Welp, this thread has opened my eyes to how many idiots are just here for free games and don't give a shit about anything else, and likely never intend to give back. I'll probably be doing only group giveaways from now on. Congratulations, morons.
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Wanted to leave a comment on his blog, finished writing calm, constructive criticism explaining that greenlight is good, and hating on it simply because it isn't perfect is dumb (formulated more kind obviously), and not having greenlight would be even worse for indie devs.
After submitting my reply it did not pop up on the blog, prolly needs admin approval.
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Honestly, Greenlight is a bunch of BS anyhow. It's definitely a popularity contest, whioh then means that more niche genres are rarely, if ever going to end up being greenlit. On top of that, developers who have had successful releases still have to be greenlit.
Truly, I think it shouldn't limit the number of titles greenlit so much and change up the voting. Keep the yes/no, but have two no options. One is "no, it's not my sort of game" and another is "no, this game looks bad" so it's easier to see if the negatives are just because those people don't like that type of game or if it's because the game looks like crap. And the "no, this game looks bad" does count against it because those are indicators of poor quality. So pretty much the yes would vote up, "no, it's not my kind of game" is neutral, and "no, this game looks bad" would vote down. And instead of the games having to reach a certain ranking out of all titles, it just has to reach a certain threshold of votes and ratio of positive to negative votes.
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No idea how others are voting but I put 'yes' on everything that I think is promising and doesn't look hideous (or fits the platform), even if I'm pretty sure I wouldn't ever touch the game myself as it's not my kind of thing. Stuff I'm personally interested in I add to favourites.
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It asks if you would buy the game on Steam, and you get yes/no/ask me again later.
Thing is average person is going to take that literally. For example, I loathe shooters, so if I see a shooter, I'm going to vote no because I'd never buy a shooter even if it is the best game ever made. So I vote no, not interested. But the dev has no way of knowing if that's because I think the game looks like shit or because I just don't care for shooters. As it stands now, there isn't a way to give a truly negative vote to games that are indeed shit.
I also do think that doing something like dropping a comment to get a key should be something that can be reported and be grounds for the submission to be rejected. Even if the game makes it to greenlight, giving away free keys to people who didn't even pay for the game isn't going to make the dev or Steam any money. I have no issue with giving keys to people who bought the game in a bundle, on Desura, or the dev's website, because those people at least supported the dev with actual money.
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I get your point and totally agree with it, actually, I wrote three very similar posts about this game here which used the same strategy but two of them vanished with Angrenbor's reply too when the guy we were replying to deleted his comment. Long story short, I was acused of being hypocrite implying I would vote for free stuff too so I explained yet again that I did quite the opposite and reported it. And his stupid implication proves my point. But I'm sorry for Angrenbor's post, while he wasn't quite right, writing him an answer and trying to correct his view was something worth the time. In a nutshell, it was the third paragraph of your post but worded a little bit differently :). Somehow I'm still able to see Angrenbor's post in my replies.
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I dropped the comment and it broke... it was an expensive comment too. Now I'm sad I dropped it...
I agree, its easy to game the greenlight system, at least sort of. You can't make people click the like button which is what I hope is what the main thing that gets an item green lit. Problem is that there isn't really a whole lot you can do to protect the system against being gamed in that way other then warning companies not to do it or else they will be removed from the system. But its also not fool proof.
Saying stuff like click the like button or drop/make a comment and get a free key should not be allowed.
I'm ok with people giving away a game and mention the game/program thats in the greenlight system with a link to it. As long as they are not asking for people to click the like button or make a comment to get something free.
There has been some greenlight games that I did click like after finding a link to it from a giveaway here, but its because I think the game has potential and I would like to see it on steam. There has been other games I did not hit the like button just because it didn't look that good (to me) and I was not interested in it.
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Reading is rather important.
The, utterly useless, programm Mosaico - Tiling Window Manager has just been greenlit with use of following methode "Drop a comment and get a free steam key". That is the most stupid and lame way of getting on steam. On top of that the program is just useless as it's already possible in windows with the Win + arrows.
It gets even beter. The company behind this shovelware made a blog post with as title, "Why Steam Greenlight is a remarkably good failure". It's basically a rage post because they couldn't get Greenlit, untill they started using the Drop a comment and get a free steam key-methode
This program should be un-greenlit. It won't be long untill other programs/games will copy this methode. And thus will get even more crap on steam.
Greenlight failed, again.
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