Not to mention that most games AAA dont work for Linux, Alot of programs also dont, Etc...
When downloading something you need to check if its available for Linux, But when youre in Windows you can just download everything you want mindlessly & It will work.
Linux has alternatives & Thats exactly what they are: Alternatives, Not the real thing.
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Yep, that's the problem with Linux. For most users the alternatives are good enough but I understand that many people need the real programs. But downloading and installing software is in most Linux distros easier because they have package manager.
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This. The same reason I don't use Linux is the same reason I don't use Macs. On Linux, things that take three mouse clicks to do suddenly take half an hour. I've never really understood its appeal. It's free, but you waste more than enough time figuring out how to do basic tasks to make up for the cost...
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I was exaggerating for emphasis >.> I really just meant that it's not worth the effort to learn a whole new OS. It's the same reason I don't switch to Dvorak keyboard layout. "Oh boy, I can type 20 more WPM after a month of training!" It's just not worth the time investment, especially when it makes so many simple tasks more difficult. I just don't see where the benefit comes in aside from hipster or computer nerd cred.
I know that it can emulate Windows and do most of the same things, but if you have to spend the time and effort to emulate windows, why not just use windows in the first place?
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I understand what you mean. But when you tried Linux for a while you have many advantages (faster, safer, it's free) and some desktop environments (like KDE) are very similar to Windows. The only thing that's bad about Linux are the programs and games because many aren't available for Linux but for most programs there are alternatives that can almost the same. But I can understand that it doesn't make sense for many people to learn something other to do the same.
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Exactly. And I was actually about to add something to my post when I noticed your reply. Just because it's not good for a primary computer, I have a 4 year old laptop that's on its last legs (It was bottom-of-the-line four years ago), and I'm sure I'd see a noticeable improvement in performance if I switched it to Linux, which I'm considering so I don't need to buy a new laptop just for word processing and internet.
It's the same thing with Macs. The Mac OS is fine for art stuff and things like that, but not for games, for many of the same reasons as Linux. Linux isn't great for gaming, but I'm sure it has plenty of other pros that I just don't need.
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You WILL care when you find out any games rated adult will not be available in Windows 8 ..
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They will, they just won't be available on the Windows 8 store. Although apparently (in the UK at least) they even changed their minds about that.
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Oh well, it'll surely be a year or two, but considering M$ is not even willing to provide support for their OS's for longer than a year, I see Windows on a decline soon enough and Gaben is ready to deliver, as we see.
Now dem Apple tards just need to allow OpenGL4 and devs like John Carmack will get more upwind in their efforts to provide alternative engines to DirectX-based ones.
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It's "Extended Support" til 2014, not Mainstream (or 'regular user'/free) Support.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/psssql/archive/2010/02/17/mainstream-vs-extended-support-and-sql-server-2005-sp4-can-someone-explain-all-of-this.aspx
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I still will switch over cause Windows can give problems
Because Linux is perfect and never has any problems, especially less than two minutes after a brand new install.
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I doubt it they will port every game on Linux, but i might use my Laptop for Windows and my new computer (when i buy it :D) for linux ( or the other way around, i don't know yet ). Also i will never switch to Windows 8 (for me it looks like ****). I will do what i did when Vista released, i used XP while waiting for Windows 7. If Linux manages to become a good gaming platform and games start being ported over to it, i will gladly switch over to it.
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I might upgrade to Windows 8 after a year/ a few months... I dont really like the new look, And ofcourse new OSes also have their problems (Both with compatibility & Its own bugs)
But yeah, MS has a history of releasing a good OS & Then fucking up the next, Windows was good, 95 was bad, 98 was good, ME was horrible, XP was good, Vista was horrible, 7 was good, 8 will probably be bad :P
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Nobody uses an 8 year old Linux distro.
So why use an 8 year old Windows?
People complained to NO end about Vista. I used it from the public Release Candidate til 7 came out and had no issues that were the fault of Microsoft.
I also used Windows XP from launch til Vista's RC, and clearly people who complained about Vista and praised XP weren't around before XP got it's first Service Pack.
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•Battlefield 3 - unplayable on Linux
•Borderlands 2 - no PhysX support on Linux
Linux also does not have DirectX, SLI support, and other technologies
It will never become gaming platform. Because the system developers are not interested in this
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Linux keeps me from switching to Linux.
Before I get labeled a "windowz fanboi" or Linux hater, I'd like to say that my dislike isn't for any lack of trying. I've tried out a few distros (K/Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian mainly) a few times each, and none work even remotely well enough to consider switching over for even basic use.
I'm not afraid of the commandline (I grew up on DOS and in fact, I use it frequently in Windows) and I genuinely like the idea of and behind the Linux project. I genuinely WANT to like Linux, but I haven't been able to find a way for it to work.
The fact that I had to fight with Linux to get my keyboard and mouse to work at the same time (and when it DOES work, I can only choose ONE device to customize because it sees my Bluetooth dongle as ONE device only) is only the first hurdle in terms of usability.
Fonts always seem to be a nightmare. One distro (I think Fedora) had different sizes for the titlebar text for different windows, and changing the size altered each window's title proportionally. In every player I've tried, the font is super blocky and is either super tiny or way too big by changing the size by 1.
Media players are lacking. Aside from the subtitle issue above, I haven't found a decent video player besides XBMC. I don't like to be bugged to download a new package each time I try to play a different music format. And I've not found a Linux media player that supports playing CUE sheets.
I'd like to say that I'm done trying out Ubuntu after some of the reported issues of the One Hundred Paper Cuts 'event' were flat out ignored and even removed (deleted without reason, not rejected), but it seems like Ubuntu is the way to go, and I know I'll eventually be using Linux again. I'm a sucker for punishment I guess.
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Because it's a good keyboard (MX5000) that has the multimedia keys in the way I like them and doesn't have a derpsmall spacebar.
Why should Linux's limitations make me go out and buy new hardware? Windows has supported all it's features natively as far back as XP, I believe.
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One Hundred Paper Cuts I haven't used Linux myself but found this. My guess is they deleted the forum post and created this so they would have a more manageable way to deal with them than the forum post but that is only a guess.
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I mentioned that, and why it actually made me hate Ubuntu, in my post. The Ubuntu team went through and was deleting top ranked suggestions/fixes that they didn't deem 'ideal'.
One of them was the Vertical or Horizontal (forget which one already exists) icon alignment. You can line up your icons fine in one direction, but the other one 'snaps' per-pixel and is kind of silly.
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well i dont rally know what games are and what arent supported on linux sooo i wont be switching to be sure i can play everything
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As soon as Steam comes out for Linux, im leaving this Winblowz and getting the penguin <3
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I will use Linux for gaming when at least some of the non-indie games (from Valve) from my library are ported to to Linux (many indie games from my library are already ported from Humble Bundle) but I think it will take 5-10 years or will never happen until big publishers will port their games to Linux (there are more Mac users than Linux users but there are still almost no games from big publishers for it). And the big hardware companies don't care much about Linux. BTW I had for the last 5 years never more problems with linux than with Windows.
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Well i'm already on Linux, i'm dual booting so i can switch to windows when i want to play some games. So im hoping having steam on Linux will minimize my need to boot to windows.
I do realize that only small percent of games will be ported... but small steps people, small steps.
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Most of them I guess.
I don't know what I will do yet because I only have Linux installed on my laptop (on dual boot with Windows) and I don't play much on it, if at all. I think I will probably just install Steam on Linux to have access to the chat and everything, but I will probably not play a lot.
I mostly play on my desktop computer with only Windows installed on it anyway, and I see no reason to install Linux on this one. That would be a bit silly, especially considering that I don't have a lot of disk space.
I will probably reconsider all that the day I buy a new laptop/desktop though, because things might have evolved significantly by then.
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Drivers is what will keep me switching to Linux. The day I can just download and double click the latest Catalyst to install it and get my network printer to work I'll think more seriously about Linux. For games I'd say that I'd have to check CrossOver first. They just gave a free copy. I have no clue how well it works. Wine wasn't that good when I tried it (but I think a large part of that was driver issues).
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What distro have you used? On Ubuntu you can install graphics driver from the Software Manager and I also got no problems with configuring my network printer (it works almost the same like with Windows). And Wine or CrossOver (which is based on Wine) never work as good as the program would run native under Linux.
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Last time I serious tried Linux was a couple of years ago. It may be worth trying it again, based on what you say about the drivers. Obviously Wine will never work as well as a native Linux game, but if it works well enough (i.e., trouble free) on Linux that's good enough. I'd love to see more games on Linux, I'm all for more choice, which is why I try Linux occasionally and why I argue for Linux versions on Kickstarter projects.
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Just try Linux again, maybe some things has changed. You get right after you install it a notification from the driver manager and it shows you the driver and you can install it with one click. There are also many indie games that support Linux (look at the Humble Bundle or at Desura)
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Thanks.
I might try Linux one day again, but since I don't have much time to play with my PC and much of what I do is toy with Unity 3D, I think that it's better that I stick to Windows for now.
I'm aware of the games which are available, and I have quite a few of them from Humble Bundles, but I really prefer to not limit myself to such a subset of games. Hopefully Steam on Linux will help bring more games to it. Also I have enough Kickstarter games which promise Linux support that I imagine I'll have things to play if I move to Linux.
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Linux will never be good enough to change my choice of using Windows, I'd rather actually be able to buy a game knowing it'll run on my OS.
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I suggest you move to it sooner than later, otherwise you'll be stuck with Win8 or a similar future abomination.
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I really don't think any developer will start making Linux ports, unless they already were making them in the past. Only reason why Valve is doing them is their fight with MS and Win8. Other publishers already have deals with MS, so they just don't care.
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Epic Games made a Linux port of Unreal engine some years ago, that doesn't mean they fought against Microsoft I guess. Valve is developing a Linux port of Source as well. I think Valve cares about Linux as Valve itself and a few of companies who use the Source engine are interested to develop Windows-Mac-Linux multi-platform games.
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If you didn't notice, Gabe said that "Windows 8 sucks", and "suddenly" Valve spend all their time working on Linux. Beside Valve only one big company said that - Blizzard (another PC company). So, I'm pretty sure other developers/publishers doesn't really care, they already have their deals with MS, and MS tries to change PC into another console is just great for them.
This really isn't about cross-platform gaming. Question is whether it's about PC Freedom, or is it about those 30% MS wants from everything that is being sold through MS Store, and their demand that mobile apps be a part of MS Store - which for example might mean Steam would also have to be part of it, which means 30% of Valve's cut would go to MS.
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Gabe only said Win 8 sucks because the Microsoft Store is a competition for Steam (especially since Steam sells software). If Valve releases a Steam app that costs nothing Valve can still sell the games trough Steam and MS would get nothing but AFAIK it isn't possible to launch normal programs from an app (that means you couldn't start games from the app). Steam doesn't have to use the Microsoft Store, they can use the normal desktop client. And most publishers just don't release Linux games because almost no one uses Linux.
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Well, MS said something that mobile version of Win8 will require all products to be part MS-Store, along with their in-software-transactions (in a same way Valve require games on Steam to have DLC to be in Steam-Store, not only in-game-store). And since Steam-Mobile app allows buying, MS might require Steam-Mobile to be part of MS-Store, which could mean whole Steam might be treated as MS-Store-App, with 30% cut for MS - which in no way satisfy Gabe.
In the end, either Valve will move to Linux and other publishers won't (most probable), or other publishers will start making Linux ports - which means even later release dates and even more crappy ports, since those "few hundreds $" they spend on PC-port now will have to be split into Win and Linux ports...
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Why should this happen just because there will be an mobile app? Did the release of the app for iOS (where I think there is the same rule) or Android changed anything? A mobile app won't change anything for publishers. The worst thing that could happen is that all prices will be 30% higher for the mobile app but nobody forces anyone to use an app if you can use the web store that can the same. The only extra the app has are community features (chat, etc.) everything else of the app is the same.
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I think you don't understand me ;) Do you mean that Valve should release the app for Windows Phone and if they won't do that they for Windows 8? I think you confuse Windows 8 with Windows RT. Winodws 8 is for PC and you can do evrything like in Win 7, Windows RT is for tablets and can only run apps.
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Valve already have Steam Mobile. And it is linked to Steam, you can buy games for main account and download them for your PC, without being near it. And MS might use that as argument that Steam and Steam Mobile are same thing, ergo Valve would have to pay MS their cut, even for PC, or even Mac purchases.
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Valve ALREADY have an app. If their customers (read: we all) would move to Windows 8, they (read: we) would probably like to be able to use Steam Mobile on their (our) mobile devices, which would use also use MS OS due to whole integration Win8 brings.
And because of that, Valve would have to release Steam through MS Store. And because of that, Valve would have to pay MS their cut. Which would be bad for Valve, because either they will get less money, or they would make bigger prices, which would end with us not buying games through Steam...
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Do you mean that everyone who has Windows 8 has to use the Steam app (from MS Store) when they can use the normal client or that everyone who uses Windows 8 has to use the app on their tablets and smartphones (with Windows)? Users could still use the website to buy games (and Valve could remove that feature from the app) but who said that Steam has to give MS money for each purchase? That would be the same like when MS would take a cut off everything that was bought trough an Amazon or eBay app.
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MS wrote that everything that will be on Win-Store MUST pay MS some money. If Steam-Mobile would appear on Win-Store (because that's the only way it can appear on tablets and other devices with that mobile-windows-8), then MS would say "where is our money". And because Steam-Mobile and Steam are linked, then MS might say "where's our money from every purchases, since Steam is on MS-Store".
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Why are Steam and Steam mobile linked? Do you really think MS would say that? Valve could also just remove the option to buy games and only let the app for the Steam Community and people can still buy over the website. But what has all this to do with Windows 8 and Linux?
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Brot, removing features from apps is not a good thing to do no matter what. If you haven't noticed, the Windows 8 ad does show a mobile phone, tablet and PC. And Microsoft will definitely try to take a share from Valve for letting them use Windows 8.
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Steam and Steam mobile are linked - you use Steam Mobile to talk to your Steam Friends, you use Steam Mobile to buy games for your Steam Account, you can use Steam Mobile to download games on your PC when you're not by PC (for example: you're on crapper and decided you want to play something).
I know if I would be able to somehow get at least around 10% from each sold game for nothing (Valve cut is around 30% from each game, MS would take their 30% from that, so it would be around 10% from whole game price) I would get biggest lawyers and would sue Valve as much as I can. And if I would want that free money (really, MS do nothing but create Win8, and Valve must pay MS for being able to allow their software there), you really think MS - who takes money for allowing people play multiplayer on Xbox Live - wouldn't do it, especially since they have money and lawyers?
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Can't reply to the last for some reason but I just don't think they get it. Windows 8 will still have the same Steam client as we have now available on the desktop part of the OS. Meaning absolutely no change on pc's.
Yes if they made/have an app for "Metro" (the new "start" menu or whatever) Valve would remove a buy function if MS tried to take a cut because they would lose profit. Hell even on tablets or phones they could easily have a button in the app that took you to a browser to buy games instead of doing it through the app.
No possible way windows 8 will lead to Microsoft into getting a cut Valve's profits or even a price hike on games. Thinking so is completely ridiculous.
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@Crazze47
That's exactly what I wanted to say but I really don't think they get it that you can still use the normal Steam client on the PC (and tablets that run Win 8 and not Win RT).
Another Question are there any Amazon, eBay or other store apps for Windows Phone? Then these would also have to give MS money from their sells.
Edit: Found an Amazon app and a PayPal app.
@the other two
Do you really think that the Amazon and the PayPal app have to give Money to MS?
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after Steam Linux release?
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