Hillary or Trump?
This election is a disaster. Where is Bernie Sanders?
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Probably spending the money he conned out of the young commies.
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He was the only candidate that was actually PAYING his campaign workers and volunteers!
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yeah - from the money he saved by not paying taxes and claiming bankruptcy multiple times (giggle - sorry couldn't resist - especially as he has openly admitted it)
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he is LEGAL regarding his taxes, there's a loophole in the legal system!
unlike Hillary being indited by the FBI and clearly getting away with it because she is part of the establishment
look into her donors like Soros, Saudis, Qataris. the Clinton campaign, pedophile rings, epstein island, anthony weiner, huma abedein, muslim brotherhood, globalists, central banks, controlled media and the new world order
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wow - just wow - you went full on nasty to a joke, and to a joke made using the candidates own admitted failings - thanks for that, really showed me just what a nice person you are - sigh
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and don't get me started on Hillary trying to start WW3 with Russia
or backing Obama who doubled the USA's national debt to almost $20trillion since he got into office and the consequences it has
I don't care about being nice, I care about policies.
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good for you - but please spread your vitreol somewhere else, it was unwarranted no matter how you look at it - your response mentioned nothing about policies - it was simply rude - Nice Edit To Your Original Rude Response Though (Way To Hide Your True Self There - See the little asterix next to my time stamp, that shows that I edited my text here, and yours shows you edited your text as well) - Sigh - You have a good day though :)
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Seems like you should check that multiple-personality disorder.
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If you want to be nice or get personal get off the internet.
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And you show your true colours again - guess the edit where you removed your rude reply didn't alter your feelings - seems like rudeness just follows your posts - very sad indeed - civility it appears is not your strong point - sigh :( - ROFLMAO, but thanks for the blacklist, guess pointing out that you altered your post was too much for you. Giggle :-) Have a hug, and shiny wishes :)
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Spoken like a true liberal, pointing fingers and pretending to be nice with your giggles and hugs-without mentioning any FACTS.
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:-) FACT - my hug was for you - FACT - you're rude - FACT - you blacklisted me when I pointed out that you edited your rudeness out of your post - FACT - this all makes me smile and giggle :-P
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If Trump becomes president, will he grab my pussy?
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so we have a heartless, careless, selfish liar on one hand and a chauvinistic pig on the other...what is wrong with this country today.. if this is the best we have willing to run this country then its one hell of a sad state of affairs here in the usa,i think its about time we start to take another look at our political and media systems here its like any good candidates are just thrown under the rug before they are even given a chance and all the spotlight goes to the rich megalomaniacs.
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I'm not American, but I did watch both debates and have been following election-related news in the last year. I would easily vote for Clinton over Trump and I'm amazed this race was even close at any point in time. The most interesting articles in my opinion, were those by newspapers that endorsed Republican nominees for more than 100 years but this time chose to endorse Clinton. One editorial by The Arizona Republic is an especially good example. Dare to read it all and tell me that you think Trump is the better nominee. And this was written before the fiasco of Trump confessing to sexual assault ("if you're famous you can do everything to women... grab her by the pussy!").
It's interesting I couldn't find any endorsement for Trump by newspapers that have been endorsing Democrat nominees over the years. I also couldn't find any reports of elected Democrats saying they won't vote for Clinton, where as with Trump dozens of well known Republicans withdrew their support. This include people like Senator John McCain, former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, house speaker Paul Ryan and many others.
Blacklist away, people :-) Maybe it would help Trump win the presidency somehow, because nothing else would.
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Well put, I'm in the same position as you. What I find most irksome, though, is that so many people seem to think or proclaim that the outcome with either candidate would amount to some kind of calamity of equal proportions. People here and elsewhere are saying that they despise the one (Trump) and hate the other (Clinton). Frankly, It's not even a contest here, and I'm inclined to believe that anyone construing or actually positing some kind of equivalence in this situation has either not done their homework regarding the basic facts, is irrationally biased and/or intellectually dishonest, or has ulterior motives. Putting aside the moral issues here, a Trump presidency is intellectually indefensible, even for those that identify as Republican or conservative.
On the other hand, if we take a closer look - actually look - at the arguments raised against Clinton, especially those fielded as grounds for the hate that has been leveled against her, we see that most of these completely fall apart upon scrutiny and actual analysis. Is it possible for anyone to read this extremely thorough and in-depth analysis (compiled in June, btw, months before the current debate and scandalous tape drama, etc.) and defend the irrational hate against Clinton?
Anyways, I don't want to get in to a huge debate about this here. Internet discussions can be so tiresome. I've said my piece and I'll just leave those links here for anyone reading this to examine and honestly consider. If they couldn't convince you, I doubt anything I could add would do the trick, so with that said, I'll be going my merry way and let you go yours as well :)
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giggle - I loved the comment by Trump about the second round of Clinton emails, where he says "who the hell sends that many emails, is she just sitting there all day typing these things" - and I thought yes Donald, she very well could be, it's called 'Work' - LOL - then I thought that perhaps if he'd spent half the amount of time he has spent avoiding taxes, and filing for bankruptcy, he might have sent just as many emails - who can say ! :-P
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Nancy Regan. She was a pretty strong leader to my understanding and I have no reason to personally DESPISE her.
Yes, I know she's dead. Still a better option.
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I do not envy Americans one bit. The lengths both camps are going to, to try and convince themselves their candidates is better than the other. Pointing out flaws in the other and ignoring their candidates own. Assigning degrees of 'badness' to the things their candidates have done. "Yes X did this, but it's not as bad as what Y did". Reality is, both candidates suck, and I'm just glad I live in a country where I don't really have a choice who the president is.... :-D
Ok I kid... but from where I'm standing whoever wins this election, the whole of America is going to lose in some way.
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There's a staggering number of people not voting for their candidate but against the other one.
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I absolutely believe it. And that's really dangerous. Either way it's going to be a rough 4 years for America.
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The way I see it, the best choice is Arnold Schwarzenegger. California is still there, so I believe in him more than our current options.
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A political poll ....
And they say some of my ideas are stupid
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It interesting to see how close the results of the poll here are with the popular vote numbers. I'm referring to the numbers below the map, not the ones at the top that represent the likelihood of winning based on how the US election system works.
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Neither. There is enough evidence on both of them to suggest that they are both bad candidates.
Plus, I'm not american. Brought to you from a giant island riddled with deadly snakes and deserts.
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One day untill election.
After all the stuff going on right now and the new info that showed up in the past month are people here still for killary?
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Really would have liked to have more than those two. I voted and wrote in a name.
Would stay home before I voted one of them.
This election feels like you can vote Clinton and take a figurative shotgun blast to the foot or you can vote Trump and put the Barrel in your mouth. And with all the leaks are showing, it is starting to look like you are putting the barrel in your mouth with both of them.
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Better vote Hillary... The one who literally works for ISIS... Fuck the world, right?
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Check her whole history and her connections... Vote Clinton! Vote ISIS, pretty much... Cheers <3
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When you make a bold claim, the burden of proof is on you.
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Sorry, you're 12? Google is right there, you literally need 30 seconds to find proof on what i said, why should I spent my 30 seconds for someone who's too lazy to find the proof himself?
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I'll follow your logic. Show me proof Hillary is a good person and never had corrupt deals and doesn't have anything to do with any of the wars in the Arabic lands.
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Trying to attack or debate with me, about it means you support the claim that she's innocent.
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it's 1 pm here. Cheers. And it's BS, because any logic in the world applies that a debate has 2 sides, if I support 1 side, you must support the second... Because if we support same side there's 0 point of the debate the first place? ^^
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Oh please, you're most likely the first person to come and call me racist if I use a racial remark towards anyone, even if I don't give a fk what race the person is, I just use the remark as a fact of him/her having it...
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Interesting that you deflect a such a standard query by immediately devolving your argument into personal attacks. A bold strategy, indeed.
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You are attacking me personally, otherwise you'd be reading instead of trying to annoy me further.
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That's not an attack, it's a fact. He is too lazy to search, so he forces me to do it for him. It's like I got a whole folder with proof against Hillary and need to post it all one by one, instead of someone considering the fact that I didn't read it 10 secs ago, but days or weeks and I don't still have the link of the place I did read it. ^^
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I read somewhere about a link between the SG user kapy and ISIS. It is a fact, go look it up.
Do you see why the burden of proof falls to the accuser? The same principle applies to "innocent until proven guilty."
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Difference is that reading your own history for the past history can prove what I said, but reading my own history, you'll most likely in the worst case you'll see me as racist.
Hillary was proven guilty hundred of times and everyone either ignores it, or excuses with some broken logic. So I don't see the logic in your comparison. ^^
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Easy.
The government emails on private server, which got leaked.
Done, one which is well known to all and it's illegal as fuck and she should of gotten jailed only for that alone. ^^
Proof? Google " Hillary + Emails", then go and read the American laws. I don't plan to copy paste your own laws. ^^
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Okay good, you've got the first part-- make a claim. The second part is verifying said claim with a credible source. I'll give you an example:
I refute your claim as incorrect (in this case, my claim would be rejecting your claim).
"No criminality in Clinton emails" - BBC (the BBC is an internationally recognized and respected news source)
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You gave proof to what I said, aka that she leaked government emails from a private server, which is illegal... US laws state that alone makes her guilty.
Secondly this video was made after the FBI agent who investigated her was found dead? Cheers.
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Read the bloody laws instead of posting me bullshit from Wikipedia...
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Erm yeah? Actually you should watch few of her interviews as well... How she supports one time stuff that got the war in Arabic states going and few months later she claims she never did it... I mean she aint that guilty... just signed the documents leading to this current state... And obviously no judge will claim she's guilty publically, if you didn't notice she has bough a lot of people for her campaign... YouTubers, movie stars, singers ect ect... How do you actually fight that ? ^^
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facepalm facepalm facepalm
FBI works for Hillary, that's pretty much how the emails magically got "Ok" status... watch interview of Hillary from 6 months ago and one from 1 month ago over the same subject... One time she says "I support ect ect ect" next time she's like "I don't support ect ect ect"...
That women is literally "I give my opinion, but see the ppl on the net don't like it so I suck dick next time so I can be cool for them"... Government works for her interests as well... Bloody deals with different countries to make money for herself... Trump gave proof to many of these craps already... The hacked emails by Russia... Why dafaq would Russia hack them if they are so "clean" as the "FBI" recently stated, after the accident with the guy investigating it?
Sure if I got legit proof... so tomorrow I might have an "accident" as well? That's how your "democracy" works... Liars lie, steal and corrupt, while people who have proof get removed with an "accident"...
Look how I'll go deep in details and give random proof to a corrupt department, which works for that hag...
So yeah, how do you actually fight that? Welcome to America, the place where freedom of speech is allowed as long as the corrupt leaders can steal and act cool infront the TV... Give proof and you get an accident and later that "proof" is proven "fake"... Cheers yet again... TBH if trump wins the elections I wont be surprised if he magically get assassinated... with an "accident"...
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Welcome to
AmericaEarth, the place where freedom of speech is allowed as long as the corrupt leaders can steal and act cool infront the TV.
Fixed.
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Not really, no matter how corrupt my country is (it's number 1 in Europe), we always had more freedom of speech than any other country... And they don't act cool, they just steal ^^
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number 1 in corruption? who decides something like that, and how? do they have a corruption survey?
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idk, that's what the EU decided to say on the news in their "statistics". I just said wot they claimed on TV x]
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Maybe I'm just too stupid? Have you ever consider that? Because in few years i'll be the same, my intelligence wont grow :p If we get to live the next few years, after Hillary makes world war 3 ^^
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There was literally no debate in any of the comments given towards me ^^ And I give the simple solution, google, search, read, understand, say how it's wrong cuz Hillary is your Goddess
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What? No one is deifying anyone. Hillary deserves just as much scrutiny as any presidential nominee. Which is exactly why we are asking you to expound on some concrete details instead of just saying "she's a criminal, google it!!!"
It's not a ploy to "get" or "trick" you (which is the only reason I can think of to explain your immediate hostility). Sources help legitimately illustrate your point, and by all accounts, should bolster your arguments so that others (like me) can understand you better.
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I'll say it like this... Keep your Goddess Hillary and give Trump to my country. In few years we'll be the next Switzerland of the world and you'll have your Goddess... >_>
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P.S if you need someone from the other end of the world to give you proof of stuff which are more open and obvious in your own country for you, then you got a huge issue and should avoid voting at all... Voting blindly is never a good idea.
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a young person who knows how to use steam/gifts... You're definitely not an internet rookie, so if you didn't find anything it just means you lie. Nothing more and nothing less :>
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Excuse me? It's an opinion? Then why do you ask for proof? Last time I checked the opinion is my own and I am free to express it openly, without having to give any sort of side information or "proof", about it... Or you forgot you're living in a democracy?
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If you consider my opinion as a fact, then what's the point of giving you facts, if you already accepted it as one? Clearly it's true if you believe in it, without proof and a fact is something you believe in... ^^ So you give proof, as you already accepted it from an opinion to a fact.
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why is it so complicated for someone to say it simplifed to I can understand if it's sarcastic, ironic or neither XD
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After watching this last episode of Z Nation, I'm tempted to write in Doc :P
(Excellent episode, though they certainly didn't try to be subtle regarding their stance on the election)
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Hey, how come I cannot vote Potato or No Confidence in this poll?
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If I was American I'd just not vote. Neither of these 2 are deserving.
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Then you would fit right in with a majority of the eligible vote populace.
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How about the other candidates like Jill Stein etc
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I dont think she'd like her name on that dangerous Internet thing
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Stein made a comment saying Wifi can cause brain cancer.
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I wouldn't disagree with that statement either :p Wfi isn't the internet though & she uses the internet all the time to get information out there so don't think your first statement is all that accurate :P
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Looks like this poll fairly accurately represents most polling right now
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‘What Our Nation Needs Is Love and Understanding,’ Says Woman Not Registered to Vote
When asked why she’s not registered to vote, Lark says she doesn’t like “the system” because it “stifles human interaction” and “emphasizes discord.”
“Why do we have two political parties in direct opposition?” Lark says. “We should have as many parties as there are colors—and then we should throw that many parties and everyone should have some cake. That’s how we solve racism.”
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Just latching on here.
You know those old people you like to make fun of? The conservative, tea-party seniors who watch Fox News 24 hours a day and say crazy, racist shit at Thanksgiving dinner? Quick note on them: they vote. They always vote. They vote like it’s a goddamn religion. Meanwhile, the vast majority of people in your age group couldn’t find a voting booth with a state-of-the-art GPS stuffed up their ass. Take a look at the graph above again. See the information on the right? It was put together in 2014 by the Pew Research Center. At the bottom of all of those bars you’ll see a segment called “Bystanders.” This refers to people “On the sidelines of the political process who are not registered to vote and pay very little attention to politics.” With seniors that segment is at only 3%. In your age group that same segment skyrockets to nearly 20%. Do you see a pattern developing here?
I realize that it’s difficult to appreciate the value of historical perspective when you’re too young to actually have any. But you know who does have a little historical perspective? Seniors. And maybe that’s one of the reasons they are so serious about voting. Because unlike you, they’ve been around long enough to know that voting booths are the place where shiny new political movements go to die. And maybe they also know that rallies with twenty or thirty thousand people may seem amazing and powerful while you are at them, but voting is the real difference between a large political movement and a large political circle-jerk.
And in regard to so much of the attitude I’m seeing — No matter how much we plead for you to get involved and no matter how fiercely you are courted by politicians, the majority of you steadfastly refuse to express any interest in voting. And yet somehow there is no end to your bitter and entitled disappointment with the American electoral system. Really, it’s like watching a bunch of vegans bitch about how pork doesn’t taste as good as it used to. And quite frankly, it takes a particularly special pair of stones to vote this badly and then have the fucking gall to claim that your vote was suppressed. So here’s your free wake-up call from Uncle Mike: nobody needs to go to the bother of suppressing your vote. You’re doing that just fine on your own. Quite frankly, all anyone who’s worried about the “youth vote” needs to do is let you be you.
History, as the saying goes, is made by those who show up. You don’t.
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I have just one question...
How does public vote matter here?
As far as i know only electoral votes matter and one candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win and there are ONLY 538 electors in the electoral collage.
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Generally, the electoral must respect the trend of their respective district's majority vote. Ideally, those same popular voters would have also participated in the election of those electoral voters as well. The reason the electoral college has become such an issue, is that poor voter turnout leaves the electoral college much more power to influence outcomes. Especially when you take into account the abysmal voter turnout for anything not presidential, it's easy to see how quickly the disconnect forms between the electoral college and the voting populace.
tl;dr: If everyone participated in the political system, electoral votes shouldn't ever contradict popular majority.
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Generally, the electoral must respect the trend of their respective district's majority vote.
Don't forget faithless electors who muck up everything. There are at least a few to expect this year, from both sides.
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I couldn't find an actual poll.
Here's the new and updated poll:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/IFwjV/the-final-poll-trump-hillary-jill-stein-gary-johnson-other
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