My condolences from Turkey.We are also faced with the same situation .We understand you very well .
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I am legitimately starting to lose faith in humanity with all this happening. Wars over religion, racism running rampant, terrorist attacks, and every other messed up thing that's happening is just so terrible. The world is just one big shit show right now and I hate that most of us can't do anything about it. Why is peace such a difficult concept??
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Roughly 70% of French people had two native French parents. Stop spreading bullshit to promote your reactionary agenda.
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Sure. Be native is not so hard. Your perents could be born 20 years ago and you have native perents... Hard is to have family tree larger than at least three generation.
Edit: It matters because of tradition and education. You can be French but not respect and honor their tradition and values. You can be French but hate them, hate their god, their way of life, the traditions etc.
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So? Why does the nationality, birthplace, or ethnicity of the individuals with whom French people marry and have children matter?
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It's terrible, innocent people massacred.
The world should unite against terrorism, wipe them out completely!
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Muslims aren't all evil people like those retards that kill innocents.
Most of them are nice, modest people.
But the Islam is evil. It's an outdated religion promoting the rape and murder of "infidels" and the suppression of women in the name of a god.
One might as well worship the devil.
Now some people might say that those extremists just interprete the Quran differently, but I have read a translation of the arabic writings over the course of the last year and much to my shock it pretty much tells its reader to kill all nonbelievers over and over again.
Quran (2:191) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out."
We can be lucky that most muslims didn't read the Quran (or don't take it too literally) and don't kill anyone. It's like the old testament of the bible, but over a thousand years late to the party, stuck on an early medieval level.
I've been raised as a very tolerant person, but allow me to say this: fuck islam, fuck all religion.
We don't need this makebelieve bullshit anymore, we need to start facing our problems and stop placing them in the hands of magical, invisible fairies....
-_-
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DAMN RIGHT. Holy shit, how can we be still bound by morons that believe in some stupid, random, old books just because their parents told them so?!
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A quick google search gave me this:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/08/12/quran-2191-and-kill-them-wherever-you-find-them-explained/
And this is not the only site explaining it the same way, there are many of them.
So if you copy paste just that part and interpret it without the context, it is about killing innocents. If you look at the context of passage it is about Muslims being allowed to fight in self-defense.
Anyway, I agree best religion is no religion, one less thing to separate and manipulate people...
That said, I see so many offensive and stupid comments here or on reddit. People are so full of hate and eager to start killing all Muslims (which is about 1.6 billion people). It'd be better to think before calling for genocide I guess...
I am so sorry for the victims and their families. It is not easy to feel safe anymore even in Europe. Something must be done about these Daesh terrorists before they kill even more people.
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I'm sorry but you made huge mistake for not disclosing the full ayah (http://quran.com/2:191).
My friend, in my reading through numerous forums, there's many like you who like to pick certain ayat to prejudge Islam itself. Quran does not work that way, you need to read the entire context and have a deep understanding to extract the true meanings.
Here's what I found a decent explanation about that context of ayah: https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/08/12/quran-2191-and-kill-them-wherever-you-find-them-explained/ ("And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there"
Islam itself is good. The people of Islam - some good some bad. Just like Christian (there's good Christian, extremist Christian and so on)
All regions teach good, people itself who make mistake because we are human.
ISIS itself not follow part of Islam at all and even they kill Muslims themselves (http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261156/isis-kills-more-muslims-non-muslims-raymond-ibrahim) ("ISIL does not speak for Islam. They are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death... Moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are Muslim"). Don't blame the entire nation because some people from the nation kill other people. Don't blame the entire religion if some kill bla bla bla.
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I'm Christians in Big Islamic country.
Some people hate us, most people still have logic.
I believe it is same in Europe
Some people hate Islamic immigrant, most people still have logic
When some Christians do some big crime here, SOME people always say to kill us all. and that make us feel afraid
I guess its same with them, when some person do the crime, please don't say to kill all the islamic immigrant
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I say we kill the gods, and yeah, that includes Allah. We're supposed to be civilized, people, stop believing in fairytales, for fuck's sake.
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You just said you were a Christian. What is it then? Are you a religious moron, or an atheist?
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well, its not like in euro, in here everyone must have religion to live. no religion mean no job, no school, no id card, basically you are not exist. and people see person with no religion like people in euro see person with..., idk sex disease. i choose christians cause this religion has the most loose rule in my opinion
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Yes, let's defend fairytales that state we should kill gays and disregard manmade laws as long as our favorite god is happie.
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If those fairytales are behind acts like the one in Nice then yes, they must be condemned and their followers persecuted. We must ban also other man-made fairytales, though, like those pesky XIX and XX century ideologies. Such great harm has come to humanity from those old books, disproven by history but still peddled around by "educated" people. What do you say?
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"If those fairytales are behind acts like the one in Nice then yes, they must be condemned and their followers persecuted."
It does seem like Orlando didn't matter to you, right? And no, it was not done because of sexual insecurity. He didn't shout out "SEXUAL INSECURITY" but "ALLAHU ACKBAR."
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You can't read your own statement? That's a case where religion, a fairytale we've been talking about, has been behind a violent act. Therefore, as you said, "they must be condemned and their followers persecuted."
Oh, an by the way, the guy behind the Nice attack was a muslim. Shocking, I know.
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As I said in my edited previous post, if you want to go against allahu ackbars you have my full support. I think that the stance of governments all over the globe towards them has been too meek, because everyone was busy virtue signalling how good liberals they are without looking the reality in the face.
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If I was up to me, I would make it so religious people can't influence or take part in their countries' decisions. And, in time, would de-institute all religions.
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Hello, i'm in France right now and for the moment there is no proof that it is a terrorist attack (i mean Daesh or islamic or religious extremism).
For the moment the only information police give is that it's a criminal act without any link to religion or something linked to religious fanatism.
But i don't say that it's not a tragedy. It's a barbaric criminal event. I have friends who live on Nice and we were all frightened by that.
Sorry for my bad english and thanks for all your messages and support !
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All religions are equally retarded, but yeah, you're right, I'm sure it was an act made by BUDDISTS.
Right?
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I didn't said that. What happend this night on Nice was only because a men seems to want to commit suicide making many murder. It's like a mentaly disturbed person for me. I know religious fanatism actually make many dramatic things, but this time it's not. It's criminal, but not motivated by something religious...
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It was an Islamic attack. Yeah, it was caused by religion.
Like 93% of problems humanity has had to dealt with since the fucking fall of Rome and the loss of the notion of religion as mere guidelines explained through fucking fairytales.
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Did you read what i wrote ??
I'm french and living in France. I heard all the news from the police and government. It is NOT a islamic or any other religion. The man was depressed because of his divorce, has made stealing and stealing with gun some years before. So read before talk.
I don't care about religion, and i'm angry against people like Daesh or EI, but here it's not.
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Oh so you think buddists are the peaceful people on earth ? Sorry to announce you that you're an ignorant. Check this :
Muslims victims of some buddists fanatics.
So stop accusing islam, or any other religion. The problem is not the religion, but the people who don't use their brain and who are full of hate... like you.
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Religions should be exterminated, just used Buddists as a random group, I don't give a crap about whether or not they are pacifists, just saying that Islam does have the biggest killstreak at the moment.
And again, fuck all religions. And yeah, I'm full of hatred towards retards whose lives are dictates by stupid, random, old books.
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Did I say something that wasn't true?
Oh, I forgot, religions have some higher power that makes them impune from being discussed, even if they are just fucking ideologies. Oh, and they have provided the world with so many recipes for peace... like discrimination, killing, oppressive laws which no justification behind "my god says so lol."
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Hier op TV1 zijn er 84 doden en nog een aantal zwaar gewonden gemeld.
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Funny thing is, it ain't because Islam is not a race but rather a religion. Still people tend to say it. But yeah, the perpetrator was a Muslim.. again.
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Yeah.
Puts on the sarcasm mask.
And, oh my, really? He was a muslim? Oh no. That was soooooooooooooooooooo unexpected... I totally thought it was an hunduist, man. Incredible. What a world. Oh gosh, I gotta tweet this.
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Hey people, there's some mainstream media brainwashed moron here who thinks Palestine is populated by peaceful angels!
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Hey people, there's some mainstream media brainwashed moron here who thinks Israeli government is made by peaceful angels!
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The Israeli government has NOTIFIED Palestinian cities about air bombings before doing them, to minimize civilian casualties.
Now tell me, what other fucking country does that?
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OF COURSE. They warm you before bombing the shit out of you! How kind! Like those terrorist children that were playing on the beach! Dangerous terrorist they were!
Does the Israel government also notify about the poison they spray on the terrorist antisemitic palestinian crop?
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Maybe we made some mistakes but its hard not to when you are surrounded by enemys that want to delete you from your own country..
belive me life is importent to israel citizens not like the terrorists so we are sorry and ashamed for every Innocent man/woman/child/baby that get hit by the crossfire
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You can' t just pretend to have peace with the people you are bullying while you are accupying theyr country.
That being said, hamas is a terrorist organization acting the same way as the israel government toward palestine civilians
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Well, Family Guy was right about religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLnDy9Mjbnc
no religion = more advanced and cultured humanity :p
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Still, it seems like nobody has got the balls to denounce Islam the same way we treat Christianity.
What's the deal with that, PC social justice warriors?
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Have I said the opposite? All religions should disappear and all gods should be "killed." And people do not understand it, do not understand that Islam should be treated in the same way.
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My prayers go out to the many victims and their families of this cowardly Islamic terror attack, perpetrated by a Tunisian daesh terrorist according to the news on Belgian national television TV1.
Mi Shebeirach - Debbie Friedman - Healing prayer for those that are hurt and in pain.
14 July is the National Day in France; Bastille Day.
The use of cars/trucks as a terror weapon in this very way we have already seen in Israel perpetrated by the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists.
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Wait some seconds, somebody will say "that wasn't Islamic, Islam is peaceful, just like other religions."
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If the news here (TV1) reports/says that it's an Islamic terror attack then I write Islamic terror attack, If they would have said for example a right wing terror attack then I would have written a right wing terror attack.
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I'm just saying that people will say that. That's why I wrote quotes there.
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While I'm, like you, a full time atheist, I have to disagree with the sarcasm. The pigs from daesh can cowardly murder hundreds of random civilians and be proud of it, they can commit suicide to avoir jail and call that "martyr", they can do anything they want, it doesn't make them speak for all muslims. In fact, if we look to numbers, the biggest category in daesh victim is... muslim people.
By the way, as a french man, I'm very shocked by what happened yesterday (and last year). But this is not a reason to point my finger to muslims: the vast majority of them don't support those murderers who claim having the right of life and death upon people as if they were god. If I'd do that, I would simply be doing what daesh wants. And that will never happen, never.
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I do not give a shit if the ones most affected by Daesh turn out to be green kittens; they, and the fucking religion they practise should be dealt with.
Humanity, if it is to end, will be either because of how religions have been stopping scientific research or in a direct degradation of global structures caused by wars about religion.
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"B-b-but religions are good, and Islam is the goodest! Don't be a racist!"
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christians, jews, hindus, buddists... dont hunt you down with AK-47s to convert you to their religion
Do you know what's happening in Burma ? I don't think so, because Media don't talk about it :
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Refugees are irrelevant. In both Paris and Nice attacks all terrorists were French and Belgian. Maybe you should rethink this "brainwash" thing for a while...
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I repeat, all terrorists to date are French and Belgian, all terrorist attacks would still have taken place even if there was no refugee crisis in Europe. Blaming refugees or muslims blindly only reproduces the vicious circle of violence and helps radicalize people living in the margins of society, like a self-fulfiling prophecy...
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Oh god, seriously, do you think that all these poor people that live in shelters and public institutions managed within a year or so to "convert our muslims to their violent version of islam"? and how did they do it when they barely see any people other than social workers?
Secondly, France didn't have this amount of attacks before a lot of things. Based on facts there's no causality between refugee crisis and terrorism or there's as much causality as with many other things that have happened since the last years. Should we blame the whole history before 2015 because there was less attacks back then?
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Among the people arrested for Cologne attack there was not a single refugee. Sorry, but I find it pointless to continue this discussion.
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I live in Belgium and stating that the terrorists are French and Belgian from North African origin is a more correct way to describe those that you're talking about and that way is also how they are described in the media here. A cat is a cat, a door is a door so let's just use the correct words for what is what is.
Also you forgot to mention that some of those terrorists in France and in Belgium are known to have gone and returned from Syria aka foreign fighters with the knowledge gathered in Syria for handling explosives, weapons and learned terror tactics.
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When Lukaku scores for Belgium, we don't say that a "Belgian from North African origin" scored. He is simply a Belgian. In western societies a large part of people have a different origin, this is a constant thing in the way nations are constructed. Same goes for Middle East countries or for countries in America as well of course.
Secondly, I don't see how the fact they went to Syria changes the fact that they were born, raised and educated in France or Belgium.
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Try not to go there, LostSoul... :(
In a fairly recent filmed jihadist beheading that took place (i believe it was less than a year ago), at least one of the jihadists in the footage was portuguese.
Not portuguese of african descent, not of muslim ethnicity, a portuguese just like me and most people i know, catholic born and raised.
One that instead of choosing to become an agnostic atheist like me, or remaining catholic like some friends/family, etc., etc., simply chose to adhere to a corrupted and perverted version of Islam. Emphasis on corrupted and perverted, yes.
And this is but one of many, many, many examples.
What about Anders Breivik? Should the norwegians throw themselves out of their own country, because well... you know... he was norwegian born and bred? Or just the christian ones, since he was christian? :/
What about the Nazi ideology?
How many germans and non-germans joined that particular bandwagon? Did we persecute every last one of any nation that joined Hitler?
Heck, according to our own history, Portugal itself did nothing against it. Even moreso, our dictator opened our borders to the nazis and helped them to some extent, albeit not as much as Italy or Japan, for instance. Should we have been nuked like Hiroshima and Nagasaki were? Should Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been nuked to begin with, in a devastating outcome that took the lives of countless civilian men, women and children? Did the ends justify the means, just because they weren't our children?
Where do we draw the line?
Also, as i said earlier in this thread:
One would think that people could at the very least consider the simple fact that the world population is roughly 7 billion today and the estimated number of muslims is roughly 1.5 billions. As much as i like to think every terrorist attack is one incident too many, one would think that if they were all terrorists we'd be having A LOT more terrorist attacks.
I get that this hits you closer to home, but do not think for a second that just because this hasn't hit Portugal yet we're not terrified as well (which is sadly just a matter of time till it does hit us directly, in my honest opinion, unless ISIS happens to lose most, if not all of its traction before it comes to that).
And had it hit as close to home as possible, i'd be much angrier at all the misdirection, believe me.
I've said it before, if the western leaders were really that adamant on fighting terror, first order of business should be hitting them in the funding, i.e., making off-shore banking illegal, period. I'm well aware this isn't the cause nor would it solve everything to hit it, but it's a damn powerful catalyst. Not to mention you'd be hitting two birds with one stone, since it's also the way 99% of criminal organizations manage to fly under the radar.
But that's the thing, isn't it? They want to continue to misdirect, leaving us all in panic while they're livin' it large. They don't give a flying f$ck, it's that simple.
Tell me something... when was the last time an actual leader or someone of an actual position of power in the west was hit? It's always us... the masses, the little people, the base of the pyramid, the bottom of the food chain. Only way they're ever gonna care is if it ever hits them.
Seriously, don't take this the wrong way, but at least try not to give in to hatred so easily.
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This is not hatred this is stating just facts in the very same way and manner that our national and regional TV, radio and written media is describing the terrorists from the earlier terror attacks in France and Belgium.
If they would have been from another origin I would have written that specific origin in the same manner but the facts are what the facts are.
We can have lengthy discussions but in the end not writing and saying the plain facts because it's more political correct not to do so is just very wrong and dishonest to the people that want to know the facts as they are and not a cleaned up version because of various reasons.
Btw I was called recently here on SG: "the lowest form of life on all of SG", and that are the very same words the nazis used.
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I'm well aware of the origin of the attacker and that you merely stated facts in the post above and sure, you can still say the same for the post further below, where you also merely state facts about certain statistics.
But come on, you really want to go there? Are we both gonna pretend to be naive and are you seriously gonna tell me that the context in which you posted both wasn't meant to imply a direct correlation between the refugee influx and the rise in terrorist attacks?
Because i'm asking you directly then (as if need be), do you seriously think there is a direct correlation?
Well, because if you do think so, then, well, not gonna re-write what i did above. :(
Especially about terrorist funding. Do not think for a second there aren't literally thousands of stand-up non-muslim citizens scattered across the globe funding terror, simply because to them, it's just another cash cow.
And before you answer, consider that is also widely considered more politically correct to imply than to directly state.
I however, heavily disagree. Well, i do and i don't, may be more politically correct, but i don't care much for politically correct, contrasts too often with plain and simple correct for my liking.
As for the last bit you wrote now, again i must insist... sadly, there are stupid people everywhere.
Do not take the words of a stupid individual (or individuals if there was more than one, it's not like they're above riding in packs) and try to apply his/their perverted rationalization of things to any group of individuals. That kind of adds to the points i made in my previous post, not the opposite. :(
Also, try to understand... i wasn't even in the slightest bit attacking you.
When i talk about giving in to hatred, there are many ways of doing so. You don't have to be hateful or write anything hateful, to give in to hatred. You just have to believe all the fearmongering xenophobes who would have you believe correlations that are simply not true.
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I live in Belgium it isn't a left or right wing dictator ship, it isn't North Korea or a junta controlled country. We have free elections, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom to go where we want without minders, gender equality, freedom of sexual preference and being the second country in the world that allows gay marriage and we have also freedom of press. So if our regional and national media show a chart with who is letting Syrian refugees and how many of them in and who not then I don't question that as we have free press that isn't governmentally controlled, again the facts are what they are. The three countries that I mentioned to date have amongst them let in zero Syrian refugees. The same goes for if they (our media) say that the terrorists are from North African origin then it is what it is.
I prefer our type of media to those that are government controlled and that are censored and are edited because of various reasons and are not given all the facts and twisted facts most probably to bring a good news show to say what people like to hear.
It's the same with the identity off the attacker in Nice, French and Belgian media say that it's a Frenchman of Tunisian origin. I guess you would want to leave that last bit out but I would leave it in as it's freedom of information and it's a fact.
Edited because of updated news.
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A small percentage of Muslim people sympathizes with ISIS ... that small percentage results in
possibly hundreds of Millions - therein the potential for whatnot. Polls could never grasp the full picture
regardless of the method, in addition to that real "extremist supporters" would just lie about it -
good luck figuring out the difference.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/
http://metrocosm.com/support-isis-muslim-world-perceptions-vs-reality/
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The map you use doesn't take in to account that some of the governments of the countries shown in that map do things like:
1) Give money and weapons to daesh
2) Have terrorist training camps in their own countries that instruct daesh terrorists
3) Buy oil from daesh and so fund daesh
3) Help daesh plan attacks and give them the means to do so
3) Harbor daesh terrorists
4) Let foreign fighters that want to join daesh and/or return to Europe or the other continents they come from transit freely through their countries
It should also be noted that one of the most important countries in the Islamic world Saudi Arabia doesn't let in any Syrian refugees and to date have let zero (0) Syrian refugees in, like also Qatar (0) and UAE (0) does.
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Economic purpose is just one side of the coin. There' s politic. The previous jihad led away huge territory to the bizantium empire and the church was obligated to raise it's voice. There is also religion. It is know that christians were not allowed to visit theyr religious site for prey (and to those who take part to the crusades would have be absolved from theyr sins).
Funny how things can change over the course of history
https://www.facebook.com/RTvids/videos/1250131671663750/
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Kind of sucks you made a topic about this, even on SG you get confronted with this stuff.
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It gives a good read and I thought it was newsworthy even though this is mainly a site about games, I will close it tonight then it's been up for about 24 hours.
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Emergency Plan
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