Does the "One man's trash is another man's treasure" quote apply on SG.
Do whatever you want and let others do whatever they want. As long as it is not against site rules.
If you don't want people to try to change your mind about using auto-join scripts and accept it you should be the first to respect your own rules and not trying to change THEIR minds about it. Instead accept that some people don't like it. You said that people can filter people using auto-join scripts by making private giveaways - first of all it would be unfair towards users who don't spend time on forums, secondly if you don't mind people filtering auto-joiners from humans you should consider blacklisting as a kind of filter. And before you'll say that it is unfair because you don't always use the script I'd say don't be selfish, cos it is more fair than stopping doing public giveaways and taking away a chance from thousands of people so just one could join giveaways. And as I said - let people decide what their ethic is, don't call it butthurt. Respect their opinion first.
Using auto-join scripts is against the site rules and we all know what auto-join script is intuitively, and questions like "define auto-join script" are just excuses to find a loop hole in the rules which means not respecting these rules and trying to be smarter than site's founder and support stuff. We all exactly know what are auto-join scripts, we do.
I am not against auto-join though. I am not for them either, I am neutral about all of this.
Disclaimer - this is not a personal attack, just an opinion, and if it looks like something else it is just because internet discussion do not allow you to give enough information about your attitude etc :)
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I called people butthurt, because they have a lot of solutions they can use, solutions offered by the website itself. Yet, they are the ones who try to outsmart the site creator, not me. I've read the guidelines, and I find them explained better than anyone can explain them here, it's just about their meanings, some might understand them differently than others.
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I don't care if you use autojoin. I just don't understand WHY you do it! Do you want to win many bad games and farm them? Well, whatever then. :P But it was causing high traffic, so it was "hurting" the site. Still, there wasn't a rule CLEARLY stating that autojoining giveaways is against the rules, but there was only an unclear rule about it, so there could have been a warning at first to prevent people from using it, instead of massively banning a lot of people. :P
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Auto-join bot can enter only games from your wishlist for example (and I believe that you can make a script that will enter only specific games too) so it not necessarily means that they are entering everything they can :) So it may be useful tool if there are giveaways that you're interested in for example during your sleeping time which you wouldn't be able enter without auto-join.
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I don't use autjoin bots, I use an autojoin extension. There's a difference, people who were banned were using a bot that tries to join giveaways every minute, obviously it's automated. The autojoin extension I use, only allows me to join giveaways based on my points and it's not automated, it can't be done unless I press the button, which I rarely do, since I usually join forum giveaways. That's the thing, cg had a thing against it a long time, but he never stated it officially. And the people who were banned, were banned because of high traffic, not because of using the autojoiners. So far the mods only say autojoiners aren't allowed, but haven't to start to ban for real because of them.
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Dear OP,
Thank you for another thread filled with glorious discussion about something that in a decent world wouldn't need to happen.
You are in the wrong though.
Autojoin scripts - A) not allowed and against the site rules (I trust in the Mods to know) and B) a bit disrespectful.
A bunch of fine people have already explained it to you, but I will give you my opinion as well.
If you click that button, you skip the description (usually), but what if that description holds something of value/importance? What if the gift is only able to be activated in Germany (example)? I haven't seen an option to restrict giveaways to Germany and there are certain censorship laws that restrict some games, due to violence or other reasons. I am no expert on this, by far, but by disregarding the description you may cause some hassle that could have been avoided. That's just one reason to read the description; there are more.
I, myself, find it rude to not give at least a cursory glance on the descriptions.
Now, have a good afternoon!
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Sure, I agree. But I'm not using a bot that joins every giveaway it finds, even private ones. I'm using an extension that allows me to join a giveaway without opening it in a new tab, I have the right to do so, because I'm not obliged to read the description, whether it holds something important or not. Because if the description said the game is region locked and I won, the creator can just reroll me, as simple as that. For me, the only giveaways that deserve giving the curtosy to read their descriptions, are the ones private, because apparently their creator wanted a better pick, public giveaways are usually done without descriptions, without even thinking who the winner is.
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Agree to what?
I didnae say that you are using a bot, mind you. I wrote about scripts.
I believe that one should make an effort, but if that's too much work for you to be a nice and courteous person, it's your loss. Pity.
Hypothetically making a creator reroll you, just because you didn't have the time to read a bit of text only makes more unnecessary work for the support...
Your opinion towards private and public giveaways? I can't comprehend where that elitism comes from. Enlighten me, if you will.
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People who make private giveaways, do so because they want certain people to join, and also avoid autojoiners. They found a good solution to their problem. If they were that smart to find such solution, I feel obliged to have the courtesy to read their descriptions, because they wanted no autojoiners and people to read their descriptions, I can give them that. But for people who make public giveaways(with no level restrictions) do know autojoiners can occur, but they're not doing anything about it but whine and whine and whine... I can't actually do anything for them unless they do something for themselves.
P.S: My head hurts a loot right, I tried my best to express this the easiest way I could think of. So don't judge before you understand it correctly.
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Thank you for explaining your view. still think your wrong, though, IMHO.
I suggest sleeping it off for the headache.
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And would you mind saying why I'm wrong? Is it simply becuse we have different opinions?
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As i said, in my opinion you are still wrong. I can't make you see my POV, and you certainly can't convince me of your way. I gave you my reasons in the answers above already, and I'm in the middle of setting up a nice jigsaw for some bundle leftovers and maybe something "nicer", we'll see. I'm practically poor, I'll have to calculate how much I can realistically spend.
I don't see anything wrong or less worthy of attention with the public giveaways. a giveaway is always a giveaway, no matter their exclusivity. All worthy of consideration.
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I don't like people autojoining stuff. Since that decreases my chance of winning. Just something normal.
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But who does autojoin wants to win as well, right? I'm not using a bot btw, I'm not entering hundreds of giveaways a second, the highest amount of giveaways I joined in a single day was 34.
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something weird.
(cant reroll for custom rules though, just sayin)
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I hate auto scripts.
I stayed on this website because of the community, auto scripts destroy that. One this I love making is private, group or whitelist giveaways because it takes majority of auto scripted out. Take a group giveaway, it's full of people with opinions on topics, advice in life or games and a passion for what I may be giving away. The comment amount on the giveaway is ironically larger and are filled with more than just an auto spam of "thanks" "thank you" etc. I get to know the person I'm giving games to. There is more than just a giving a game, more than just a bit clicking enter and pasting a heartless comment with a script. Using a script is rude. A giveaway creator might spend a few minutes, hours or days planning descriptions of conversation, trains or events and you cannot just press enter and give a little thanks from you and not use a script. I want a sea of people in this website, not bots.
Do not ruin the community by using a script. It kills me to think that people cannot be active in even just saying thank you from the person entering, it doesn't matter if you feel you have nothing to say in a serious or silly conversation on a thread or giveaway. Just please let me feel like I'm giving to a person.
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Hear, hear!
Not using auto-join scripts and taking the time to read the description of the giveaway creator isn't rocket science, it doesn't take hours to read them and it's just the proper thing to do, period!
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If I'm able to export all the GAs I've entered, you'd realise the majorit of them were private, weren't entered automatically. The ones I enter automatically are usally trending and recommended giveaways made publicly, and I don't use a bot, I just use an extension that allows me to enter without opening the page(it's done for the lazy, right?). People tend to mix between a bot and a script.
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My point still stands. You won't go onto the giveaway page, therefore you are cutting out the main reason I want to give to this site.. the social connection. You may as well be a bot in my eyes. That may seem harsh but it's true. I would look at you... commentless and send the key and never think of you again. Whereas, in a group I know people by name and their stories/interests. Sometimes I base my giveaways on their interest in a genre. You are too lazy to show that I guess...
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I am lazy to show that in public giveaways. If I'm to join a private giveaway, whether it's a whitelist or group one. I'd read the description, and I'd do what the creator wished I'd do, I've done it several times. Just because I know the limits, and I have several limits; one of which is that public giveaways are public for a reason, anyone can enter.
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You are putting a stigma on public giveaways, which is what I said previously... I dislike doing publics because of these scripts... That is why I only put "gl" in my descriptions. If people like you don't put in the effort, why should I?
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You're still not trying to understand my words. I put the effort in private giveaways because they deserve the effort, I consider public giveaways unworthy of the effort because they were made public to anyone, and the creator should be aware of that and shouldn't expect anything from over 25k people, just because it's public.
Take for example a private giveaway obtained only by solving a puzzle, aren't anyone who actually solved the puzzle worthy of the giveaway content? Whether they read the description or not? They made the effort the first time. Public giveaways don't have such effort, so I'm not obliged to see the description. Ttry to understand what I said before you reply.
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I understand every word you said. Private or public, it's still a giveaway that someone has paid for out of their own pockets, in most cases. Show a little respect and click on the giveaway link. I don't care how many enter, I just want to know it's going to someone that cares enough to read and comment... Not through some automated script.
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Then I hold my right not to be nice.
That's a thing you don't want to understand yet, I'm nice to people who are nice, not the otherwise. If I solved a puzzle, I'd be nice to the creator and thank him because he did the right thing by not making a public giveaway and avoid all the wrong in the world.
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so basically... If I give AAA games to the public I am not nice? If I give hundreds of bundle games to the public, I am not nice? But if I do a puzzle... I am the nicest person ever? Okay.
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You're aware of the issue, you make non public giveaways. You're then a nice person, because you chose to avoid the problem from its root, public giveaways. But if you're aware of the problem and you still make public giveaways and whine about it afterwards, then you're not a nice person.
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Well... I'll continue to not be a nice person and giveaway games...
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You still haven't got to the point. It's a shame. (Public giveaways the way I mean, are the ones with no restrictions at all, including levels).
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I have realised there is no point in trying to talk to you. From reading this thread you seem to have this mindset and don't want to see a different perspective. I'll continue to do what I do on this site, I guess you do you...
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I'm seeing this from every possible perspective, I'm just trying to explain mine, it's you who don't wan to understand it. I already undersstood your autojoiners are bad and forbidden, I reached that point, I just would like you to understand what I'm saying.
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That's the issue here, Rockyy. You're not. You're trying to force people to agree to your perspective and completely dismissing anything they say with excuses of your own for not doing it, to the point of being disrespectful (and even sexist in one instance) to do so.
Multiple people have stated why they dislike autojoin. A question you asked. Every. single. reply from you has been you defending your use of it, and not a single reply from you has shown even the slightest understanding of why people dislike it.
So yes, people are getting frustrated when the conversation becomes one-sided. Why should anyone try to see your side of things when you don't pay them the same courtesy? /sigh
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I did pay them the courtesy by understanding what they said and agreeing, I didn't say autojoiners are good so use them, I didn't say they're not forbidden by the rules. I'm just trying to show why my opinions exist, no one wants to understand that. Because all of you are the ones seeing this from a single side, and if you think calling a woman a woman is sexist, then you're very wrong and you should reconsider your thoughts.
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when an opinion makes a woman girly, because the opinion doesn't match yours, that's sexist. That's the way I see it. Go get rid of your headache.
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Then expain them what's wrong with going to a female dog and calling it a bitch? Or going to a chicekn and call it a cock? It's the same. She showed an attitude of a girl whilst she's a woman, and a girl is her initial state, she started her life as a girl, so there is nothing wrong with calling her a girl... If you did the same I'd tell you stop being a kid, because you are no longer a kid apparently, but you were once a kid, which is not an insult by any means. You might understand this and you might not, because in my lanaguge a kid is what a young male is called and a girl is what a young female called, they're just initial states that reminds you of how you were and what you've become now.
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Dude, because I use the masculine form (it's sounds cooler, and was built using my admittedly shaky-ish school latin), you might have been led to believe that I'm not a woman. Let me clear this up, I'm a woman, I have a clearly feminine first name. My foes call me Jenny.
And I do believe there might be a language barrier. But calling a woman girly has some bad feelings and stereotypes associated with it in my mind.
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I'm sorry, didn't know you were woman. Just think of it without what you have in mind, if I call a female in general a girl, or a woman, does that sound wrong logically? It's your nature, you are a woman, then why don't you want to be called a woman?
P.S: I understand you believe that you think some consider a woman is less than a man, so telling her "stop being a woman" is insulting. I don't consider a woman is less than a man, or a man less than a woman, I just know a woman is not a man and a man is not a woman, they have some differences that are unique, thus can't actually compare them with.
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Do you really want to have this discussion, when you yourself have stated that you have a headache? I'm a bit busy anyways, since I am DMing in about 5 hours.
Have a pleasant night, I'm not gonna talk to you anymore today. You don't make any sense to me anyhow.
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My headache is not a reason to make me stop talking, it's just a headache, it'll go away either ways. I'll make sense to you when you decide to understand.
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Because all of you are the ones seeing this from a single side
That's exactly the reply I expected from you, because you're parroted it in every reply to anyone who disagrees with you when answering a question you asked. If you can't handle the answers, don't ask the questions. Just some friendly advice. Asking the question implies you want their perspective, not the other way around. We already know why we don't like autojoin -- it was you who asked why we don't, and we replied.
Clearly you didn't want their perspective, however. You merely wanted a forum to further your own agenda.
and if you think calling a woman a woman is sexist, then you're very wrong
No, I think saying "don't be girly" is demeaning to women in general and very sexist. Using the female gender to generalize people in a derogatory manner is pretty much the definition of sexism.
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Read this about the girly issue. If I told her something like "you belong in the kitchen", then sure I'd definitely be sexist in this case.
The thing you haven't understood yet, is that I'm no longer trying to discuss the "autojoiners are good or bad" subject. I've already got answers I seeked. I'm trying to explain why I have my opinions, they're not wrong, because they're just opinions, and if they're against yours thus you consider them wrong, then you're mistaken.
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No, just no. Calling someone "girly" implies that being female is a negative thing. Period. Saying "you belong in the kitchen" is the same damned thing. Demeaning a gender like that for any reason is uncalled for.
And yes, most of us understand now that you're just trying to explain your side of things (I said exactly that in my previous reply), but that's not what you asked in the OP, is it?
TLDR version - you made this thread for you under pretenses of caring what others think.
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If you understand what I'm seeking now, and that's the contrary of my original post, why are you bothering replying me? You could just stop, or is it you want to prove something I already know?
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I read that already, and it's about the most illogical thing I've read in my life, and very insulting to boot. It's what actually prompted my reply, because it's just you making excuses for insulting and dismissing someone.
It's just my way to tell you you're not being who you really are and you're actually letting your emotions control you
I read that below as well. You do realize emotions are a big part of what make us who we are, right? But again, you're just trying to excuse your blatant sexism and dismissal of someone's reply based on their gender. You even bothered to apologize, then went on to excuse yourself yet again. /sigh
I've been pretty impartial to this point. Now I just plain don't like you.
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I wasn't being sexism. Period. And I don't need you to like me, I don't even know you. Unlike you, my excuses are valid and honest, I meant what I said, and I'm not trying to go around, as you're trying to do.
P.S: Emotions define us, but when exceeded, they don't..
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Sigh, some just can't think beyond "reward must be greater than effort put in".
I'm glad those won't make into places like BAA. Seeing people opening GA just to read and comment would melt his head )
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I am so thankful that I am in groups of people that are actually nice! People like the OP make you guys all the more great! <3
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I'm sorry if it insulted you, I did not mean to insult you, nor offend you to irritate you. It's just my way to tell you you're not being who you really are and you're actually letting your emotions control you. Again, calling you a girly was a wrong move, eventhough I don't really consider it an insult, at least in my native tongue.
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Yeah we need to stop having emotions... Mullins stop being a human please ;3
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I am lazy to show that in public giveaways.
If there was a bot that did the same with private giveaways, such as my ArchiBoT code, you'd do the same, because you would be able to get even more lazy than you are.
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Not really, I wouldn't. Because I already said, people who make private giveaways deserver the courtesy more. And why do you always give example with your ArchiBoT?
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something weird.
Obviously a touchy subject. An auto-joiner is against the rules of the site, yet the other rules of the site encourage people to use them just to join giveaways so that they don't 'lose' points when they're capped at 300.
In an ideal world, gifts could be shared fairly without people feeling like they would gain an advantage from using an auto-joiner; making them obsolete.
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I give away games because I want people to be my friends. If they use autojoin, they will not be my friends. :(
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I've never entered a public giveaway of yours, only private. So nothing tow worry about here, I know my limits.
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I don't care about auto-join.
However, not caring about doesn't mean that I am/will use one. These kinds of scripts aren't for me. And if it's not allowed, I will only defend someone that wasn't aware of the rule. If it's someone doing it constantly, knowing about the rules, I will not support them.
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But I survived and saved the town afterwards as Investigator!! :3
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Autojoin is often seen as disrespectful; often, people will have something in the description of their giveaways, such as something they want you to check out on Greenlight or something they want you to read (a personal story or a joke or something) and autojoin means that users never see anything the giveaway creator intended them to read. Also, private/group giveaways are not always great alternatives because some groups/SGtools giveaways have public giveaway ratio requirements, which can block out many users if they don't want to make public giveaways because of bots/autojoin/leechers/rule breakers, etc. Making one of these groups a protected class makes some people uncomfortable.
Also, it is reallllllly hard to tell an autojoin user from a bot user, which makes things slightly more complicated; whatever your feelings are about autojoin, bots are clearly against the rules and pretty much no-one likes them.
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I'm not a bot, and I don't use a bot. That's something no one wanted to understand so far. I'm following the site rules by not using a bot(mechanic or randomly-generated). The creator of GA should also follow the rules, one of which says no special requirements, so I am not really obliged to read the description. I can just open a giveaway right now, with a ton of words, enter it and ignore it, because the rules grants me that right. Isn't that correct?
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Disrespectful does not mean it's a rules violation; just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean you shouldn't. While you are by no means required to read the description of a giveaway, it's common courtesy to at least see if someone potentially giving you something for free has something to say. I don't read all the descriptions of every giveaway I enter, and there are times I read it and don't respond, usually because of a lack of time, but I still open the giveaway to see if there's something. If someone spends the money to give away a game for free, I feel that I am obligated to at least show a modicum of respect towards the giveaway creator.
Also, I never said you used a bot, just that it's hard to distinguish. The technical distinctions between using a bot and an autojoin script are minor, and it's very difficult to tell by parsing data whether someone is using a bot or an autojoin script because the two look essentially identical (many entries in a very short time).
Your comment on "no special requirements" is kind of oxymoronic given the fact that in your giveaways in this thread you say that if someone doesn't comment something with something weird in this thread they'll be rerolled. :3
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It could be, but people on the internet don't always get sarcasm from text; just look at all the people with "weird" in their comments. Clearly they think it's binding.
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Your comment on "no special requirements" is kind of oxymoronic given the fact that in your giveaways in this thread you say that if someone doesn't comment something with something weird in this thread they'll be rerolled. :3
I already said in the giveaway page that I did it for the lols and I wouldn't actually reroll for it.
I feel that I am obligated to at least show a modicum of respect towards the giveaway creator.
That's up to you, and only considers you. If you feel good when you do it and bad when you don't do it, that's your thing. I feel good when I do it as well, but I wouldn't feel bad if I don't do it. I'm tlaking about the rules, because the rules granted me the right not to read the description and feel okay, if the creator was eager about that, he can blacklist whomever didn't it's that simple.
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First of all, I wonder why people are so butthurt about people who use autojoin scripts while they have all the means to stop that from happening, I mean, you could just make private giveaways the whole time and you're fine, gooosh. Second of all, I do use an autojoin script(I admit), but only when I feel like I need a button to smash, and when I actually have 300p(which is rare since I joined forum gibs lasting for weeks and weeks the whole time). Third of all, SG says my win percentage is at %100 tomorrow and it was already %100 today and I already won twice, is that legit. Fourth of all, a lousy gib(s)
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