this is why OPs usually summarize what the thread has said once it gets large, in the OP :D
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Sadly, the SGS community is no longer as active as it was before :( I used to write reviews of the games I play over there but I stopped after my second because no one is there to read them :)
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I still use it on a rgeular basis to check steam sales :D
The community is quite boring, there is just one big topic left: Invites for Steamgifts.com :D
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I used to use the trade topic. I wanted to trade Tom Clancy's splinter cell and a spare retail copy of prey that I had bought, but no one was interested in trading. So I gave away the prey copy and my next one will probably be splinter cell if no one picks it up...
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I'm guessing that the cd-keys that we are discussing about also include voucher codes that come included with certain computer components, notably video cards? In that case, I would vote to keeping cd-keys on SteamGifts.
Although I have not read thoroughly the opinion of users here, I agree with the argument that cd-keys might involve scams or problems in regards to the original owner of the CD. Nevertheless, banning cd-keys altogether would eliminate potential legitimate (which will probably be the majority) giveaways, and this will negatively impact SteamGifts.
I feel that a compromise would be to mark giveaways as real Steam gifts or cd-keys and to warn users of potential scams associated with cd-keys before they participate in the giveaway. This gives the user the option to participate or not in the giveaway with full understanding of the risk.
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I say no.
However, there needs to be a rule to tell where you got your key on description of giveaway. Giveaways for keys obtained from Polish website (Dark Messiah MP key for example) needs to be removed straight away and user must get punished for not reading rules.
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Alright.... Here's my view.
If the game is natively available through steam, then No, the CD key should be given away.
HOWEVER, if the game has a CD-key that will work through steam, but, is not available through steam (Prey, for example!), then it should be allowed.
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No, it's not. There is nothing in a standard Steam gift exchange that exposes you to hijacking.
By Valve's own documentation possession of the physical key product is enough to verify ownership of an account.
If a user obtains a product on Steam by fraud and gifts it to you then Steam has a digital paper trail back to the originator of the transaction and can deal with their account.
If you are given a key obtained via fraud via a third party site like here, or a forum, Steam's only documentation of the transaction stops at you. This would put the burden on the receiver of the gift to prove that they are not the initiator of the fraud.
Not that it would be common, and not that Steam support would be unreasonable. The potential blowback of the key exchanges outweighs the benefits of them. It's a security risk for accounts and sets up the community as a reputed hub for laundering exploited keys.
The more legitimacy the community has in the eyes of observers the greater the possible benefits that could be seen in third party participation as well.
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he won't be able to access your profile, until he also hacks your email.
also that guy can "prove" he bought one of your games, but you can prove, you bought every other game in your profile! you have the payment information for that. And Valve has enough information about your payments to check you. But they don't have any info about that CD. it might have been photoshoped btw.
so the truth is at your side...
a scan of a cd-key is not an only way to prove your identity. there are actually three ways, described on that steam page! the second and third are telling some info about your bank card or your paypal account.
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Ban for this? Nonsense.
What about gifts from carded/stolen cards?
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Cause not only russians do this.
Google about Albert Gonzalez. He's from russia too?
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Ban for this? Nonsense. What about gifts from carded/stolen cards?
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5854-QWLN-2621
Actually it will most likely lead to the game being revoked, not your whole account being suspended. Only after multiple times could that happen. Valve does take this on a case by case basis so some experiences could be different.
This message indicates that a gift sent to your account has been revoked. The most common reasons this will occur are:
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Banning them all also hurts the legit ones. Admins be on your toes and ban just the exploited ones. Just remove the exploited ones from the database. If you ban them all you still cant make sure donators wont still be giving them away for other games.
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After thinking it through, it'll be better to have an option to mark giveaways as steam gifts or CD-Keys, as well as making it mandatory about describing how the member got the gift copy/copies in the first place. Maybe a report function for those that break the rules might work too.
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Personally I say ban CD-key giveaways. As an alternative we as a site could suggest that steam comes up with some way to redeem a CD key as a gift Key through their store. I doubt it'd be that hard, just mark the key as having been turned into a gift and create a gift copy of the game yeah? Trick would be actually getting them to do something so mundane.
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I think CD Key Give aways should be seperate from true Steam gifts since there is more risk involved.
and/Or have them have to be approved / validated some way.
Ultimately getting Steam on-board to back/validate cd key give aways would be great.
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That would obviously be the best way, but I don't think steam allows any way of gifting a CD key unless its purchased through steam. Think about it, It won't help them out really unless the key was bought through them anyway. Plus, then they have to deal with liability issues of shady keys.
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I want to say ban them. Most every CD key giveaway looks pretty shady. And ban humble bundles too. Those are basically free anyway and If people pay attention to the forums they can figure out when another humble bundle goes on sale.
However at the same time a lot of these are legit giveaways. What If Ubisoft has another 100% discount? We would miss out on alot of good deals. The only safe route for this site would be to ban them I think. It is called steam gifts and not CD key giveaways. Although, maybe we are all getting worked up over nothing? No one has posted any issues yet, maybe we should just wait a little while and see how this plays out.
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My thought it that CD-key and Gift giveaways should be labeled on the giveaway page so the entrants know what they're getting. The same issue with CD-keys can pretty much be applied to gifts. AFAIK, recipients' accounts can be banned just as easily for receiving a fraudulent gift as with a CD-key. But with that, what would be the point of GIVING AWAY fraudulent keys? It's not as if the giver is gaining anything monetary from this site. They can do this via ebay, craiglist, or a slew of underground cd-key selling/trading sites.
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Exactly, anyone paying for a gift, then later on charging back the money from paypal/not paying off their credit card bill will get the receivers steam account disabled. There really is no more risk using a cd-key than there is trusting a complete stranger to actually pay for the gift they send you. Infact, I'd trust a cd-key I was given over a game I was gifted trough steam by a random person any day.
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Steam gifts leave a digital trail back to the purchaser. As the recipient you will lose the gift.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5854-QWLN-2621
You do face the possibility of having your account suspended, but with keys you have both possible suspension or the account being seized by the keyholder.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5406-WFZC-5519
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I'm part of a community that as a collective has send thousands of gifts over the past year (less than this website but there are significantly less gifters too), and we have only had problems with pricks sending steam gifts with stolen credit cards, never ever with cd-keys. Some of the accounts were suspended for a long time, and it was very hard to get them back.
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I mean hundreds of gifts of course :P
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CD Keys can be cheaper in some cases and they can be abused easily, so they should be totally banned. Also the humble bundle stuff are not that reliable I guess. Someone can say they are gifting Frozenbyte Bundle but give a key instead.
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The frozenbyte bundle and the humble frozenbyte bundle are not the same thing.
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Guys, just a cd-key/proof of purchase of the cd-key is not enough proof for steam to just hand over the steam account to someone else. There's also IP adress, verified steam accounts and the new steamguard protection system that will all ensure that no one will get their hands on your steam account trough a cd-key.
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They do not take your account. They give the game to the actual buyer I think..
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I believe this is what you're looking for
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5854-QWLN-2621
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What I am talking about is show a proof of purchase to steam support, claiming that the account of the person you gifted the cd-key to actually is YOURS. This does not work as easy as some people make it seem to be however.
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Definitely I think we deserved to be at least told about that it's CD keys, because it's not fair with the winners who get their account stolen don't know what hit them.
If it were possible, it should all be banned.
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Limiting the gifts on steamgifts to steam gifts seems more than logical.
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Just make it have a 'This is a CDKEY' flag so ppl know when they enter the giveaways, they know the risk?
(PS, no risk with RUSE ;D)
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maybe "force" the person to give as much information as possible about the key? (example: they have to fill out where they got the key from or else they can't post the giveaway and leaving it empty results in it getting removed?) as in, where he/she got it from, like someone else in the comments already suggested. i think this would give better insight, even though you probably can never be on the safe side with this and just have to trust in the person giving away the key.
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There has been a lot of unease about receiving keys, shady giveaways, etc. So, in order to better serve you, we would like to get your opinion on the banning of CD key giveaways.
Get rid of them altogether?
Get rid of all but humble bundles?
I JUST REALIZED DARK MESSIAH MULTIPLAYER IS A KEY
I SAY BAN THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl
Thoughts?
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