Yes?
Brilliant usage of psychology and FOMO to drive sales and capture subscribers for as long as possible, even if they're not interested in the monthly titles.
I see this as a motivating decision that will eventually make some people stop buying too many new games and start playing those they already have. Just keep in mind that games constantly become cheaper or even free.
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Well I've been meaning to cancel my subscription after months of pausing. They just made my decision easier.
And wow considering the ratio of likes to dislikes on that Youtube video, looks like Humble is on its way down.
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Ah, now I understand. Humble choice, the ability to choose whether or not you're subbed.
nep
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i don't understand how come the premium+ subscription cost 8 more dollars and give 1 less game than the classic :/ and the basic cost more than the classic and only offers 3 games, wtf is this ?
edit: after some digging here and there and reading through the comments i actually think this will be a good deal for current subscribers but on a condition will explain in a moment, and for new subscribers it will depend on the games in the monthly.
the real question now is will they change the pause policy ? i mean the premium subscriber will get to see all the games in the bundle day1 and can share the list classic subscribers and they in return can decide wether to stay for the month or pause, i think they will change the pause option to be either before the early reveal or you won't be able to pause after that or will be charged day1 which will suck for people like me
other thing that's worrying me is the price for the regular non monthly bundles, we already started seeing them contain less games and have higher tier 3 and starting bta price, with the premium+ monthly now giving 9 games for 19.99 i think we will be seeing less and less 10-12$ regular bundles with more than 5-6 games in them
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well, i'm currently paused due to not having enough credit yet to pay for the current month and won't get my paycheck until october 29 , so will i get automatically resubbed for the next month when i pay on october 29 or will i be converted to this new bs if i miss the auto-charge deadline which is october 25 ? i always pay for the monthly either the day i recieve my paycheck or the day after that (between 29-30) and this new system is very poorly explained and it really worries me :/
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if you just paused and didnt cancel you will stay with classic. but if you canceled and didnt resubscribe you will get the new bullshit.
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i'm paused lol, if i get some kind of late month bonus i may sub for 3 months in advance on the 29th-30 and see what the humble monthly will be like in the near future
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i think they will change the pause option to be either before the early reveal or you won't be able to pause after that
The whole point of the the change is that there will be no more 'early reveal'. All 10 games will be known at the start of the month.
Those on the BASIC plan get to choose 3 of those 10; those on the PREMIUM plan get to choose 9 of those; and those grand-fathered in on the CLASSIC plan get all 10 (no choice).
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The point is to to try and prevent the inevitable massive wave of cancellation from current subscribers by giving them perceived advantages compared to the most expensive and supposedly "best" plan in the new model.
The fact you can still pause but you can't get the classic plan back if you cancel your subscription is pretty clear on that.
They made a poll months ago on the new model and considering the response here and on reddit, I'm pretty sure it didn't go as they wanted. So they are trying to keep us from canceling while they implement the new model.
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ah ok, so the auto-charge date will be the same day as the monthly reveal which will be the first friday of every month if things stay the same
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When IGN bought HB, many members predicted the quality of the Monthly would go down. If I look at what 2019 has brought so far, I would say it hasn't. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the new system brings.
And I don't want to be the devil's advocate but maybe the publishers HB has deals with now think their games are being too undervalued with the Monthly system.
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lets see, maybe they will deliver better games for the money^^ at least i hope so
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Almost twice the price for less games? What's not to love? /s
Only good thing is the Lite version, if someone really want the discount and trove, then that's a good deal, I guess.
I also love (/s again) that they're basically holding subscribers hostage with the Classic plan. You unsub (maybe even pause) and they shaft you hard where you have to pay 66% more and get one game less.
Good job, Humble /s
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Considering the trove and the tiny discount on a store that is by far the least interesting in terms of deals of all the Steam resellers, it's really not worth the price either.
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I might have been a bit too optimistic. For the Lite discount of 10% to pay off you need to buy stuff for more than $49.99, which I pretty much never do.
I will still maintain that it's a somewhat good deal if you want the trove access, which I personally never used during my purchases of the monthly and don't see me using in the foreseeable future, but that's just me.
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Ouch that's steep!
I mean... paying for a discount and a bunch of DRM free games is already bad enough but there's a minimum amount too? For 10%? wow.
The trove has good games but honestly, at this price? Nah. Or maybe if people are really interested in them... buy it one month and loot the trove. They are downloads so I really don't see the point of making that a recurring subscription. Especially not at the rate they add stuff in it
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It's not a minimum amount. What Loket refers to - I think - is that you get your 5$ monthly pay "back" whenever you buy in excess of 50$ and make use of your 10% discount.
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Im willing to try it for few months, worst case i just cancel and ignore it since Basic and Premium piricing is BS.
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Only one question:
Humble Choice gets to pick 3 games from 10 = 15$
Humble Classic gets all 10 from above = 12$
Why not sub and pause every month thats not worth it for you? Since all games will be revealed upfront
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They're counting on folks forgetting to pause, and there used to be glitches where the system just unpaused you again...
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This is terrible. lol.
It's almost like telling people who unsubscribe that they better not bother coming back in the future. XD
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They are scared s***less of a massive wave of cancellation so that's what they are trying to prevent by giving us the "sweetheart" deal.
Since it's not gonna work and I don't see how people who are not already subscribed are going to be willing to pay more for the same games just because they're not a mystery anymore (a theory pretty much disproved by Fanatical)... I predict the Humble Choice will not live past 2019. If Humble does.
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While I admit I haven't read the FAQ, isn't there a kinda loophole for Humble in this new setup? We get to pick the games, you do not even get all the games at the (new) Premium plan, since Classic getting 10 games there should at least be 10 games to pick from.
Throwback to the free key giveaways, granted that they're free and are probably exhausted by a lot of bots; the free keys run out.
If you're subscribed to get something they are obligated to give it to you. But if you're able to pick something it requires a choice, and sometimes there's more demand than supply.
I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see particularly interesting or good value games run out, and they can just fill it with bullshit. They only need to get enough keys for the Classic subscribers if it's indeed just 10 games per month.
Let's say that any given month they have 8 mediocre games, 1 AAA game, and 1 asset flip. You buy the premium plan late, thus you get 9 games. You pick the 8 mediocre games and then try to get the AAA game, but it's out of stock. You cannot say "I don't want the asset flip, I want the AAA game" and expect them to produce more keys for it. You will have to go with the asset flip or be content with your 8 games. Or, if using the same example, they run out of both AAA keys and asset flip keys, you can be sure that they'll only honor the cheaper asset flip for you to get your advertised 9 games.
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legally, maybe, but practically - no, they can't.
How many times does a subscriber/buyer need to get burned with not getting the AAA game before they give up ever buying there again? If they're marketing it as all 10 games are available, then all 10 must be available.
If they do want to pull that shit off, they should at least do it like Fanatical's star deals "950 copies of 1000 already taken"
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I highly doubt we'll see any really good games the first few months, and that on its own will turn people away, but we'll see.
I do agree with you points, but the cynic in me is pretty sure that's not how it'll turn out.
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There's nothing wrong with being cynical, but it helps to think practically too.
That kind of bait & switch drives consumers away, and if that's Humble Bundle's new model, the company won't survive a year.
I work on the assumption that everyone acts out of self-interest, and that people are far less clever than they think they are. But I think both people and companies that have a certain track record tend to continue with such track record, meaning that if a company has made a lot of radical changes that turned out for the best, I give them the benefit for the doubt, and if a company doesn't have a history of screwing their customers, I don't think they're suddenly going to start screwing over their customers.
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Also, based on that price, they better offer several (older) AAA games every month
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You cannot say "I don't want the asset flip, I want the AAA game" and expect them to produce more keys for it.
Why not? It's how it works now. There has been a case of running out of keys in a monthly. You still have the game in your account, but can't get a key until they get more.
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Like I said, it's different when you buy a package, as the monthly, since they are then obligated to give you the package. If you buy 9/10, the Premium, and they can provide 9/10 but not the 1/10 that you want, they've still fulfilled their obligation.
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That doesn't make much sense. If I go to a shop and they tell me that for 5$ I can get 3 out of these 5 games, after I pay they can't tell me "well, no, you can't actually pick up this one". That'd be a scam.
Being subscription based (so it'll charge you before you pick up the games) it can't work like Fanatical "Pick-and-Mix" bundles, where some games may run out of keys but you know that before paying.
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Sounds like a subscription model with a rotating array of games playable each month.
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I like the addition of a lower tier "pick 3" option, as I'm usually only interested in a few of the games and trade the rest away.
And I understand the price would have to increase anyway I could add something cynical about the quality of games, but IMO most monthlies were good value for money / had sufficient quality
HOWEVER, a full bundle going from $12 to $20 is tough to swallow, but I could understand it. Having the "pick 3" option be more than the current price? What the fuck!!!!
Nobody would make much of a fuss if the price of a bundle went from $12 to $14. Nobody would bat an eyelash if the "pick 3" was introduced at, say, 2/3rd of the price, or $8. But a 66% price increase for the full bundle, and even the cheap option costing more?
Their first bundle better start with Witcher 3 GOTY, Total War Three Kingdoms, and Monster Hunter World, or something like that.
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Their first bundle better start with Witcher 3 GOTY, Total War Three Kingdoms, and Monster Hunter World, or something like that.
I'll take Sanguo in a hearbeat tho.
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me too. Then I'd need to figure out how to afford a new computer to run it properly
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Their first bundle better start with Witcher 3 GOTY, Total War Three Kingdoms, and Monster Hunter World, or something like that.
That wouldn't be a good bundle for me. lol
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I'm paid up through August 2020 so no impact to me for a while.
We've gotten so spoiled over the past few years. Everything is bundled, we don't buy anything unless it's at a historical low price, IGN has "killed" Humble because they only give us $165 worth of games for $12 every month, instead of $200+ worth of games like it used to be...
But guess what?
$20 for 9 non-shovelware games every month is still a great deal.
It's always surprising to see how emotional people get about things like this. At the end of the day, it's a company making a business decision about how to sell video games.
If you think it's a good deal, stick with it. That's what I'm doing, at least until August 2020.
If you think it's a bad deal... just walk away. That's your right as a consumer. Pick the best deal. If that's not Humble, go somewhere else for your games. EA has a subscription deal, Microsoft has a subscription deal, Ubisoft has a subscription deal... there are tons of options.
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- $20 for 9 non-shovelware games every month is still a great deal.
Agreed. Though it really depends on the quality of games.
I think the $14 deal is probably better, as it's incredibly rare for every game in a bundle to be your taste.
$5 for games along the lines of Arkham, Shadow of Mordor, Fallout 4, or Dishonored is still a really good deal that people jump on, and if there are 3 games of that quality every month, they'll do fine. Having a few "indie" games that are highly desirable will also do fine. remember "you can't please all the people all the time" - it's easier to please some of the people with AAA, and some of the people with indie
But getting 10 games that are highly desirable, so people will keep forking over $20 instead of $14? that might be a stretch
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It really depends on the games. Non shovelware is just as assumption at this point.
I predict a lot of older games everyone has already (making the choice way less interesting), a lot of Humble Originals, Early unfinished games, and multiplayers nobody is playing. So basically, just like most of Humble's bundles lately.
As for AAA, they're not really required to have them anymore and they'd probably be the kind with tons of DLC to make you buy them off Humble later.
I'm not bitter. I have been pausing for months so unless there's a massive surprise in terms of choice, I'll be cancelling entirely. And yes you're right, there are other choices (although they are dwindling tbh) but I regret IGN's decision to buy something that was working and then proceed to change it so much that it's most likely going to fail miserably.
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I think it's a fairly educated assumption that they won't try to charge a higher pricepoint for far lower quality games. That model would sink hard if there are no noteworthy or tempting titles. Even if we're cynical and suggest they would only add one or two actually decent games and use the rest of garbage 'filler' to make up the rest, that wouldn't be enough to float the new pricepoint unless the few resonate with an individual, or there are intentions to resell the chaff.
I get why you have doubts given the patterns we see in storefronts, but so far all the doomsayers about Humble have been proven wrong throughout the years. At worst you can say they put up boring bundles / non-game bundles more often, but the number of games that devs/publishers are willing to allow be bundled is finite, and Humble have been at this for a long time.
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I think it's a fairly educated assumption that they won't try to charge a higher pricepoint for far lower quality games.
But there are more games now and quality is relative. There are lots of early access games that look good but never get finished. Lots of multiplayer games nobody is playing that developers will be happy to give for almost nothing to Humble if that means they get more players. Lots of great games that are 4 years old and that everyone already has, that also have lots of DLC on same in the Humble store.
My point is a higher price doesn't mean better games. It can also just mean more games and it could also just be that they were not making enough money on the old model and so they are now selling it for more because there are more games and a choice now so it's "worth more money".
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Yeah, higher price doesn't mean better games, but just as you said that the selection being non-shovelware is an assumption, so too is assuming loss of quality. My point was that it would be profits-suicide to offer chaff games for a high pricepoint when every other bundle site offers similar for next to nothing, and Humble is far from a blind newcomer to the current market.
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My point was that it would be profits-suicide to offer chaff games for a high pricepoint when every other bundle site offers similar for next to nothing, and Humble is far from a blind newcomer to the current market.
The same probably could have been said of "mystery" bundles before Fanatical decided to make a living out of them. Sometimes they try something new and see if it works.
The problem that has been ongoing with the Humble Monthly is not the number of games, or that the games are a mystery for the buyers, it's that the games are a mystery for Humble until they know how much money people spent on the monthly. They wait to try and negotiate prices with devs and then we get whatever they can get.
I don't see the new model helping with that. And sure they would have more money since it's more expensive, so you could assume they'll have better bargaining power with the devs and publishers but since they also offer more games, they won't really have more money.
My point was just that if the idea was to improve quality, they would have announced the first games already, if only to assuage the fears of the current subscribers. Yet they haven't because they still don't know what the games will be. So basically it's just the same old song. The only difference is that new people will have to put more money in the jukebox to hear it.
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it's that the games are a mystery for Humble until they know how much money people spent on the monthly. They wait to try and negotiate prices with devs and then we get whatever they can get.
Any proof of that?
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Like do I have emails between the devs and Humble? lol
Just look at the last year of bundles. The ones with the lousiest early unlocks (especially the ones with non Steam games) have been consistently the ones with the worse reveals and the lowest overall value. They count on the unlocks to get people to buy the bundle, then they see how much money and what numbers they can count on. It's the best business model for it anyway. Anything else would be leaving way too much to chance.
Plus if it wasn't for that... why would they even wait to reveal the bundle at all? Why not reveal it all at once? What would be the point of the 3 to 4 weeks delay?
Also explains the "subscribe now for 3 months and you'll get X dollars/Kingdom/Whatever for free". They make sure they know in advance how many people they have so that they can get more negotiation weight.
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We've gotten so spoiled over the past few years. Everything is bundled, we don't buy anything unless it's at a historical low price
Not really my case. I buy every single game I want to play really bad on release.
I used to buy a lot of bundles before when they had games on my wishlist.
But I never thought "I'll wait for this game to be bundled so I can play it."
Most people do not give games their due value. I agree some even expect
$20 for 9 non-shovelware games every month is still a great deal.
Depends. Many games are non-shovelware but still not worth 20 bucks.
In reality we have to wait and see. Those 9 games might be old games or non-steam keys. That alone would make it not worth for me.
If they start giving a lot of non-steam keys I'll unsubscribe right away.
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If they start giving a lot of non-steam keys I'll unsubscribe right away.
I wouldn't be shocked if that was the case. Epic and Humble most likely. Battlenet games very likely too. Humble Originals definitely.
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I just subscribed today to get my Spyro. And pausing. Let's hope their program doesn't kick me out of Classic due to glitch or bug in programming lmao.
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Textbook phasing out the old model while trying not to anger current subscribers, heck even luring more in with current "throw 3 month of monthly mains" bundle ... even if they plaster everyone's inboxes with the changes, at some point people will want to unsubscribe for any reason imaginable. That aside pausing a bundle is most probably not the most occurring thing as unless its pre-paid and by people more engaged (as users here would be).
Personally i wouldn't enjoy having to skip a pre-paid 12 months MB for all eternity, its just stupid but so is the average gamer (yes, you got that right - just stupid). Perhaps (just stupid enough) to endorse the "2019 upcoming" changes. Wouldn't be surprised if they back-paddle if there's a bigger backlash and more importantly single monthly buyers ditching them and opting for the high seas.
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I guess I will subscribe then, that's what I do when you put a gun at my head. Maybe a coupon ?
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If I read the details right, I can get away with doing this: I'll just pay the $12 now to gamble on the first monthly select being good, then I'll unsubscribe after I get a month where I didn't get anything I wanted. Other people will likely leak an upcoming humble monthly on various threads, and from there the rest of us fellows can choose what plan we want for which games we'll want. Sure you'll pay $2 dollars more for the basic monthly select in comparison to the usual monthly bundle's $12, but you have a better gauge on what's worth buying aside from the usual 1-3 big advertised games from Monthly Bundle. If you're a usual pauser, then I wouldn't see it as too much of a loss versus if you had stuck with the $12 monthly select plan for several months.
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If it were me, I'd just pause the months I don't want and unpause every time I want 10 games for $12. But I get every month anyway, and trade\sell the extras for more that the bundle costs, so it won't affect me. The 20% store discount is a positive, so as long as the games quality stays the same I'm happy (there's no other bundle site can come close afaik)
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I would also prefer it that way, but if Humble goes along with their plan anyway, then I would rather select the route I've laid out for myself. Once I stop getting what I want, I'll pull out of being a consumer of their products. I won't go back unless something I'm interested in is leaked by other people. In my head, if I was unsubscribed after not getting what I want, it would be better for me to pay $14 dollars for the month after next month in my current situation than me paying $24 for both months on the off chance I get something I want.
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Well, at least they're getting rid of the blind buys.
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I think that if Humble doesn't totally fumble with their selection of games, people will quickly see this as a pretty good thing.
It's pretty weird that people are angry they're letting existing customers bypass the price increase, when they could have easily just forced everyone into the new model to line their own pockets.
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My 1 year subscription will end in 2 month. This is the first time I subscribed 1 year ($99 offer) before I was normal monthly subscriber.
So what happens if my 1 year sub ends?
- prolongs another year?
- changes to recurring 1 month sub?
- my subscription ends?
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- They are just Steam keys. You keep them once you redeem on Steam, as usual.
- You misunderstand. There will no longer be early reveals for any level. For the 'Classic' level you will know up-front what the 10 games are; then you can choose whether you want the whole bundle or not.
- Irrelevant - no early reveals.
- Pretty sure they have.
- Yes
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How is choosing 10 out of 10 games even a choice? It clearly says everywhere that you have to choose 10 games. Why not give there at least 15 options?
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I interpreted it that Classic != Choice.
Literally if you choose to be grand-fathered into Classic (which I'm guessing a lot of existing subscribers will do) then the only difference to how it works now, is that rather than an early reveal, you will know all games in advance. So the only choice is whether to take all games or none.
I had been hoping for, say a pool of 15 games that all levels get to choose from. But a comment from IovoI suggests that will not be the case.
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hum.
finally sub now for humble classic for the rest of my life (sort of) or most likely never even consider going for the new and improved humble choice?
that is the question.
then again gaming certainly took a back-seat for me in the last 18 months and my backlog is huge. so i really don't need new games.
maybe i'm finally growing up now?
lol jk
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On the bright side, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people buying the Humble Choice thing to snag the titles they want, but then have a remaining pick they have no use for, so would put them up here as giveaways. Even if you don't jump on this, it'll still likely provide an influx of associated giveaways, so it's not totally out of reach \:3/
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Or you could sub now and pause for the rest of your life without paying anything until a decent bundle arrives.
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All explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Ru7ORNPRc
More, here: https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly/classic
FAQ: https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036658733
To me it looks like okay, i mean, i drunkenly buy 3 years of monthly in 2018, looks like a bargain if you check the plans. (edit: alright, maybe not exactly, but they sure do want us to stay subscribed with that classic thing)
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