Peopls dont like changes and second peopls like to spit on everything. Some peopls will hate it no mather what and the other half is just gonna use it and dont pay atention to the bullshits on the forums.
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Its junk.
"I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space." - Gabe Newell
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Sadly, yes... and never again
Would be a little silly of me to have an opinion on something if I'd never tried it myself.
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Because for me is the most unstable system, that I ever had. Why? Simple task - Run PC, want goint to desktop from useless Metro, trying to run for example firefox and.... bluescreen :O ok, restart. And another one whats happend?, trying to go on the recovery mode - nope. So trying to use the DVD, It goes, but there is no option to refresh, because disc is locked, and no automatic repair because nope. And the funniest thing - after tring to reastart system... runs fine :O:O:O No sigh of erros, no sigh ot causes of problems in any tools... Just clear Trolling from Windows 8 and this happend even on windows 8.1 upgrade.
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Don't know why the hate. I'm using it since September (and I'm using Windows 8 not Windows 8.1). I got Start8 from Stardock and everything is working perfectly. Got much better startup times for my computer and don't have any problems with software or games. Haven't had any problems with Windows 8 itself. Yes, I had BSOD because of unstable graphics card drivers but that was AMD fault not Windows 8.
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In the last 6 months we got a new laptop with Win8, and my dad got a new PC with Win8. The last 6 months have been hell.
Programs are incompatible, the "App Store" is beyond broken and needs endless troubleshooting. The OS is so locked down that you have no permission to delete files on your own computer. Pre-installed junk like Norton is seemingly built into the code of the OS to ensure it's like pulling teeth to fully remove it
On top of that, Win8 seems to really mess with antivirus programs creating tons of false-positives where the same AV+Program cause no issues on Win7. I don't know how it does this but I have to create manual exceptions for all sorts of things where the same programs run fine on my PC.
Overall, I have put 10x as much time troubleshooting issues on Win8 machines in the last 6 months than I have on my Win7 machine in the last 2 years. Absolute rubbish.
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Yeh, I made up all these very specific examples just for lulz right? Call BS all you want, I know what I've been dealing with. The only BS here is Windows 8.
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Locked OS? Can't delete files? Norton? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I'm using Win 8 since beginning of September. I have no problems deleting files. I don't have Norton installed (why the hell anyone has Norton if Windows 8 has Windows Defender built in which is good enough if you don't go to suspicious websites yourself). I think you just got some strange version of it because only thing I have done with my Win 8 is installing Start8 so I can get old start menu back.
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Norton was pre-installed on the laptop. It wouldn't uninstall as doing that would freeze the machine.
Trying to manually delete Norton's files would give me a Windows error saying I didn't have permission to modify/delete those files (besides being the only admin on the PC). It took me hours to remove all of Norton's claws from the PC.
And no, this isn't some "strange version" of Win8. This is just an example that happened on one of the PCs, the other one has had multiple issues as well, usually with the same kinds of things. Win8 always seems to think it knows better and restricts you from doing certain tasks just because.
Do you really think I'm making all this up? Believe me, I wish I never had to deal with all of these issues as well.
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As I said - I don't have any problems with permissions and doing things on it. Yes, it sometimes give me safe screen or whatever it's called but I can just click on "Details" and then "Run" to get my program working. And to uninstall annoying shit like Norton (trust me - I have enjoyed it myself) try using CCleaner or YourUninstaller (this should work better since it doesn't use actual program uninstaller).
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Fair enough about Norton, but that was not the end of my issues. There was this bizarre issue where apps from the Windows Store would not download or update and it took hours of troubleshooting and searching through forums to get it working - another random bug on a PC that was about 2 days old.
Also, when I finally got my AV installed (Radialpoint) it picked up dozens of false positives and needed a bunch of manual exceptions to allow all my programs to work. Sure, that might seem like an AV issue, but I have the same AV on my Win7 PC and I've set exactly zero manual exceptions.
While Win8 may not be 100% at fault all the time, it seems to be the catalyst for issues. Doing the exact same task on a Win7 vs Win8 PC, the chance of something screwing up on the Win8 PC is about 100x higher in my experience.
Again, I have no reason to lie and I bought a PC with the OS so it's not like I'm dead-set against it - it's just broken and so far has been a miserable experience.
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Pre-loaded OS shit is the bane to the competent user's system.
heck how many average people know you can re-install windows7 on top of itself without formatting?
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That's not Win 8's fault. You need to blame pre-installed software your retailer put in it.
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Yes, Norton was the start of the issues. However, I've never had issues removing software from my Win7/XP machines. Win8 actively blocked my attempts to remove the AV.
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It wasn't Win 8. It was Norton itself. It's very annoying shit. I had it pre-installed on my old laptop when I bought it. Took me good time to get rid of it too. And I had Windows Vista pre-installed on it. So I won't call it Win 8 problem if it's Norton that's being shit.
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Well, a windows interface shouldnt be a hell as is, the "install those components" excuse is only valid for free software, not a final user.
I agree with op, win 8 is confortable to use when you learn to ignore the metro interface, but you know, metro is still the elephant in the room.
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Comparing Win7 and Win8.1 there isn't really any reason not to go with the improved version (8.1). Having had both, I'd instantly go with Win8.1 for many (minor) reasons.
But bashing newer MS-products has become sort of a hipster trend and Microsoft really isn't capable to build up some hype for new stuff. It creates one of the most advanced and innovative input solutions to date (Kinect) and has serious plans to reduce the costs of games for their console, but within few weeks they have to withdraw them because of fan-uproar and the Kinect has become somewhat of a hate-object. They have some serious PR issues.
While there isn't any reason not to choose Win8.1 over Win7 for a new system, there isn't any reason either, to switch from a working Win7. I guess that's the biggest problem right now. Without serious reasons, people don't like changes.
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The trendy thing is true until even offices want a downgrade like it happened with vista and it's happening now. Learn to difference a real shit move from microsoft from the clutter that trendy people on internet makes.
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I didn't say, Microsoft had done everything right in the past and also I didn't say that there are no reasons behind every trend. The complains against WinME or WinXP in its early stages had good reasons. WinXP however was pushed by MS with longtime support, several service packs and some other stuff to make it a good and successful OS in the end
Vista on the other hand is a perfect example of what I was trying to say: MS introduces something very new after XP and even before it was released everywhere in the world, they leaked (by Bill Gates himself) they were already working on Win7. No company wants an OS for some hundred pcs that is doomed at its birth. Of course most offices were angry with that. It is a "shit-move" to release an OS and already somewhat announce the next one. In the end however, the failure came from very bad PR. Vista was crap when it was released, but giving up on it was the bad sign, that nailed its coffin too early. Otherwise it could have become at least something that worked in the long run, even though there was a successor.
There is no real shit-move in Win8.1. Similar to the "new" look of MS Office back in 2009(?) it is just something, people complain about in the beginning, because they are not used to it. I've heard from many colleagues that they had to admit the new look improved their workflow once they got used to it. People also complained about the Startbutton for ages (pressing start to shutdown -.-) and when MS finally got rid of it, people complained about it being removed. Win8 improved many aspects of Win7 (faster boot, more stable, better tools, easier to install/reinstall etc pp), but it is getting bashed for 1 click after the boot (the one to bring up the Desktop).
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Let me get this straight, you think the always-online single-activation "we hate consumer rights" plan for Xbox One was done in order to reduce the cost of games? What?
PS: No one wants to dance around to control their video games. It isn't better. It's less responsive and makes you feel like a dork doing it. That's why no one likes Kinect except for girls that want to play stupid dancing games.
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Please be joking about Kinect... We have one for my son and it doesn't work. Not that it's broken, the technology just doesn't work as intended.
This is the process to play a Kinect game: Launch the game, sign back in, choose your hard drive, attempt to navigate all kinds of menus using motion controls that would be 100x easier with a controller, then play. Oh, did I mention that if you step away or if it "can't see" you for a second it jumps right back to step 1? That's right, sign back in, re-pick your hard drive etc etc etc. And you have to do all of this trying to hover your hand over an icon while it wiggles and glitches all over the place.
Biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a kid's toy, and he doesn't even like it that much. Much prefers to play a game using a controller. Even kids get annoyed by the way Kinect just doesn't do what you want it to do.
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I'm not joking, but I'm kind of on your side. What has been released for the 360 Kinect is mostly embarrassing. From the side of the technology however, it is extremely capable. I've worked on a project for the pc with one, also programmed some gesture-based controlling and I've seen hacked versions doing incredible stuff. You CAN develop great things with it, but Microsoft somewhat doesn't do so. If you rate the Kinect only based on the games from the XBox 360, you are totally right that it probably was a waste of money.
The Kinect is also not intended to replace a gamepad. It just offers new innovations. Where MS failed with the Kinect was the fact, that they thought of it like an improved Eye-Toy or something. They didn't communicate the possibilities to gamedevelopers. They didn't develop great things on their own. They didn't release a proper SDK for the PC (they now have, but it took ages). Etc pp.
That MS doesn't sell the XBox One without Kinect however is the right move to push the technology. You can compare it to the Wii: The Wii was always sold with those movement sensors and yet they could be used as normal controllers. Since a gamedev-company can expect every customer to own that sensor, they spent some time for making it work.
Maybe not at its release, but I expect the XBox One to make far more use of the Kinect. Not only for games, but for the full multimedia.
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Don't get me wrong, it looked cool and I thought the kids would love it. I did buy one after all :P
I just wish it was a light-hearted fun activity and not an exercise in frustration. I would have liked to see it do much more but so far they have tarnished the tech with what they have released for it.
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I actually like the new fullscreen start menu, I find it alot easier to manage and I can quickly find what I need, the UI is super fast and I like it... for a laptop, because on my PC I use Windows 7 because I had some bad mouse lag in Beat Hazard and that was on 8, not 8.1 which has even more mouse lag issues with alot of popular games.
I think I'll wait for the next Windows for my PC, it seems Microsoft hits it right on the second try.
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Because we are all loyal disciples of Lord Gaben and He has decreed that Windows 8 is a catastrophe.
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Windows 8 actually runs much better then prior Windows. Being part of a farming community we had access to all beta builds of every windows from 95 and up and thus far Windows 8 has been the best optimized. There is less stress on my CPU then Windows 7 and most games run better. That being said I did buy all Windows 8 compatible hardware. My TCIP connection has never been better and streaming Video games is a bit better/ though in Canada I don't pay enough to have a good upload rate to actually do it anymore. All the hate is mostly due to false speculation seeing as the people using Windows 8 are using it and the people not are the ones spamming the hate. That being said I guess it just comes down to the internet community having the same principles as racists: Spamming elitist hate over things they are ignorant of.
Edit note: Windows 8.1 added the start Menu that was there prior just no one was informed of right clicking the bottom right screen.
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Windows 8.1 did not add any start MENU. It just added a button to that metro thing. Don't try to compare the right-click menu on that button/in the corner, its functionality is not even near the old Win7 start menu. Come back when the metro does not need me to move the mouse cursor lightyears to start a program, when it has jumplists, when it has a recently used list for both programs and in the jumplist as well, when I don't have to wave my hands like an idiot to open settings, and so on. And the feature of allowing to dynamically split the screen between apps is.. a joke.
The metro was designed for tablets. And it is very good there, I would even risk that it is THE best tablet interface today. But it is awful, awful, aweful for 24+ dual screen, keyboard and mouse setups. Like, you know, what people are working and/or playing on.
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Exactly. Metro is a garbage Start Menu. I have to scroll all over the place to find anything, clearly designed for fat-fingers on a touchpad and not precision mouse/cursor controls. Adding a "Start" button to 8.1 that just opens Metro is not a solution.
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Of course Metro is still not where it should be, but the start menu was extremely useless and antiquated even with its newer looks or "clever techniques" to make it bearable. Giving support to people using office PCs, it is one of the things that MS really should have gotten rid of many many years ago. It is just garbage -improved since 1995- that we are used to work with and therefore think it is intuitive and useful.
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Any change from current navigation (like Start menu) should be transitional, optional, not imposed. Right now Win8 navigation would significantly worsen my workflow, and frankly I don't care if after a couple of months I would get accustomed to it. Fixing things that aren't broken is bad idea, especially when so many other things need to be fixed.
Cars still have driving wheels instead of sticks for the same reason, even though studies show sticks offer better reaction time after getting accustomed to - because at the beginning of transition process human error rate is disastrous.
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How is right-click not the start menu? You have all the features the start menu had. . . the only thing missing is the applications which are in the new button. . spam ignorance much?
I mean if you really don't like the change son't use it but to say false hoods just to seem like you have a valid point?? Like really now. I know new user interfaces can be scary I saw windows 3.1 to win 95. . . From Dos to windows. . I've seen OS2. The bullshit that is being said about windows 8 is just baffling. It is the most stable OS launch I've ever seen.
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I did actually go check my corporate laptop (it has 8.1) for this menu again. Sorry, but I have to conclude that you are too ignorant to actually read what you are answering to, or have zero clue what you are talking about.
All the features? That pathetic thing does not even have a static list of programs, not a list of recently used programs.
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meh, say what you want. the window thing shows where the applications were right click on it to get everything else. . .control panel, task manager run. . . I don't know what you figure is magically missing from any other integration of Windows. . . please inform me. I cannot see it. . . in fact I'm sure there's more. I'm running windows 8.1 and have been using windows 8 from launch. but if you do find a feature missing please do tell.
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I have no idea what this mouse lag is. I play games mostly FPS and RTS. . If I had the lag anyone was talking about. . . they would see it in my videos. . . If anything I've been able to play better with windows 8. Some games have issues with Windows 8 but the same games have the same issues with 7.
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If you can, Beat Hazard and move your mouse really quick left and right while shooting (shooting not required but helps to understand visually), you'll notice it will not be consistent and will go towards left or right, which means it misses some input.
I've made the exact test on Win7 and I definetly do not have that issue.
That's the game that I've experienced lag in, google for more affected games that you might own.
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see the mouse lag is a driver and game issue. . . I use a steel-series and haven't had anything noticeable. I Googled and it says 8.1 has lag issues but have not seen anything with BF 4. I watched streamers playing it and there is a glitch with windows 7 but nothing here. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist but for what you get with Windows 8 it is the best gaming OS until Steam OS. but 2 days ago there was a patch for people with lag.
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I don't doubt you've had issues. . . just that they are constantly being fixed. There will always be issues with all OS. Maybe sans Apple's but I like to game. It is just crazy how overboard people are going out of thier way to make Windows 8 seem like the Worst Os ever made - which in all honesty is far far from it. it's not the OS2 of our generation.
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I've played BH on Windows 8, not 8.1... and the 8.1 update brought mouse lag to more games, and from what I've understood, games that do not support raw input are affected by this, which kinda makes it Windows' fault :}
Anyway, the rest is fine, like I said, I like the UI, the desktop is fast, more functionality... but I don't need all that if I can't play my favorite games properly that I could play just fine on the previous version... so yeah, my choice was to not hassle with it anymore.
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What Canadian farming community has access to beta windows builds?
I grew up on a farm in central Ontario and had no such fun.
I did beta DOS 6.
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Rats. I would have loved to do more system breaking...er beta testing.
I did cut my teeth on 8k pets in school a million years ago.
Working up to 16, 32 then a C64. Then a 386x33 with 5 whole whopping megs of ram.
A bit smaller than my current 8 gigs.
Computers make me feel old.
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I remeber using the 386's having to partition just to get mechwarrior 2 to work ><. But yeah the worst part of all the beta Os's was when we upgraded to NT's. It meant that many many games were unplayable and seeing as every computer had to be in sync there was no gaming to be had. The worst was OS2. . . and then the box that we used to switch OS' I forget what it was but it was just a nightmare. And it was right after we figured how to play Red alert on the network too. . .
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The reason why I don't like windows 8, is exactly as you said: The start screen (it's not even a menu anymore) and the fact that it's designed for tablets instead of normal computers/laptops.
As for the "quick install of insert 3rd party stuff here" Why act like microsoft did the right thing when they clearly didn't.
They want to unify the interface over all devices, ignoring the fact that there's a reason for different devices having different interfaces: namely the input method.
Microsoft should never have removed the start menu, or at least have given an option to use it anyway.
As for the positive points, yes they are there. I actually use the OS on my laptop. But I still cannot agree that the start screen is a remotely good thing.
I'll stick with 7 on my desktop until microsoft finally realizes that the unified UI and apps on desktops/laptops is a retarded thing. Why did they ever think removing the taskbar is a good thing anyway? HEY GUYS LOOK! NOW YOU HAVE TO USE OUR ANNOYING START SCREEN TO SWITCH APPS! ugh...
(I'm talking about the apps apps here, like the windows 8 version of skype)
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I'm not trying to convince people that default Win8 is a good OS. Unless you like the Modern UI stuff, which I didn't, it's annoying as hell to navigate in.
What I'm trying to say, and I feel like I may have worded this a bit unclearly initially, is that Win8 can fairly easily be made into a better OS than Win7 could possibly be. All it takes is the installation of a single 3rd party tool.
In the recommendation of that alone, I may as well be beating MS with a stick and scolding them for not putting in the feature that the 3rd party software provides, and showing them how much better they could have made Win8 if they'd simply put a little more effort in. If they actually read my post, that is, which I can guarantee nobody in a position of power ever will :P
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Maybe to an average uses it looks like this. But I can assure you, on many levels it isn't. Still, current Vista is quite a nice system.
I'm looking forward to Win8.1, though I don't expect too much of it. Hopefully there will be better OS available when I build new rig again. I never change OS alone, it's only sensible when I build new hardware.
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Ok, I could understand all of the anti-hype around Windows 8 when it first came out, and I definitely don't think that people should shell out $100 to go from Win7 to 8. However, when you're buying a new PC and getting a new OS, why not go with Win8?
It's got a great implementation of a multi-monitor taskbar, a much better File Explorer, and a much better Task Manager (when you tell it to close something, it actually works). Benchmarks have shown that it's a bit faster in games than Win7, and it uses slightly fewer resources. Nothing to write home about, but that does matter on weaker computers.
Most of the complaints come from the scary new Start Menu and the obviously tablet oriented apps. A quick installation of Classic Shell gets rid of both of those horrible beasties, and allows you to add in custom links (which, if I'm not mistaken, you can't do in Windows 7).
In case you're not familiar with Windows 8, here's what my copy looks like atm: http://i.imgur.com/iz7eWg2.jpg
Can somebody shed some light on why one should ignore Windows 8 when they're getting a new PC?
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