negative limiter, one can view them as positive aspect that allows more giveaway to be created. Before certain giveaways were hidden behind groups and such but now they can be posted semi-publicly on the discussion.

For example ratios and no rule breakings have been quite general rules for getting accepted into groups. Nothing new here. The new thing is that now any member who sees the giveaway can try to enter into such a giveaway without going through the group recruitment hassle.

I will echo tubberware. I use SGTools to give a broader reach rather than limiting giveaways to a group or whitelist. If you feel excluded by that then that is on you. I have instead, in my view, included a lot more people than I would have. The tools will hopefully encourage people to clean up their act and create an even better community.

But it's never a nice feeling to feel excluded on the forum give aways for no apparent reason.

The more I read your replies, the more this seems like the underlying tone of your whole thread. I know there are replies of mine you've ignored too. You've been blacklisted, you feel bad so you ask the community to make the GA creators to feel bad for you under the guise of the community which you yourself admit you minimally participate in. That's very disingenuous.

Level restrictions -> Exclusion
Whitelist giveaways -> Exclusion
Group giveaways -> Exclusion
Blacklists -> Exclusion

Exclusions have always been part of this forum, and will always be part, and even so the community keeps growing.
You can see them as privileges for certain people, kinda reward for their behaviour inside the community, instead of exclusions for the rest.

Its my personal view and opinion, i cant talk for others;

hell some even like and find useful to kill, rape, behead etc. innocent ppl should i just be quite about it too? cant i have opinion about things?

All these things doesn't go unnoticed and i can still have my opinions about things can't i?

PS:

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So did I, which probably doesn't surprise anyone ;-)

Thank you.