One has to die and you can save the other. Who will it be?

I obviously hope this never happens to anyone.

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Well look who has come to cause chaos to S Gifts Forums...

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Dr Colossus :D

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I hate questions like these because they have no context.

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honestly this question is flawed.

The only time this could possibly apply is if your a forcibly given the choice. the only way this would happen in real life would be if someone... IE. a serial killer ala- saw... set up some elaborate contraption and told you to choose.

If it were not a fabricated situation there would be little to no way of knowing that one would die while you saved the other. Therefor my answer would be both starting with the furthest away and ending with the closest for the shortest trip regardless of which (the pet or stranger) were further. And I think most people would do the same under the unknown circumstances.

absolutes rarely appear in real life...

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Like I said above, details are missing on purpose. Saying both is a cop out. I guarentee that if I had written out some elaborate scenario that a lot of the answers here would be different.

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I don't think its a cop out... I am giving my answer: I would TRY to save both because how would I know that one would die while saving the other.

sure one may die while I'm trying to save them but I will live with a clean conscience and I will have treated them both equally.

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Because the only context of the question is that one must die and you must save the other. You can't try to save both because you don't know the situation. There is no situation. All you know is that one dies and the other lives. Changing the question to suit your answer is a cop out. This isn't some question I just thought of myself, it's been done on other forums and is designed to be vague.

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alright so the question is pointless then, cool. everyone who takes any value in the answers people give are just being fooled into thinking that is how they would actually respond in real life.

(edit: didn't mean for that to come out as pissed as it sounded was just jokingly saying it)

just saying...

heh

it's almost like a unanswerable philosophical question... almost, like:
"prove to me your not a figment of my imagination" - Solipsist.

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You're just missing the point of this exercise. It's all about the answers, not the question. You're exactly right that in most cases, the answers people give is not how they would act. People can interpret anything they want from the question but can still only give one answer. One is still their beloved pet and the other is still a complete stranger they know nothing about.

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If you truly love something then it's a no brainer, because you'd choose the creature you love. Your going to feel really guilty regardless which you choose and that will likely remain on your conscious for a very long time if not forever. I'd save my cat because he trusts me and would be depending on me to save him and not saving him would be like a betrayal. My cat would almost certainly die, while the human might be able to make it out alive.

I'd likely die trying to save both, but the life of a loved one will always come first over a total stranger. In the end they are both creatures with an equal right to live, both are likely loved by someone, and lifespan doesn't make much difference either since the cat could out live the human. We live far more dangerous lives than our pets

Yeah this person might some day cure cancer, or create something amazing but at the same time he might not ever do anything useful, in fact in the future he could KILL the person that would have cured cancer or built the first warp engine. Who knows the pet I saved could be immune to cancer or some other disease and he could be the cure.

Dogs have been known to save their owners, and if it came down to a dog having this choice i'm almost certain it would choose the owner instead of some stray dog it doesn't even know.

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Anybody who even hesitates to choose an animal life over a human life needs to get shot

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Way to judge people, congratz lol. I would imagine that a lot of people would pick killing a stranger over pet. I mean if you love something, you love something. I mean people you dont know die everyday; I'm sure that many people would rather save something that they care about. Its not the same as random animal vs. human stranger.

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I'd only pick the life of a pet over a person if that person is you or anybody else who prioritizes the life of an animal over a human being.

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^lol thats what i meant by judging haha. Not really making a good case for people here not to pull the trigger for this stranger lol

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I don't see how I can make my case clearer than it already is. If you are retarded enough to choose an animal with no soul over an actual human being, you deserve to be judged and you deserve to get your ass whooped.

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oh holy shit did i read that right. with 'no soul'. oh jeez, i guess we know which loony-bin camp YOU belong to...

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You think that animals have a soul? You're a fool...

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I think you miss my point...

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Please give me your point... I want to understand how the mind of a pathetic human being like you runs.

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well for a start we don't believe in giant floating wizards in the sky... we tend to prefer reality and reason, to living in a fantasy world where people such as yourself have to rely on make-believe in order to feel less useless.

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I don't remember making up anything. You are clearly delusional, therefore your opinion is invalid.

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sup

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You think that humans have a soul? You're a fool.

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Why? I dont know where you live but where I am from everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. Where do you live? Some Banana Republic?

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I'm an American and I never said you can't voice your pathetic and non-sensible thoughts. Feel free to unleash your retarded rants on this thread.

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Really? Cuz all you've done is judge others for their opinions. You really are an ignorant person.

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I'm judging you, I never said you can't open your animal semen-filled mouth of yours. Get some thicker skin you pussy.

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Awe? You mad cuz your ignorant? Calling me a pussy over the internet, what a brave little man. Well hey, you know what they say. Ignorance is bliss ;)

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You're the one who is getting emotional because you're getting "judged" on the internet. Go to your mother you precious little flower.

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hahaha Xp omg this is so funny. I'm guessing anger isnt an emotion. Dont say your not angry because you clearly are. Lol the only emotion im having from my conversation is happiness cuz you've given me some pretty good laughs. Thank you haha. You got some serious people issues you need to resolve :b

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When have I showed any anger? I just called you a precious little flower. That doesn't sound very angry to me. You're the one that's getting laughed at. Go practice some beastiality as you think it through. It may take some time for you to process how irrational you are being due to the lack of intelligence you seem to possess.

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Dude all you're done is attempt to insult me for half an hour, that is anger.. If you think your an intelligent person than you've got another thing coming. All your responses have been totally irrational, in fact you have once to tell me why i should pick the stranger. Hell you dont even know my opinion, all i was trying to say is that people have different opinions for different reasons and you were like WTF!?!?! some one has a different opinion than me!!! FUCK YOU! Yeah your the most intelligent person on Steam Gifts, possibly on the internet. Congratulations.

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Why are you dropping F-Bombs? I don't think your mother will be very happy when she finds out her innocent 12-year-old daughter is using this sort of foul language. And you're wrong... I'm not angry if I'm calling a pussy a pussy... I'm just stating the obvious. You'll understand as you get older.

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lol. Congrats on becoming the greatest person in the world. I'm sure you're are very satisfied with you're internet genius career haha :P We're all very proud of you ;)

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You can't stop replying now, we were getting close to most replies ever to a comment on Steam Gifts record DX

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I'm sorry... I had to do something because I have something called a life. Believe it or not, not everybody stays in front of their computer 24/7 while fucking their dog...

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Yup, replying back for the 20th time. Yup nice life there.

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Please look in the mirror...

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Its late where I am, my day is over. I got time to kill lol. You on the other hand seems to be pointlessly wasting your time :b

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thank you

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i respect your opinion, but just because that random stranger could be you or some other people like you, i choose my pet

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So if somebody pulled the trigger on you to save their pet, I'm pretty sure you'd be fine with that.

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implying i will not shot both dog and owner first, then claim self-defence at court. the point is, as humans we are self centered beings that only do things thinking on ourself,like insulting other people to show that we are right, i will choose to save my pet, because is mine, and i will feel bad if it dies, im savig it for myself, and in the end thats what make us humans

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Self-defense? Saving a dog makes you human? What kind of drug are you on? You're just implying that you're a selfish piece of shit.

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Nice argument you got there. Why do you think a human life is worth more than an animal life?

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Well it really depends on the human... Some humans, such as yourself, are probably inferior to dogs.

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So in that case, would you choose me or the dog?

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I agree that choosing the stranger is the better choice, but some of the arguments supporting the stranger are downright terrible.

Don't downplay the love that one can have for a pet, people. Don't make assumptions that people who'd choose their pet do not feel love to other people. Come on.

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^this. All some people are doing are acting very ignorantly like the dude below me. I mean people are allowed to have their opinions, for their own reason.

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MY pet or a strange person? I'm not trolling or whatever when i say i would never hesitate in saving my pet. He's a member of the family and I love him.

I also don't inherently place human life above that of an animal... life is life... and to be perfectly honest, I'm far less disgusted by the actions of animals than I am in how the bulk of the human race behaves. Humans aren't any more 'worth' saving than any other animal on the planet... if anything, id say animals are our DUTY to look after, because we've put them in a position where we've claimed ownership and responsibility for them through our actions in claiming the planet as our own for sole ownership.

...but if it was an animal I didn't know, and a human I didn't know... id naturally be more rational about it and pick whichever one was closer (or easier to save).

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yes, we don't have much time to think and react

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100 hardcore animal lovers just gave their lives for someone's pet chihuahua.

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Thank God...

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My pet, no question about it.

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Definitelly my pet, the sad thing is, that she died a week ago in sixteen years. :((

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I'm sorry. :/

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Stranger. Hero. Interview. Money. New pet.

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I approve

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thats a valid point

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Myself to let them both live? I love my pets, they ARE my children, no matter what anyone else says. Especially since I may never have children. I recently lost Saydee. She was my world, there when nobody else was, slept beside me in bed, curled in my lap with me while I played on the PC or 360. She watched movies with me on the couch. She would jump up at me for me to pick her up in my arms and hold her. She was crazy about tennis balls, and would chase them all day never getting tired of you throwing them. She played chase in the yard, letting you chase after her while she kept the ball away from you. Her best friend was Magyk, the cat you see in the second picture. To this day, about six months after her death, it still hurts like crazy when I remember her and see her pictures.

That being said, I have a high regard for human life also, I am still the one that holds open doors for random strangers, letting them go first. I still help pick up stuff when it is dropped. I am one of the ones that does a good deed, then gets yelled at for it, just to do it again. I still try to respect everyone, no matter what they look like or who they are. You never know what they have been through, or who they may be.

Honestly, without being faced with the situation at hand, I could not tell you what I would do. To those that don't have pets or don't think of them as part of the family, they will never understand the true emotional attachment you get. I also have Mouse, Tigger, Silver/Gray, Magyk, Black cat with best friend Saydee, Skully, and our newest addition, Sookie.

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What if I have a pet stranger??!?!?!

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You're dumb

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Cool Story.

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To anybody who feels like they need to justify prioritizing the life of a dog over a human being. Riddle me this, would you be fine if somebody pulled the trigger on you in order to save their pet?

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You're dumb

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I see you learned the difference between your and you're. You should thank jonyaple.

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I already did lol fail.

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Did your 6th grade teacher just cover that in class today? Pay more attention in class.

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Its funny how I'm not the only one who thinks you are an idiot. That and how you have yet to say anything that proves your argument but you know that's the internet for you.

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"To anybody who feels like they need to justify prioritizing the life of a dog over a human being. Riddle me this, would you be fine if somebody pulled the trigger on you in order to save their pet?" That's all I have to say...

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You ever heard of a loaded question? Doesn't tell me why. You're just basically repeating that you think that it would be better to save the stranger, which is all you've done.

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Umm... Is there something else I should be arguing for other than the fact that you're a total moron?

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to quote someone else, showing me "how fucking dumb you are" aren't? Which you've done a just horrible job of, for the record.

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Do you speak English? You seriously make no sense...

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Yup. But seeing as you have such a low level of intelligence, I'm sorry if it's a little hard to read.

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"...due to the lack of intelligence you seem to possess." I have taught you well young Padawan.

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Even a the greatest student who could learn anything, couldn't learn a single thin% from you lol. Well this is the internet so I guess it will be the open forum for your stupidity. See ya ;) Have a great day.

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Damn that really hurt my feelings... Even the greatest student who could learn anything... couldn't learn a single 'thinq' from me... That's deep bro...

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If you are asking that if I would give my life to help an animal. Yes I would do it, I love animals that much.

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Oh thank God! My lizard is having heart problems! Quick! Send me your heart! The life of my poor lizard depends on it!

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And there I was, thinking you couldn't be more fucking stupid.

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Well if you think a human heart can save a lizard with cardiac problems you are dumber than I though

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Oh I'm sorry! I didn't know that! I should have taken Anatomy...

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Don't worry, I forgive you.

Just like someone already said, Ignorance is bliss

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You're the one who needed to explain that a human heart doesn't work on a lizard because you're too stupid to recognize obvious sarcasm... Sounds like ignorance to me

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He was just pointing out how fucking dumb you are. It wasn't needed though.

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"Well if you think a human heart can save a lizard with cardiac problems you are dumber than I though" Read it numbnuts...

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Seriously, just stop posting, every reply makes you look dumber and dumber. Obviously he was being sarcastic, and obviously you were too, but he actually replied to your question in a way you didn't expect him to, and hence you had no more choice than to say something fucking dumb, even if it was sarcasm.

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Yup

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I guess responding in a way to appear as if one cannot recognize obvious sarcasm is unexpected. I didn't expect anyone to try to make themselves sound retarded on purpose. Now get off his dick and go away. You don't even have a valid point on this thread so why are you here? At least admit you're into beastiality or something...

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As oppossed to you who made so many valid points that a book could be written.
"Hurr animals don't have souls but humans do." Compelling argument.

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Please tell me how that isn't a compelling argument... You are either a ginger or an animal if you think animals have souls...

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You are implying that people have souls.

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Umm... yes?

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You are implying that "souls" are real.

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If I'm saying that people have souls and dogs don't... Well what do you think genius?

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You are bragging you are a "smart" guy, do you have any idea of what corruption means in psychology? The animals have all the virtues of us (humans) without our defects.

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Obviously not :b But Shhhhhh.... Don't tell him, he doesn't know

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Wo there... Hold your horses. NEVER did I EVER say that I was smarter than you... That's just way too obvious to have been mentioned. How can you believe that animals have ethics and values?

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I think you are fucking dumb for thinking that souls are real.

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That's nice to know, but your opinion is still invalid. You're too dumb to have thoughts.

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I just think he has a mental disability but you know man, no body is perfect.

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I agree with you zell963. astrartea is definitely suffering from a mental disability, but you're a much worse case.

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" You're too dumb to have thoughts." You just went full retard.

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It's true though...

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The joke


Your head \o/

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Depends on the situation. If the stranger isn't sentient, I'm saving the pet. If the stranger IS sentient, but, say, is standing in the way of an oncoming train, and the only way to save him is to divert the train onto a set of tracks where the pet is standing, I'm saving whoever is smart enough to not stand in front of an oncoming train.

Otherwise, I'm probably saving the stranger.

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Save the stranger then ask him for money / gifts.

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@Major Joe: I never said smarter that me, i just say a "smart" guy.

And it's simple the lack of a moral system in the animals makes them take and fight only for what they want/need. In us (humans) a moral system also has it's dark side, the greed, envy. All those "bad feelings" that after all are feelings and thus part of the morality.

If animals lack morality they also lack of this dark or "corrupted" feelings, making them better than humans to live in peace at long terms

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You are saying that because animals are too dumb to have morals and values, that means they are better than humans? Speak for yourself. The only humans inferior to animals is you and zell.

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If you think intelligence, morals and values are the same the dumb one here is you.

Those are 3 very different things.

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When did I ever imply that they are the same. In fact, I said the exact opposite... I said that animals are too stupid to have morals and values. If you spoke English, maybe you'd understand.

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If someone or in this case something is to stupid that means that lacks intelligence.

In other words:

"Animals aren't smart enough to have morals and values"

Someone can have in different quantities this things. You for example.

You have an opinion that (of course) you are defending, thus you have intelligence.

You have a moral system based on a conservative religious cult, thus you have morals.

Yet you lack the value of tolerance.

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I think I am being extremely tolerant. I'm actually reading your opinions and thoughts no matter the irrationality of them. I'm not ignoring your posts and just posting myself. I'm actually trying to understand the little logic your points have and responding to them.

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That's laughable considering most everything you have said has been very irrational. All the arguing you have done was not arguing at all. Saying "your stupid" doesn't make your opinion any righter. Saying oh you used a v instead of an r doesn't make you always right. It just makes you look like an ass who can't even defend his opinion. A lot of us just gave up trying to show you our opinions and just started making fun of your ignorant way of thought.

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That's just to you. I can't argue my point across with you anymore. You're just too stupid to talk to. I'm beating a dead horse by arguing with you.

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That would make sense if you had actually ever validated your argument instead of criticizing others.

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Tolerance needs respect and you aren't showing any of it calling me "inferior" and ridiculizing my point of view.

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Exactly.

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zell stop agreeing to everything Mazther has to say to try to offend me... Cuz it's not working...

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I haven't been trying to offend you. I actually agree with him because that is all you have done.

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Who said that tolerance needs respect? Damn we are so off topic right now thanks to zell...

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Not like you would have actually said anything that has to do with proving your point that a strangers life is more important than someone's beloved pet.

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Now we're back on track... Are you saying that a stranger isn't beloved too? Believe it or not zell... There are actually people in this world that are loved by others. Not including you of course.

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See i would actually respect your opinion if it was more of this "Are you saying that a stranger isn't beloved too? " and not this "There are actually people in this world that are loved by others. Not including you of course." <This is mostly what you have done. I am not saying they aren't beloved but to that person who is holding the gun; I would not be surprised if they picked something that they loved over some random stranger.

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I would not be surprised either because there are so many idiots who think that way. I guarantee you, if you were the stranger and you were at the end of that barrel, you would not be able to justify that animal lives are more important than human lives.

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I know I can't; I never tried too. But when you really love something or someone, its going to be really hard to pull that trigger. Even if its just an animal. Like I said before, it's not really the same as random animal vs random human. If somebody picked the stranger, I can't say I'd blame them. Even if its me at the end of the barrel, I can't say I'd be happy but there isn't really much I can do when somebody cares so much about an animal and doesn't even know who I am.

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I'm done with this thread. I'm out of cards. Buh bye.

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Tolerance means have respect to other's points of view/ decisions/ way of being/ etc...

key word: respect

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Definition of tolerance: the act or capacity of enduring

No respect

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I think he meant this definition. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.

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Well I mean you've seen him talk. He's an idiot and he's in denial. He can call other people "dumb" all he wants; he lacks intelligence completely. You shouldn't let him read this, he gets all worked up. It's actually pretty funny. He very clearly doesn't understand that his whole basis of intelligence, on everyone who has replied to him, has been on their choice of whether they agreed with him or not. Oh well not much you can do about ignorance.

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Zell... You are the one who is getting worked about this. You are clearly disobeying your parents and not going to bed when you were supposed to around half an hour ago just so you can jump on Mazther's dick.

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Can you please go away? You keep on trying to change the subject and it's annoying. Just because you can't support your point doesn't mean you have to interrupt a debate.

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"And it's simple the lack of a moral system in the animals makes them take and fight only for what they want/need. In us (humans) a moral system also has it's dark side, the greed, envy. All those "bad feelings" that after all are feelings and thus part of the morality.

If animals lack morality they also lack of this dark or "corrupted" feelings, making them better than humans to live in peace at long terms"

You sure have an idealised and ignorant view of animals. It's weird how many people think that animals are these perfect beings who never do wrong or are greedy.

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The stranger.
What can the pet do for me in the long run?

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The pet, no questions asked.

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Is the girl hot?

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first of all is the pet dead, alive or both?

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+1 for awesome kitty!

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Hard choice as many already stated... but hell... I would save my beloved cat, instead of a complete stranger...

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The stranger, obviously.
Pets are worthless for me, in comparison to a human.
A human's company cannot be compared to that of an animal's company. Humans may be flawed, but they have intelligence. Its simultaneously our greatest gift and our greatest curse.
(And please, no more "but humans are animals too" bullshit.)

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Closed 12 years ago by Jozzz.