Handling Bundle Keys

I think it would be a good idea to have some indicator on the giveaway creation page that says what games are in bundles and grey them out when the bundles are out. Even post bundle release, if there was a message that said, "Did you know that this game was once in a bundle?" as a yes/no question, regardless of the answer a second question "Is this gift from a bundle?" as another yes/no question. If its a no, all is well. If yes, then there could be a message saying that individual bundle keys are not permitted in giveaways.

In general, i think there should be a question in the giveaway process asking whether the gift is from a key.

just my 2 cents.

Bundles: automatic transfer bundle games into other section, because people that don't speak English will probably put their gifts into wrong section.
Other idea (not so serious but...): Like huge "READ THIS BEFORE YOU CLICK ANYTHING" banner on center of main page with link to FAQ with obligatory "I read all of that" button. Next time if someone will do something wrong some warnings/bans can be applied.

Who is it hurting if they give away the games separately?
If anything, blame the sites for selling the bundles so cheaply.

Let raffler open thier gift inventory & they make raffle from it will be counted towards points for steam gift users, all other will be treated as keys & no points for them. I know its would be realy strict & lots of cd keys out there from amazon etc but there has to be a line drawn somewhere, it would be till steam gifts in users inv. This should be valid only till points, not the $$, contributor giveaway never made sense anyway.

I'm sorry but, am I the only one who doesn't get what the problem is in allowing the keys? It's not like this issue is raised at all with games on sale...

"But the points!"

The points are a way to make sure people don't simply enter EVERY giveaway. They pick the giveaways that they prefer, so people have more of a chance, instead of, say, every game having just about everyone enter. This would still happen... It's a percentage thing - You get to enter roughly (decimal adjustments aside) 10% of the total non-promotional store value of the games submitted. This means that you can either enter, for example, 6 small games, or 1 big one. This isn't changed. There will just be more games around... This seems ok?

"But it's exploitable!"

If you have money to spam 1-3-5 buck keys (there are no steam keys bellow 1 buck anymore, that I know of... they average 3 to 5 bucks) you have money to buy whatever game you want to begin with... And you don't even need to enter a raffle for it!

If you're REALLY concerned about it, just add a system that limits how many keys a person can gift from a certain game if they're in a bundle. Maybe like, 2 a month? There, at most you exploit 2 whole bundles!

I still don't get it, given that this same restriction isn't included in any other sales... With the much expected Steam Summer Sale around the corner, is steamgifts going to ban basically every game? Plenty of them will be bellow 75% value....most of them bellow 50%.

Feel free to explain whatever I've missed.

Cheers.

There's a lot of bundles that weren't added to the database of giveaways, like every Indie Royale bundle after The Really Big Bundle, every Humble Bundle after HIB4 and every Groupees bundle. There may be some users who are aware of the rule, but if they want to give the bundle away, it isn't on the list, so they just create separate giveaways for the games. There probably aren't many cases like this, but I'm sure it happens once in a while.

Personally IMO, in order to not deter people from contributing money but also not flooding the site with humble bundle exploits I suggest this:

-Humble Bundles cost the same amount as they do for points. Their cost will remain unchanged for people to enter. (IE: Gala costs 5P)

-Points received for such bundles will be a maximum of 1P for the community, regardless of how much it is worth. It shall not exceed it.

-Feedback will be the same as points received. The games will only be worth a maximum of $1.

This decreases the inflation of points (since the cost > gain) and still allows people who paid for the giveaway to still gain some feedback, even if small.

Also, if its an individual key. Say, from the newest Bundle for Amnesia. Have the option for a checkbox to say "Bundle Key" so that it again, won't inflate feedback or points, but still allow people to enter. (At full cost too.)
Any caught abusing the individual key could easily find themselves banned.

Whatever else happens, the rule about bundle keys should be stated at the top of the "Create Giveaway" page. Not everyone who gifts these keys is trying to trick the system -- it's very counter-intuitive that there are some games that you aren't allowed to gift, and many people will be surprised to learn this. I fell foul of this today, having created a giveaway before reading the rules thoroughly, and I felt bad about it. There should definitely be some indication on the Create Giveaway page in order to stop people making what amount to honest mistakes.

i´ve also seen people who got steam keys from retail versions in physical stores(or bought the key somewhere like amazon)and give them away ... what if this game gets later into a bundle? it has no longer the value it had when this person bought it?
And if you allow for this cases.. how will you know when someone gives away a key, if he is telling the truth or not?
in my opinion, i would leave things as they are, because it might be worse the cure than the disease

I am one of those people who bought a bundle recently but I only wanted 1 game from it so I figured I would be nice and put the others on here. The first time I gifted them they got removed. Since I had never gifted here before (I didn't read the FAQ first) I didn't know what the problem was so I submitted a ticket asking where they went. I got no response. Then I figured maybe it was a glitch so I posted 2 of them to see what would happen. The first one went to completion and so I was ready to give the game key to the winner. Then I went back only to see that SG had removed the game again. I finally read the FAQ and saw that I was not supposed to give keys from bundles. Needless to say it made my first experience as a contributor a bad one and made me feel like I did something wrong when all I was doing was trying to be nice. Whats the problem with giving good keys away here anyway ? It didn't matter to me if I got 1 point for giving the game away. Also, I like the idea of a check box to say it's from a bundle. I would have used it.

Hmmm special bundle tab would be nice yup. Other solution is to block in progress bundle games I think. So that when they end and someone miss chance to buy it he could win it here. I don't see it as bad think as I did miss plenty of bundles myslef and still try to get for example terraria :) So I'm happy as it is.

I like to buy bundles, that being said I like to randomly give gifts of kindness to others.

I want to still be able to do this like I would a give away of any Steam inventory game.
I think keys from dodgy sites should not be allowed, however keys from legit sites and bundles should be allowed. I don't care if it costs me 1-5 tickets to enter into a bundle give away, just like I don't mind posting it in the forums. But gzuz its way easier to add it as a give away than mission with forum give away's.

I would hate it if I missed a bundle and wasn't allowed to at least try win it here.
Guess what I am saying is, feedback and tickets etc don't matter to me. I don't care which suggestion is used in the future, so long as I can still post bundle keys and have an opportunity to win them.

Also please don't force me to only give away full bundles, what if I only want to give away single keys or certain games? Am I not as awesome for doing this?

I want to know why it matters so much how much the game cost? why must it be shown under the game being given away.

I don't need to know how much money someone spent on games to give away (even when a sale price isn't reflected anyway)and the fact that I have steam, I already can see how much the game cost.

Rather just say how many games someone gave away and the names of them.
As for tickets, people choose their own price, whether or not it reflects the actual price paid, it's up to whoever is making the giveaway. As someone mentioned previously, a game is a game, and people on steam gifts should want to give and stand a chance to get without just worrying about feedback and the price of games etc.

What a person paid for it doesn't need to be made known to everyone, specially if it's intended purpose is to be a gift! Why must this be made so complex? Let people give away whatever game they please, to whoever they want, at whatever ticket price they choose. (whether it's the full bundle or only some of it). It's been working fine so far.

Hahahaha, 75% of giveaways are straight from bundles.

ban all the games from bundles (and bundles themselves) from s. gifts... if people have extra keys, they can give them away elsewhere.

if any game that is ever bundled is forever valued at 0, then:

• Those who want to giveaway a bundled key for pure generosity, and because they received a duplicate one or two in a bundle they bought for themselves, can use the site without having to go to chats and random.org them
• Those who flood the site, just to increase their gifted value (allready doing it before, because it looked cool and could open doors for some closed groups or now to give access to contributor giveaways) would have no reason to do it anymore.

I would have a "The Ship" given away from a Holyday Season Giveaway devalued as well as the copies waiting in my inventory just now... But honestly wouldn't mind a bit if those or any others were retro-actively valued at 0

I stand my ground (but even a little easier then my previous proposition)

• A second tickbox for all the bundle games, where you can giveaway these games for very low points (or none, I just wanna giveaway some spare keys). These games are excluded from the first, normal tickbox. (Even regular giveaways for these games, you have to use the second tickbox). You can give them a "Bundle" stamp so they will be easy to filter (like now: group/contributor/...).

• Restore them after 6 months or so, then most of the bundle keys will be given away.

• The only "not fair" thing I see, is for people who have bought f.e. a gift game (like Gemini Rue), they will receive less points for it when in a bundle (or you just wait 6 months offc).

One thing I wanted to say but keep forgetting.

We should have a "Rule" on the bar along with Forum and Support instead of only having it as a stucky in the Forum.
Maybe even have it open the 1st time someone joins Steamgifts.

That way we could limit a bit those who don't read it. Sure many will not care even if they are there t obe seen, but there should be those who don't know where to read them properly.

i'm too lazy to read all suggestions by now, but i would be glad, if you could implement my old-old suggestion:
in my opinion it would be better, if giveaways of the same thing were united into one giveaway.
i.e. if someone creates a giveaway of something, that is already being given away on steamgifts, that second giveaway does not generate any points.
also, if you have entered a giveaway of a thing, you are obviously interested in that thing, so you automatically enter all the giveaways of that same thing (if you have enough contribution points, a part of a group or have visited a page of a private giveaway.)
That really changes a lot and should be revised first, but it solves a problem of point influx, whenever a bundle, big sale or anything else happens, bringing tons of the same giveaways.
Once, there is no giveaways of that sort of thing, any entries are forgotten, so if someone creates a new giveaway of the same thing after a couple of months since the last giveaway of that thing ended, you do have to spend points to enter it. Also it generates points, because, there is no other active giveaway of that thing.

If you want people to actually visit the giveaway page and comment it or if you want "ninja" giveaways to be low on entries, as before, the entrance may be semi automatic, i.e. it just costs you nothing to enter a HIB5 giveaway, if you have already entered another active HIB5 giveaway.
That will make people love long giveaways finally, as if they only enter short ones, they won't get new points, but will have to pay for all the short giveaways of the same thing to enter. also it makes common games to be easier to win, which is good in my opinion. I hate spending all my points on a single common game winning nothing (something like Dota 2 for example), instead of trying to win here and there.

I could never understand, why entering a giveaway of 10 copies costs less, then entering 10 giveaways of same thing. also a giveaway of 10 copies has a greater chance of wining, than 10 copies of the same thing. my suggestion removes that illogical thing

Just a suggestion but we could make a seperate website for key giveaways. "SteamKeys" Is it possible for this site, since you sign into it from Steam, to look at a users inv? If so this might work.

Is it possible to just add a button when creating a giveaway that says something like "Is this a bundle key?" and have it reduce contribution value to half. I realize this would require people to be on the honor system.

Most of these solutions are inadequate. Individual bundle keys cannot be allowed because they put the future of this site and the bundles in jeopardy. Giving away individual bundle keys is a violation of their terms of service, and it opens up legal issues. It is a bad idea to allow them at all, unless the poster can give evidence that it is not a bundle key. It should be strictly and vigilantly enforced.

I cannot be bothered to read through the whole thread (sorry), but here be my thoughts for anyone who might care.

Put any and all current or future rules, concerning as to which games can be the subject of a giveaway, right to the top of the creation page.

Keep the rule disallowing giveaways of bundles or individual games from bundles while the bundle sale is in progress (perhaps go as far as disable those games completely). Don't know the reason for that, but fair enough. I guess we'd rather promote traffic to the bundle sale than have people wait for giveaways here.

Allow giveaways for bundles and individual game keys from said bundles immediately after sale ends, but mark down the price of those games heavily. Bring it back up to original price 2-4 weeks (or whatever time you find suitable, really) after the sale has ended. Perhaps even only mark down the amount added to the creator's contribution and keep the entry price the same. If someone buys a bundle for a cent to capitalise on it a month+ later, good for him. Can't blame a guy for planning for the future.

The general butthurtedness over someone else getting someone on sale needs to stop. So a bunch of people bought the Far Cry collection for 5 bucks when it's worth 20, kudos to them. If you start complaining about that, you'd have to stand against Steam sales in general; and we all love Steam sales. It's when someone gets 50 in credit after spending a single dollar and still has three games left over when we should get… well, he hasn't done anything wrong. But it doesn't fit the idea behind contributor giveaways.

TL;DR Keep the rules simple and easy to follow. Adjust point amounts in the backend to prevent people leeching their way into contributor giveaways. Promote buying bundles over hoping for a giveaway. Let people give away stuff if all they really want is to give away stuff.

A permanent ban for submitting keyson sg or sg forum will stop them im sure...