Doesn't interest me at all since I'm not into living room gaming...
Though I do have one point I'm curious about. The whole streaming games to your SteamOS thing... Wouldn't it lag? Even a second lag between user input and in game reaction makes the game feel off.
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I originally was going to put "split second" but then I didn't want any hardcore blind fanboys to be like "wellz u hav a split secnd lag neware lulululz". I don't play FPSes but I do play a lot of online so yes, I do know that even very slight lag hinders your performance.
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You wouldn't want to play competitive online games through a system like that, but for singleplayer it's fine. There's already software that allows you to do this, but there's no really polished version of it. No easy to use solution.
The closest thing you can get to easy-to-use would probably be the Nvidia Shield, but that requires that you have both an Nvidia GPU and buy a Shield handheld.
Other software like Kainy or Splashtop works but they are difficult to setup and has limitations. Hopefully Vavle can make it a better experience.
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I agree with the point of popularity, but predicting a little...
Even if they announce as their 3rd announcement a shiny SteamBox it won't solve. I can already see them saying: "oh, you can stream our game through SteamBox/OS. If you don't like it, you can install it directly on windows"
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but then Gabe says HL3 is steamOs exclusive and everybody migrates to steamOs
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Gamehouses will start porting to Linux if there's enough gamers and money. Valve can make Linux popular, looks like Valve was able to create some magic "convert-to-Linux" software (or at least made it much easier), and if they will sell some SteamBox then there's really big money in that (70% from Steam goes to publisher, as opposed to around 30% - if not less - from console boxed game).
Gabe isn't stupid, he wouldn't go with SteamBox if he couldn't make big names work with it.
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If you look through the last majority of games launched on steam, you'll see that most of them:
1 - Are Indies
2 - Big house publishers who (most of them) have already their way to publish online.
I prefer to buy my games on steam because is more convenient to me, not because they have exclusive games or such (outside Orange Box basically, which I don't play much). You just have to see the Ouya fiasco (i bought it on kickstart, i know what i'm talking about) and you can understand a bit of what's going to happen.
Again i stand on my point: no major softwarehouse will convert their games to another platform because there is a POSSIBLE chance to sell games there. You have to hire specialized devels to convert the game to that platform, QAs and Testers, sometimes even license to port their graphic technology to another system (I couldn't find OpenGL license to commercial use, but there are terms to use). Do you really think there would be money to port old games?
Last, even if he lauch HL3, he isn't mad to launch it exclusively to SteamOS/SteamBox. The majority of gamers don't install or migrate your ambient to another OS just to play one game.
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There are tons of game-makers that convert their game to another platform just to sell more games. CD Red made Witcher 2 for X360. R* shows big "f-you" to PC and then later they usually release their games (and are surprised not that many PC gamers are buying it again after a year with same $50 price tag). Even Valve went out of their comfort zone and made Portal 2 for PS3, after years of saying Playstation=no-way. Only question is - is Valve popular enough to make enough converts, so big-names will see $$$ in linux-porting?
And we have no idea if Valve was able to make some magic "convert-to-linux.exe" file or not - maybe they were able to make it much easier?
Damn, someone should give Sony a memo they are mad for not launching their exclusives on other consoles/PCs and keeping them for PS...
To tell truth, we need to know if there's some steamBox or not and what it would be. If it's something powerful as XB1/PS4, they MUST release games like HL3 as steam-exclusives to sell it. But if it's just some Wii then yeah, there's no reason to keep HL3 as exlusive as nobody will care about it anyway.
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While this seems nice, steamOs will be based on linux kernel,so presumably all games on Linux will work there too.Seeing the rate at which games are currently ported to linux this is not pretty great.
Not only, but this will only make things harder for developers,seeing games like borderlands 2, that have different patching times on mac os versus windows,this will only make it harder to maintain and patch yet another version,and I really doubt developers are ready to do that.Not to mention the financial investment such a thing takes.
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Looks terrible, considering its intended audience is gamers. It's Linux-based, so 95% of all existing games won't even work. Which means you'll have to stream everything, which means there's no point in ever using SteamOS. Maybe if enough developers drop Windows in favor of SteamOS it'll be a hit, but I don't see that happening any time soon. The only positive thing about this is that we're likely to see more games being released on both Linux and Windows.
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I don't care. Yet. Let's see if it gets better in 48 hours...
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It's an Operating System (OS). You can install it on your PC just like you would install Windows. You can keep your Windows/Mac besides SteamOS, if you're wondering about that.
You'll be asked which OS you want to run when your PC is booting.
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Some distros in the past cost money, not sure about now, Lindows was funny(seriously there was a Linux that charged a yearly fee).
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Assuming you have a Mac that you can dual boot on and it meets the rest of the requirements, yes.
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I'll probably check it out. Atleast it's something interesting and new. But there's one thing - you can't run Windows games on Linux without other software - does this mean Valve will have it all built in their Linux Steam Edition (yeah, I call it like that)?
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I will never use that, that's for sure. I will not let Gabe decide how i play. Man, Steam's monopoly will be bad for us all..
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That monopoly part will only be true if they'd not let you play games outside Steam. If this will be compatible with Desura, Origin and the various forms of DRM free (or pirated material for that matter), then that's not what monopoly means.
Phew, I was so close to include a lame pun on the board game...
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Steam had the monopoly for a long time. What you got was fantastic deals, a great system, brilliant sales events and lots of pioneering free features.
Then competition came along. Slowly the deals and sales events have been getting worse. You have to have multiple DRM to play games as Origin, Uplay etc wont allow their games on to Steam.
I know which one i would prefer.
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This is exactly what happened. From a user's perspective, Steam was far better about 2 years ago. The same will happen if SteamOS has become the leading gaming OS: The quality will become worse
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It's not my logic. It's what always happens when a company has no real competitors
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... you mean like Microsoft and Windows? It has no real competitors (at least as a gaming platform) and Microsoft themselves has no real financial benefit to keep supporting PC gaming.
In fact, the best thing for Microsoft would be if PC gaming just died out and everyone moved on to consoles. Since they get a cut off every 360 (and soon Xbox One) game sold there's just no reason for them to keep PC gaming alive.
(also, just out curiosity: What was better about Steam 2 years ago?)
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Good question. For the rather short almost-2-years I was a user, I rarely noticed anything different about it.
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Windows is a general purpose OS which means you can't compare Steam or SteamOS with it. But since you tried to make an argument with it: Microsoft realized that tablets and smartphones became a threat (-> attacking Microsofts monopoly) and now they try to become appealing again with Windows 8, Windows Phone and Windows 8 RT. People don't like it, but it's a fact that Microsoft tries to re-establish their dominance through innovation.
Yes, regarding the profit they make with games it would be better for them if more people would start using xbox. But again, since Windows is a general purpose OS, you can be sure that they would never artificially decrease the quality of their OS as a gaming OS
Things that were better about Steam 2 years ago:
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@0x442E472E Then it is your logic that is flawed. Read the comments. Steam WAS better when it had the monopoly.
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Linking to a Wiki doesnt mean anything. It is a hypothetical outcome. It could happen with some companies or most companies (Microsoft). It doesnt mean it would happen. Steam was a monopoly. When it was a monopoly it was far better.
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This is pretty good news. Many game developers are not bothered to make Linux port of their games because there are very little market for it. With SteamOS coming as Linux distro, this sure gives them confidence to develop the port.
And "Watch for announcements in the coming weeks about all the AAA titles coming natively to SteamOS in 2014."
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Sometimes it amazes me how many idiots are gaming on PC. You would have thought they would be on console. So many idiotic comments in here.
Steam OS can be installed so that you have a dual boot system. Choose whichever you need to use at boot. This doesnt have to replace windows.
Games can be streamed to the living room. This means you dont need a gigantic box next to the TV or 2 x expensive graphics cards, processors etc. It saves money and gives you multi room.
Nobody cares if you will not benefit. This is a starting point. Some people will benefit and that is the whole point. In the future as more and more is added and Windows gets worse and worse (Windows 8) then more people will feel those benefits.
Its Free
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I like it when people say "Windows runs just fine" but they have no idea what they are talking about.
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OK, i am assuming you do ? You can already have a LinuxWindows dual boot. Steam OS uses Linux and they would be fools not to allow that. So whats your reasoning ?
http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
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Look further down the page and read some comments. I made that comment because obviously some people didnt grasp that.
1 gaming PC is cheaper than 2. If you game in different rooms then you will only be using the 2nd some of the time so not that much more electric. All of the reveals are not done yet. You dont know what machines you can use as a second box. If they make some sort of app it could come pre-loaded on TV's. Then it wouldnt require anymore electric at all.
Yes for the future. For now not all games will work.
Just dont know how some people can complain about something free being put out there. Its an option.
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1.2.3.4. I will keep it to one now because you are talking rubbish. Competition from Origin, Uplay etc changed the deals or events you get. Steam OS didnt. Some people dont want to run a cable and now they have a choice. Because you wouldnt want it means nothing. In a world where Android gaming is increasing, consoles is ever higher and you are getting consoles like the Ouya, then this is another way to bring Steam to the masses. That means more game sales, more users and in the end more profit if the cash is what you are worried about. I find it sad that it needs explaining to you. If they bring an app out for the streaming then it can be placed onto TV's, Blu Ray or Consoles. You wouldnt need either a second PC or any cables. You have a choice keep your HDD space and game as normal or dual boot and try it out. Its free and can be installed or uninstalled whenever you want. Some people will use it though.
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Hello Albert, the one who is taking rubbish is the one who claims having extra PC and LAN cabling around the house to have worse gaming experience than single stronger PC and HDMI cable is better. No, we don't have such nice sales due to huge sums burnt for "free" OS, deal with it. Competition is the same as above. Also, regarding Steam 'masses', take a look here. Steam Linux users total grand 0.65%. Yeeeah, the fact linux Steam usage is even lower than general linux PC usage means everyone totally wants Gabe to waste their money on mirage projects, am I right?
And seriously, you think Sony and Microsoft will allow Steam app into their consoles? When they blocked even pure linux installation? Man, I really want what you're smoking, the stuff is so strong it could send rocket to the Moon XD
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I dont think Microsoft or Sony will allow them onto their consoles no. If you keep talking the same rubbish it isnt going to make it true. Competition is what affected sales, deal with that. Get it in your head and keep it there. I dont need to see any data on Linux users. Steam is not in any hardware for the living room yet. Manufacturers can come up with whatever equipment they choose. That could be a TV, a Blu Ray player or a console. People then buying new equipment may get a TV with Steam on, a Blu Ray with Steam on or a console with Steam on. Lots more choices for an average person to discover Steam. Man this stuff is basic, why do you even need it explaining. Think about things before you type.
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Count me in for this! I'ma give it a try at least, but yeah, I'm kinda hyped about it.
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Up until the final reveal they will mean living room PC's. Then after the reveals it could mean Steam Box and possibly through an app like Onlive but one that uses your local Wi-Fi rather than the internet. Steam could then come on TV's, Blu Ray and Consoles.
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http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/183178/
What they are doing is creating an Android for consoles. Manufacturers can use the OS and come up with whatever hardware they want and all have the same ecosystem and store to purchase from. Xbox & PS4 are the equivalent of Apple.
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I still don't get why you have to ask that. They have two announcements left, obviously everything will be explained in due time, nobody knows what this will be about in the big picture (I mean that as an expression, not the Steam Big Picture feature).
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