probably steam api fault, for commandos collection, tools do not show 'you own the game' where sg sees it as existing [which it is, in separate keys], just fyi
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1 invalid entry in the 35 mm, Duke Nukem, Knights of pen and paper, ping ping, Quadrant, Solarix, Space Codex and Zvezdoliotik cars
1 invalid entry in the Badland, Bard, Chariot and Solarix cars.
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Hey i got flagged for an unactivated win even though i already activated it, can you fix this issue please, its The incredible adventures of van helsing: final cut, thank you .
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I can't seem to find any closed giveaway for that game.
Can you link me a profile where this happens?
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There is an ongoing giveaway (can be searched from archive) for the group "Removed Games Collectors". Here is what's going on:
- I owned the game myself
- SG does not prevent me from entering even if I synced recently
- SteamDB doesn't show me as owned the game even if I synced recently
The Steam API basically doesn't detect this game, and I think it's because of the change Removed community_hub_visible – 1 made a few months ago. The game now doesn't have a community hub because of this.
If you feel like whitelisting it when seeing the giveaway end and winner confirms it, it's also fine, but I already know that the API won't detect this game at this time.
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Added to the whitelist, thanks for the detailed information :)
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hmm some... interesting developments on SG since my general prolonged absence
anyway, sgtools claim I have unactivated http://store.steampowered.com/app/39392 Freeze Tag Fun Pack #2 (March 28, 2013, 8:11pm) which is not true
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actually, a giveaway I'm trying to enter still says my account is flagged?
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Hey knsys
Is it possible for you to remove the "Tales of Zestiria" GA from this train I created?
http://www.sgtools.info/giveaways/e4ad9674-69c4-11e6-ac1d-04019cc0dc01
In retrospect it shouldn't have been added because it's level (10) was already exclusive enough. I want to allow any level 10 to enter it.
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Hi knsys. Is there any reason the Contribution Value checker page checks Sent and Won value separately?
Is it possible to have a single check that brings back both values, and perhaps even the real ratio?
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Because most of the times, you are only interested in one part (sent), so this keeps the pressure on Steamgifts at the minimum.
If you really want to know both, it's as easy as to do both queries :)
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Ok fair enough :-)
I only ever seem to check both. I can't think why someone would only want to know a user's sent value, on it's own it's doesn't indicate much, until compared with the won value. But anyway, I can indeed continue doing both checks, it's not a big problem.
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All leaked by one individual, 1 invalid entry in each.
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Infractions applied, thanks for the report :3
PS: As always if you have some insight of the leaker send me a message :)
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Here's an idea for a cool feature which would help demonstrate how fair SGTools GAs actually are:
Provide an estimate for the number of users who can access the GA. To give some examples:
- A Public Level 0 GA can be accessed by 100% of users on this site, which is almost 940,000 users, including those permanently banned.
- A Public Level 5 GA can be accessed by 0.7% of users, which is about 6400 users (those in Levels 5 to 10).
Providing similar estimates based on the rules used in the SGTool filter would be very interesting. I'm pretty sure that a Level 0 SGTools-protected GA that only filters those with unactivated wins would still be accessible to the vast majority of users on this site, the question is - how many?
Calculating an estimate based on more sophisticated rules is probably going to be difficult, though I believe my new default rule is accessible to a much larger population than even a Level 1 GA. For the record, this rule is:
((level==0 && num_won<=10) || (level>=1 && (real_sent_group+real_sent_region_restricted)/real_sent_cv <=0.9 && ratio_real >= 0.1)) && pass_activated_rule && !VAC_economy_banWhich to those who read this an are not familiar with custom rules, means that users who can enter should be:
Level 0 with up to 10 wins
or
Level 1 or higher who won up to 10 times more than they gave, and whose value of exclusive GAs (group or region restricted) is not higher than 90% of the total value of their GAs.
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Mass calculating how many people qualify for a custom rule is directly impossible without trying one by one, since rcustom rules have to be compiled and checked one by one.
Mass calculating standard filters is possible but it's time consuming too, so it's not something I want to put on the giveaway page to recalculate every time the giveaway is opened or the giveaway creator opens it. It's not as easy as to do a quick db check with only 1 parameter as Steamgifts does (level).
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Makes sense. How about adding a few related numbers to the STATS section in the OP, based on one-time calculation rather than for every GA? For example, the percentage of users with unactivated wins would be most interesting, especially if it was tracked over time. I believe it dropped since SGTools-protected GAs started and people couldn't access many of them and had to activate their wins.
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That is easily doable, problem is I tend to forget to update stats :3
Not passing "everything activated" rule: 1.713 (9,37%)
Not passing "multiple wins" rule: 874 (4,78%)
Not passing neither of them: 315 (1,7%)
Not passing one or the other: 2.272 (12,42%)
Total population: 18.286
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This is very interesting, thanks for posting.
Does the total population number include only users who try to access SGTools filters or also those who were checked by GA creators for winning regular GAs?
Any numbers for VAC and trade bans? According to this site 1.57% of Steam accounts checked are currently banned, but I couldn't find any numbers for trade bans.
My hunch is that a GA that targets rule breakers of all kinds (including trade bans) can still be accessed by more users (if they bother to visit the forum) than one for Level 2+, which is currently accessible to 39,943 of 940,007 users (4.2%), according to numbers on this page.
Based on these numbers:
Users who can enter a Level 2 public GA: 4.2%
Users who can enter a Level 0 forum GA that requires all wins to be activated: 90.6%
Users who can enter a Level 0 forum GA with both rules (OR relation): 87.6%
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It's only people logged in though the steam open api. Most likely people who tried to enter a giveaway or was curious enough to take the time to do the log in.
Accounts with a Vac ban: 158 (0,86%)
Accounts with an Economy ban: 6 (3 banned, 3 probation) (0,03%)
Accounts with both Vac related bans: 1 (0,005%)
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I'm planning an experiment related to these numbers (vs. regular GAs of the same game). Stay tuned ;-)
I'm really happy to see the tiny number of people with trade bans. I really don't want scammers winning my giveaways (even more so than regifters), so it's good to know that blocking them doesn't really impact the number of people who can access my GAs.
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I don't know how many people (if any) don't know how to enter an SGTools-protected giveaway, but since this is the main type of giveaway that I create these days, I created a page for it. It's linked from this thread. Please let me know if you see any inaccuracies.
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Hey Yirg,
according to Steam db: https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/
There are 4,693,156 VAC and 395,130 game bans in the database.
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Thanks. Personally I'm not interested in these kind of bans because of the issue of false positives. I'm only interested to block people with trade ban (i.e. scammers), so it's good to know they represent such a tiny minority.
BTW, I also decided to stop checking for multiple wins as part of my filters (I'll still check the winners manually for it and decide on a case by case basis). The reason is that developer giveaways and poor documentation make it an easy trap to fall into, and difficult to get out of. Limiting it by time doesn't really solve the issue, so I'd rather disable auto pilot for this one.
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Reporting a leaked train.
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Hello, I started getting errors when trying to pass SGT requirements. It says my account has been flagged for unactivated wins or my profile is private. Neither is true, please feel free to check yourself manually. I could enter these giveaways only 2 days ago and nothing changed in these 2 days with the exception of me creating an invite only Steam group. That can't possibly be the reason.
Could there be a bug or could you please explain why something that worked 2 days ago suddenly stopped working even though nothing different happened in that period of time? Does having a "friends only" chatbox on my profile void this requirement? Even if it did it's been like that for months and I could still enter giveaways before.
I'd really be happy to get any kind of explanation from you. I don't appreciate being seen as a rulebreaker.
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Hey, did you try to do a sync on the SGTools site? It's on the upper left side under the HOME dropdown menu, Synchronize.
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Wow that magically worked thank you so much :) I still don't know what the problem was before though. I guess I need to sync on SGT website from time to time? Thanks a lot for the help again :) Problem is solved, now it's about not letting it happen again.
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You're so welcome and I think Knsys, the creator of SGTools, is on vacations but he could answer the why this happened to you. I use SGTools a lot and only once did the same thing happen to me and I used the manual sychronize button only once as the sync is done automatic.
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Ah that's great to know. I'll still sync from time to time as a security measure :P I didn't even know SGT had a sync button honestly. I thought it was linked to the sync button on SG :)
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Well you only have to manually sync when something like this happens. Usually the cause is that the automatic sync happens at the same time when Steam is temporarily having issues, so SGTools couldn't verify the activated wins. Manual sync fixes it right up, unless Steam is having some bigger issues and is still down.
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I tried Synchronize but still get the same error.
It says: "Steam API has problems identifying some owned DLCs, so the following ones are probably activated!"
What can i do?
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It's not a bug, it's a feature!
It's a common issue with the way DLC entries are stored in Steam's database, the API cannot properly report them as owned.
Hence, knsys decided to implement a "whitelist" for bugged products, adding the line that says they're probably activated.
And that's why they're coloured orange instead of red.
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Like Mike 90 said, this is the "SGTools WL feature" because of Steam bugged games and DLC so there's nothing wrong on your side and you should be able to enter any SGTools giveaway as long as you meet the SGTools requirements.
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I asked this in another thread and they pointed out me to here :]
Just to clear this up. In sgtools when i check multiple wins i have rule break in 2014 and 2015 for double DLC's so will i never be eligible for any sgtools giveaways? Or do they "expire" after some time or anything like that?
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Yeah i can enter that but for example this another one i tried had this result "Your account is flagged having multiple wins (or something like that)"
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You can't pass this check because of multiple wins, not unactivated wins. My bad for misreading your first post above.
In any case you can try to get those cleared, but it's not easy.
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Yeah, sorry my bad about the description. And thanks for the pointers! I will try my luck :]
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May I suggest that after creating an SGTools giveaway the giveaway page will open instead of the Manage Giveaways page? The benefits would be:
- No need to search the just created giveaway in a long list of giveaways
- One less click
Thanks!
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Sure, remember me about this on the end of September!
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Thanks, I'll definitely remind you! :-)
BTW, here's an example for how the new stats can be useful:
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As requested, here's the end-of-September reminder :-)
Thanks again!
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Thank you so much for the updated SGTools stats Knsys! :3
I updated these stats in my reff train. ^^
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You are fast, even without a direct notification!
Now I added adblocking stats too, they are quite interesting and they confirm us that SG user is not an average internet user :)
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I've just booted my pc and started up SG and I saw your interesting post. :D
It looks like that because an average internet user would probably not know about adblockers or care for them. :-)
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it's bothapparently...
It showing up as a standalone game means he should be able check for it on Steam library.
It's not showing up as DLC at least to me. DLC
Maybe it changes to DLC in the library? I can't see it listed in any library as a game.
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Added to the whitelist, thanks for the report.
They did a mess where it's identified as a Game but it's a dlc, usual valve fuckup.
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reporting invalid entry in GA:
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reporting invalid entry in GAs:
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same user in all of them
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Infractions applied, thanks for the report!
PS: Sorry for the delay, I was on vacations :)
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One misuse of giveaway feedback, I will send the details to you. :X
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I keep getting flagged for inactivated wins, but I have none. ;_;
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Probably because Steam was down before. Otherwise try syncing http://www.sgtools.info/sync
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Another idea: An option to use SGTools to deliver keys for ungiftable games (ones which were given for free in the past).
This can be implemented similarly to an SGTools GA, but instead of getting a link to an invite-only GA one would get a key for a game. This should be limited to one user, the first that meets the criteria and tries to reveal the key
Advantages over the current key drop threads:
+ The Steam identity of the person who got the key is known
+ Ability to define a filters, so that only contributors will be able to get the key (or people who didn't break the rules)
+ Protected against bots and scripts
+ No need for dozens of users to try to activate the key, as it will be marked as used after it's revealed to one user
Disadvantages:
- Blacklisted users will still be able to get keys (unliked with SGTools GAs, where they can pass the filter but not access the GA itself)
- Slightly more work for the owner of key than just posting it in a key drop thread.
- More work for KnSYS :-D
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It's on the todo list since the first time someone (maybe you in the past?) suggested it.
There are some problems with that, the first and most important is how to know that steamgifts doesn't allow the game to be given? I don't want to let anyone create a keydrop that could be legitimately created as steamgifts giveaway.
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I think there are two main reasons why people would still use regular GAs when possible:
- They typically want a larger number of entries. Targeting one user (e.g. a friend) is normally done by sending them the key directly.
- Most people want the CV and want to level up.
To avoid confusion you can add a note that tells people that this key drop is the same as key drop in forums and does not count as a giveaway in any way.
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Since there are 25 pages here and absolutely zero mention on the HOW in the starting post: if I find someone who was using a leaked link for a giveaway, how the heck can I report them to the SGT admin(s)? Because I just found a couple of dear users living a little East of me who happily bypassed the checks.
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I need some help, i have won this on steamgifts: Cultures: Northland + 8th Wonder of the World
Activated and now says i have not activated game: Cultures - Northland
Help :(
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The SGTools equivalent of restarting your machine when things don't work is to click Home (from the top left menu), then Synchronize. It's not guaranteed to help (neither does a restart), but it's a good starting point if you have issues.
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I have checked my steam library and i'm missing one of the 2 games,.Cultures - Northland, how is this possible? Maybe was a wrong key?
Thanks for the help btw, already did sync and stays the same.
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The GA creator may have selected the wrong game when he/she created the GA. You may want to check with them. If that is the case, then they can either give you a key for the missing game, or delete the giveaway (to which you'll need to agree). In principle if there's a mismatch between the game given away and what the actual key provides you should contact the giveaway creator, and if they fail to resolve the issue you should mark as Not Received.
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Alright, i will wait for the creator to reply to my message and see how he wants to solve this issue.
Thanks again for your help :)
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what did activate? you can check your licenses here
you may want to let them know that too, dont have to reply to me, its more info you should provide to the GA creator though ;)
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SteamGifts Tools is a tool in a form of a website that lets you do some interesting checks to steamgifts mechanics:
Link www.sgtools.info
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