This thread hurt my head, Yes it should be legal, people need to let people do what they want, to much government control, most people I know partake occasionally, its not addictive unless you are a weak willed person, out of the 20 or so people I know only 1 was weak minded enough for this to happen to, he is also addicted to other things so its kinda silly to assume it has addictive properties.
Now, onto the other point, people are saying crap like "Its not a drug", oh yes it is, so is coffee/tea/aspirin/etc...all things we use to enhance our normal everyday's. Drug doesn't = Bad. Drugs can be bad or good, depends on the drug, weed is a drug, it effects both the mind and body, helps with pain, relieves stress, relaxes people, has the potential to make things more funny, gives you more of a an appetite, helps concentration etc...
I know 50 year old's that own successful businesses, have steady jobs, nice houses, well behaved kids that smoke a couple times a week or even daily after a long day of work, think of it like having a beer after a hard days work. There is a reason its legal in multiple states now and rapidly becoming legal in others(Vermont's next I think and Oregon?).
truth is both Alcohol and Cigarettes do more damage, live and let live. Know what the real crime is? Putting people in jail for 5+ years for possession, ruining life over something as harmless as weed. If it was so dangerous to the body they would not give it to aids/cancer patients....people already afflicted and trying to stay healthy.
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To be honest, it's crazy that the government can tell people "you can't do what you want with your own body and if you don't listen we will put said body in a cage".
Laws should be in place to keep the population safe from outside harm (murder/rape/theft/etc), not to tell people they cannot have full control of their own person. If I want to skydive, get a tattoo, go rock-climbing, drink alcohol until I pass out - all of which can be hazardous or deadly to myself - that is fine with Uncle Sam. So how do they then turn around and tell us that doing certain drugs, many of which are less dangerous than the aforementioned activities, is a crime punishable by jail?
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Exactly although some drugs really should not be legal, I am talking things like Meth that ruin whole houses(Once a math house, might as well knock the house down and evac the neighbors).
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Honestly, if people are gonna be doing it anyway... I'd much rather people legally able to get pot rather than bath salts.
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It's more about companies power and control then anything, example: E-Cigarettes, most doctors and even the American Heart Association are in favor of them, people are trying to ban them, cuts into big tobacco to much...
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Frankly, this is a political discussion and according to the FAQ, second point under the Chat Room, Forum, and Site Etiquette section:
"Please avoid creating topics for political discussion."
Also, has anyone even pointed out the REAL reason behind making it illegal in the US? Personally, no, I do not think kids should be doing ANYTHING that they shouldn't. I went to school in a conservative state. Their policy on stuff: scare kids and maybe they won't do it. Drug education: emphasized they hell out of "don't do weed" and a little on crack, and almost never touched on the REALLY nasty harmful drugs. Sex ed: didn't exist, at least not GOOD sex ed that actually taught you about contraceptive and how things REALLY worked with the body; it was "Let's bring in an HIV+ person and scare the shit out of them" (Yes....my high school actually did that; the guest speaker was someone who supposedly had HIV). Teenagers are stereotyped as rebellious for a reason. You tell them not to do something and harp on it enough, they are going to say fuck you and go do it to either spite you or because it is "the forbidden fruit" factor or because their friends are doing it too and make it seem like the thing to do. (Drugs, alcohol, parties, sex, etc...) Youth need to be properly educated on this shit, but most aren't. When you become mature enough to make somewhat better choices and decisions, fine, do whatever. I have no issues with weed itself. In some cases, it is beneficial to certain people, helping them cope with pain, disorders, and other things. BUT that is with moderate use, not taking a goddamn toke every half hr to hour. Smoke (cigarette, weed, fire, others) are NOT good for your lungs. Smoke has residue and chemicals and particles that stick to the inside of your lungs; shit that should not be there. Used properly and responsibly, marijuana gives an option to some people who can't take conventional medication for whatever reasons (that is just as harmful, btw, because ALL drugs, be they OTC, prescription, or illegal, have chemicals that are harmful in some aspect or another. Ex: most painkillers damage the liver.)
This is a topic though, that has too many points to properly and fully discuss. It is a political one at that, which always leads to shit in public forums. So there is reason the admin have in the rules "No political based discussions"
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Agreed and repeated:
Frankly, this is a political discussion and according to the FAQ, second point under the Chat Room, Forum, and Site Etiquette section:
"Please avoid creating topics for political discussion."
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Well yeah, but honestly alcohol is more harmful to kids, kids should not be doing any of this though, should have an 18+ restriction or higher, I would have to really sit down and think before I came up with an appropriate age.
I never did any of these things under the age of 18, but many of my peers did, illegal or not, kids will do dumb things...thats life, people make mistakes.
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Oh of course, alcohol is terrible for kids, I don't think kids should be anywhere near it, but I don't think people should just blanket call weed "harmless". So many under 18s I know who smoke weed would say the usual "it's fine, weed's harmless, it's just a plant", and it's just misinformation.
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And there are laws that address those stuff. Your point?
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Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, because I've made my point clear. If pot is legalized, it should be restricted to adults above a certain age level.
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Yes, and that's a different argument.
And that isn't my point. My point is people shouldn't be gallivanting around advertising weed as "harmless", since kids obviously see these statements aswell, and decide that since it's harmless they might as well smoke it.
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Where the fck are all these kids' parents guys? Is there massive bands of unmonitored lawless orphans wandering the streets of our post-apocalyptic world right now or what? I swear the people who are afraid of cannabis are more paranoid than the people who smoke it.
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I don't know how sheltered a life you live, but kids do tend to spend time away from home, and lots of them decide to indulge in various different substances. I'm not talking about 8 year olds, I'm talking about 16+. The ones who, you know, start experimenting with tobacco, alcohol, and/or drugs. And the ones who will, if they develop a habit for any of them, probably stick with them for life.
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Tobacco and alcohol are drugs, and certainly more addictive and dangerous than cannabis (especially when it comes to developing minds and bodies).
What solution, beyond locking all children in cages until we determine they're fit to make decisions for themselves, do you have to prevent drug use? You are considerably more sheltered and naive than me if you truly believe making something illegal will ever stop someone from obtaining it should they desire.
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Almost everyone I know smoked weed on some weekends in HS, most hold pretty steady jobs and live rather normal life's...making it legal wont change much, hell a lot of teens drink also, some actually found it harder to get alcohol then weed and thats legal...
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Parents now days spend less and less time "parenting" their children. Part of the problem is that now days, both parents often need an income to deal with the expenses of having a family.
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It also has reduced actual violent crime, and there's less accidents on the highways there.
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I hate the smell of both marijuana and tobacco. Since tobacco is already legal, but practically illegal to smoke in public, I'm okay with marijuana being the same.
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Weed is not a cure for cancer, there is no way it would have any way of doing that. It has been used to increase appetite in people who have lost their hunger from chemo, and possibly any pains to have gone with it, but never for curing anything.
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It's a plant, it's simply a plant, and its oil can cure a shitload of health issues and diseases, it's overall positive, but i don't know why it's illegal, looks alot like religions to me, if you think weed is disgusting, you were brainwashed like religious people.
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Its because of big pharma and tobacco companies, they hold a lot of pull.
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Cocaine,opium, tobbacco are also plants, one is legal others are not... can you guess why?
Also weed is disgusting and i'm not brainwashed, i will be ass and assume you are around age of 20? I knew people that smoked almost daily starting 15 years ago... right now they are pretty much walking pieces of trash... want to guess when they became trash... hint: it was not so recent.
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That's a pretty closed view, I've been smoking for depression issues, and it's working for me, I started at 18 and I'm 22 now, extremely smart, outgoing, happy, etc.
Overall I don't know why the gov. hasn't used weed and taxation on it to cure their spending habits.
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There is a difference between smoking it for depressive issues, and smoking it casually. Generally, when used to treat depression, you are given a limited amount like any other drug to use to treat the issue, when used casually, it is more likely to be abused to the point in which one would be a "walking piece of trash."
Using it to treat medical and mental problems is fine, but opening it to people who can't bother to moderate themselves is just going to create health issues.
Marijuana taxes would not be enough to "cure" government spending, as there will be costs associated with dealing with the legal and health issues that rise with the legalization of marijuana. Taxation means there will be some level of regulation, which no one has any real idea how far they would actually have to go on that, which means costs in dealing with the regulation, enforcement, and dealing with people who drive under the influence of marijuana. Then there is the costs in healthcare from overdoses (which can happen, generally causes mental issues) and car accidents.
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If you think smoking weed is good for you, then you are not smart.
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I know 40+ year olds' that have successful careers and businesses that smoke, I know people in there 40's that are bums that don't smoke, oh look assumptions...based on ones personal world and not the entire world.
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Aside from the argument, I just think it's plain stupid people would spend so much money on any drug, cigarette, and alcohol simply to get a 'fix' or feel good. It urks me more when these people are the ones complaining about not having enough money. Think people, get happy doing something else. If you're stinking rich, go ahead, just please don't do it around me!
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If you 'need' it medically, same thing, just do it privately. I'm not gong to debate how safe it is or what not, just keep it to yourself. Please and thank you
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Says Hillary...(Not meant to be offensive, but slightly ironic to certain people)
I just don't like how often (In America), there's a nice percentage of weed smokers who are also the ones on welfare, government assistance, things like that. If you believe that weed is cheap, go ahead and smoke it. As I said earlier, don't let me see it or smell it, and definitely don't complain to me about money issues, and we're all good.
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No one I know that is on welfare, government assistance, etc...smokes. I am sure plenty of people are but we can't assume everyone is also...
Of course, but the reason for the high cost is because its illegal now and you cant grow it near your tomatoes in the backyard so to speak...
I would never complain about money issues, nor would I blow it in your face.
Deal :-P.
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The other thing is that 75% of those people don't even need it medically. Complain of back pains and they won't refuse you some good weed.
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Short answer? Yes.
I don't smoke weed, I've never tried it and never wanted to, but I still think it should be legalized... Nobody under 21, though. Recent studies indicate it may cause certain problems with memory that are more severe in people that are still growing, so to speak. Of course, you just know the tobacco companies would start pushing it like crazy. What would be interesting is if the government stepped in and made it so those companies aren't allowed to advertise on TV, radio, newspaper, magazines... nothing. No manipulative ads of any kind.
Bloodsuckers would probably cry. God, I hate cigarettes.
Anyway, there are way too many possible medical applications of marijuana and its various components to keep saying "no" to it, just because of the perception of it being there just to get stoned on. They still use cocaine for eye surgeries and no one says "boo" about that. Hopefully legalization would cause the medical research to increase significantly.
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I honestly think every drug should be legal and as cheap as possible (tobacco, alcohol, tea and coffe included) but it should be law for people to wear some kind of brands clearly stating what drug they use. We teadrinkers could stay clear of rest of filth thanks to this :P
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I have a serious topic, and I only want truthful answers. I'm 15 I'll admit. I see kids in my High School smoking weed, talking about weed, and how it should be legalized, it disgusts me. I mean, if you're over 18 and you smoke it, that's fine, I don't really care. But, you shouldn't do drugs if you are under 18 for god's sake! I hope people who are reading this agree with me, and here is the real question. Should weed be legalized? I mean, it's somewhat proven to not be that dangerous, but I call BS on that. I truly do. I mean like I said, even if it was, even if it WAS legalized in all of the US, kids still wouldn't be allowed access to it because they are under aged! Anyone have an opinion? (Be smart, and be mature ONLY.)
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