Was just gonna post a thread on this but I'm glad I checked the forum again. :D
I guess it'll be harder to get a low price on price errors since most traders usually just buy a bucket load right away and find buyers after the fact.
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Hmmm, thinking about it, price errors can still be taken advantage of. Just without the safety net of the trading window. They can still send gifts from their inventory, just not trade them until the 30 days are up. It does mean that scams will go a lot higher now though.
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Yeah the backlash would be crazy if they did that...
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What they say though I think they aim to hinder price error abusing and/or RU store using super traders
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How trade will work now: (A is selling, B is buying)
B send his keys in trade window
A send the game as gift
game gets revoked
B wont get his keys back, cause he didn't traded the gift in trade window, but A still has the keys
GG merry scam and happy new year
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in theory, but this opens up entirely new cans of worms.
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That is true. Well done valve for making more people get scammed. Also it's quite clear that there just trying to stop the trading of Russian gifts and they don't care about the scammers.
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Sorry if it got too long, I added a tl;dr at the end.
While you are right that a game can get revoked at any time - up to 6 months depending on your payment method as far as I know; I was referring to a basic flaw in your setup as a whole.
First, you can still trade for the game using the Trade-Window. The trade ban is only applicable for 30 days. If you chose, nonetheless, to trade beforehand than it is akin to trading with someone for a game-key instead of a game-gift.
Second, just like when trading for game-keys you would look for someone with rep. Otherwise, you have a high risk of getting scammed.
Third, most people still receive their credit statements in the mail. If you ever read he small print you probably noticed a line stating something like "...if you do not respond within 30 days to the contents of this letter than you consent..." ; In other words, you have up to 60 days dispute a payment in standard CC.
TL;DR, Valve shows tough love by saying 'we know most of you are dumb so we decided not to stop the next one from sticking his fingers in the electric socket'.
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Or maybe you should just work on your understanding of trades and scammers.
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Of course, but that worked before as well. It's ridiculous imho. If they don't want region trading then they should find a proper solution, not making stuff like this.
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Oh I agree, not to mention people will be forced to give first and then be gifted the game later or vice versa. Honestly I think thats going to cause more scams. Not to mention you can still charge back gifts, which is why they implemented this in the first place.
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Yes, but Valve will no longer have to return whatever got stolen from you because you will have "gifted" it to the scammer.
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Get ready for the automated response:
'Unfortunately you decided to gift those items, so there's nothing we can do. We are not responsible for whatever deal you might have agreed outside the trade window. In the meantime, make sure to check out the newly released Operation Vanguard, it's just $5.99 on our store! Be quick, as this promotion only runs until February 10th, 2015.'
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srsly ? i would reply with 10 lines of insult to "make sure to check out the newly released Operation Vanguard"
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This is basically Valve covering their asses. Scamming will actually go up, since scammers will just use this excuse to ask people to send their stuff first and then either don't gift the game, or send the gift and do a chargeback as they already do. And when that happens, you won't be able to contact support to ask for your items back, since you effectively gifted them. They're just screwing a lot of newbies and people who don't usually trade, who will fall victim to scams even more often, while at the same time destroying the game trading ecosystem.
They're also cutting down on pricing error hoarders and your usual regional trading to get better prices. Why bother doing things the right way, when you can just restrict them altogether. Ridiculous decision.
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Thinking about it, people can still gift the games purchased through price errors through their inventory I think. It removes the "insurance" you get from the trading window but you can still get it :/
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At least, I buy from the same guy since some weeks now and I trust him but still.... that means that I will almost be obliged to activate these games since it will be really hard and long to trade .. Even if I have a lot of rep, that still sucks for people who don't have rep...
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I guess dinner was out of the question too. No cookie, just the nookie.
Well, it only affects newly purchased gifts so i guess you'd better find a trader you trust or give up on trading all together.
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So if I'm not mistaken, it looks like you can just check the guy out on steamtrades, if he has legit rep, you then pay with paypal or give the keys, and then he gifts you the game.
Less secure, but will still work if the people are trustworthy, right?
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and you sheep still think valve is TEH AWESOME!!
all this does is change the system from USING the trade ssytem, to using the far more riskier GIFTING system, hoping each party wont screw the other over, and at the SAME TIME it allows valve to wash their hands of backing and supporting legitimate trades through the trading system. this WONT... WILL NOT... stop revoke issues, its purely for allowing valve to stop supporting victims of bad trades if a larger number go through gifting.
Valve has done a lot of scummy things lately, but this one really takes the cake. They're willing to let customers twist in the wind over gift scams just so that they dont lose money and expend effort on enforcing scams through the trade system. ALL HAIL VALVE! Such a good company that works hard for their customers!!
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they only think about money, trading gifts making less profit cause it usually gifts from russia/cis or glitch. But i think their sales will be less than usual cause there's no one willing making "shop"
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Steam games are bought for the convenience of having them all in one place as well as the collection factor. The latter is the same reason why people pay more for original casing/instruction manuals. If I wanted "DRM free" without the convenience of having a single download source and a collection to show off, I'd just torrent.
Don't get me wrong, Steam has its flaws, but I've thrown my lot in with Steam and given the choice between it and something like GoG I'd do it again.
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But in this case, it's not paying for original casing. It's paying to have seller thrown the casing into trash. That's why it makes no sense. GoG offers not only DRM free games, almost all of their games come with lots of extras Steam sells as 'collectors edition'. Soundtracks, manuals, artbooks, GoG has it all free instead of squeezing more money with DLCs. As for convenience, well, yes, as of now Steam is tiny bit more convenient, but once Galaxy is out even that tiny advantage will disappear.
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Not sure if it'd make a dent as it dosen't have steam's overall selection.
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I should get rid of my steam stuff and move to gog...
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At least they have the currency conversions done right, but even with the trading locks, most games are still cheaper to get on Steam.
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Is the bigger catalogue of games better when many games are awful? GOG actually has some quality control, which is why publishers like Strategy First can't dump their shitty games that barely work on GOG.
GabeN said on his Reddit AMA that Steam will become a self-publishing platform. That means Steam will be filled with crap and if you can't even run the game you bought, then tough shit because Valve doesn't offer refunds. Thanks to Valve we all get to enjoy games like Chickenman Is Faboules and ASTRALFOREVER YOUR DREAMS FOREVER.
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Of course nobody is forcing me to buy anything. More choice isn't always good, when the amount of bad games is much higher than the amount of good games. It will be harder to find the good games and the devs will suffer from that. Valve has tried to improve the visibility with the recent store updates, but it doesn't help much. Most people don't bother digging through hundreds of games to find a game that they think they might like. The situation would be a bit better if Valve at least offered refunds if the game doesn't work or is completely broken i.e. incomplete and full of bugs.
I'd rather have a smaller selection of games that work properly instead of a large selection with lots of broken games.
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LOL, I would rather get games from PirateBay then buy that DRM-free sh*t from GOG.
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Good to see Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well.
So often, as PC users, we get the DRM we deserve...
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... but not the DRM we need right now. So we detest it . Because it not our friend, it a nuisance , a jerk . It is a pain in the ass "
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to trade a lot during wintersale and then chargeback ftw
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mmmmm...well i just read here that a lot of people don't like to wait 30 days... That's your problem if you don't want to wait..or the people who just can't wait 30 days to trade.... I don't think it's a bad move... actually i think is ok...of course is not okey for the ppl that wants the games "NOW" but... Patience is a virtue. People with patience will be less likely to be scamed that the others ones..
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I don't think they affect keys or bundle links, which is how cheaper less popular things are generally traded.
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maybe valve pr will say something like that "that's your problem.." . when you buy gift and wait for 30 days to trade it will make it tiresome, so it will make ppl think you just buy it for yourself (or gift for your friend) not for trade. So trading is dead (or half dead) [not half life :lol:]
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This only means, ppl will buy more from semi-legal sites like G2A, where they sell Steam keys AND Steam gifts, for them it doesn't matter if it's not tradable, they can just gift it to an email. G2A, Kinguin and others will be extremely happy, party at G2A to celebrate "positive" changes incoming!
Also what can happen to tf2 key's prices now? Also the actual trading prices for all tradable games we have around should rise now.
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"All new games purchased as a gift and placed in the purchaser's inventory will be untradable for 30 days. The gift may still be gifted at any time. The only change is to trading.
We've made this change to make trading gifts a better experience for those receiving the gifts. We're hoping this lowers the number of people who trade for a game only to have the game revoked later due to issues with the purchaser's payment method."
Source
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