I haven't scrolled down so excuse me if I'm falling into repetition.
Let me first say: Amen. A brilliant move. Where 'the other two' have left a gap for gamers. iOS has always been the worst gaming platform, and Windows has been advertising every OS they brought out since XP as 'optimized for gaming'. Cool marketing terms, with no to minimal noticeable features that actually prove this theory.
Quoting:
“In SteamOS, we have achieved significant performance increases in graphics processing, and we’re now targeting audio performance and reductions in input latency at the operating system level. Game developers are already taking advantage of these gains as they target SteamOS for their new releases.”
The latter may be true yet it should not be praised before seeing positive input from developers. But bear with me here, with the mainstream OSs being mediocre at best for gaming, will this become the major OS for all (PC) gamers out there? It certainly has peaked my interest, and with PC gamers being a fair percentage of the consumer market is Valve going to surpass even crApple in market share?
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ChromeOS by Google, for web shit, while SteamOS by Valve for gamers... 2 quite different OS' if you ask me.
Also, don't get me wrong, just my opinion,
Google haven't made anything better for a long time. YT is my first example, they removed "Stop download" button, same for annotiations, I had to ask my friend to link me to YT Inbox and I had to bookmark it cause I can't find it anywhere -.-.
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So, they are making another Android, linux-like OS with a lot of proprietary parts? Meh, while that approach is the only working one that will ever make gaming possible on linux, it won't be 'linux' various fanatics claim is best OS. It will be just another Android or Mac OS, system that can run some simple linux code and is based on linux kernel while being incompatible with pure linux distributions, IMO.
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As said already earlier. It is an Android for consoles. Xbox & PS4 are the equivalent of Apple.
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If this can play GTA 1 correctly, I'll consider getting it. Maybe!
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Windows works fine. Not excellent by any means, just good enough. Linux doesn't. At least not for games. They wouldn't only have to fix that, but they would need to make a much more user friendly OS than any of the current distros if they plan to make it a big thing.
Honestly, I couldn't care less. Windows works just fine. Valve can't even keep steam bug free, but yet somehow they think they'll be able to manage an OS. I doubt I'll even try it out in the near future. Good for those that liked the news though, I suppose.
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Define fine. Depending on what version of Windows was around when the game was developed MANY games have issues on Windows 7 and from what I understand even more have issues on 8. And that is the ones that work at all. There are tons of games that you can't even get to start on 7 without adding hacks, tweaks, command line options, etc....
The sad truth is anything written when XP was the norm is probably going to work as well or better under wine let alone with a native port.
For a lot of people the only reason they kept running Windows at all on any machines was because of wanting to play games and over time I swear Microsoft has done their best to shoot themselves in the foot and make sure fewer and fewer games work correctly or at all.
Now you are going to see a lot of people completely ditch windows. Between Macs, Linux (and a plethora of other free OSes), Android, and iOS, and now SteamOS there is pretty much no reason to bother with Windows ever again.
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The reason for windows is the majority of AAA games use DirectX.
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Won't talk about Windows 8 because:
a) I don't use it.
b) I don't plan to use it.
As for windows 7, I currently own (according to steam) 326 games, and you can add some other 'unofficial' games to that number. So far I've only once have had trouble running a game (Project freedom) and I cannot even confirm that it was because of windows incompatiblity (more likely 64 bit incompatibility). Other than that, the most I've ever had to do to run a game was set compatibility mode. If adding command line options to a game is a problem to you and you are considering switching to a Linux based OS, I have bad news for you.
The reasons to use windows will remain the same: It works good enough and it's easy to use. Is Linux safer? Yes. Is linux faster? Sure. Am I going to bother with it when my current OS is not only easier to use, but safe and fast enough? Nope. As I said before, unless they make the steam OS as user friendly as windows, only Linux fans will make the switch.
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To be honest, the number of gamers that use windows is a such a small and insignificant amount compared to all MS's other users. It wouldnt make any sense to build their OS for gamers and alienate the rest of their OS consumer base. Doesnt mean they dont screw up in other ways currently though.
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I'll be disappointed if SteamOS doesn't boot up with this each time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7qMEZx7scw
All in all, an amazing announcement. I wonder if I could even use my netbook with Ubuntu with a dual boot SteamOS to stream games from my main rig.
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I really like the idea of Streaming, other than that, i see not much of an advantage. Windows works well, and considering there are still a good amount of bugs and missing features in Steam itself, i don't think i'd really make use of it.
We'll see, hopefully they manage to pull it off well enough, i am a bit worried about the future regarding compatability, will they push games (maybe valve exclusive) to only run with SteamOS? If that's the case, that'd be quite the negative point against it.
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Yeah, it will still split up the demographic even more though, i hope they don't go that road at least.
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Couldn't care less about hl3, but if they plan to make money out of it they will need to either ensure that the majority of PC gamers switch to their OS, or provide support for windows as well.
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I'm probably the only person who doesn't like this.
Sounds like OnLive + Linux.
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I don't see the point of this. Windows does everything I want my PC to do and it is already hooked up to my TV.
Instead of pulling a Google, I wish Valve just focused on what Steam was meant for - Games. I don't want music, movies, or software in my Steam. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, I wish they improved the current Steam UI - forum sucks, can't ever find anything there; switching between tabs takes forever; no multi-monitor support for viewing multiple tabs simultaneously; etc.
No thanks, Valve.
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So...is SteamOS just for streaming games...or is there more to it?
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Considering the Steam client barely works for me without its own operating system, I'm skeptical on how good this will be.
Then again, Valve. I suppose I'll wait and see.
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OS for TV? Thx, but no. If i need large screen - i connect my PC with TV via HDMI
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Every one is so exited about the streaming... Really? You can stream your PC to any other computer (PC, Mac and linux) for the past couple of years... You can even stream it to your smartphone and do a ghetto project shield.....
SteamOS will only be good for people who play indie linux games... Games for linux have low frame rates compared to the windows versions, valve and devs will have to work very hard to solve this. The only other good thing is if most of steams games can be ported to linux right and game devs start to develop games natively for linux.
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your second statement is garbage
sure it takes work but the potential for better fps is there in linux......stop hanging onto windows and move forward.
http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/ ->
After this work, Left 4 Dead 2 is running at 315 FPS on Linux. That the Linux version runs faster than the Windows version (270.6) seems a little counter-intuitive, given the greater amount of time we have spent on the Windows version. However, it does speak to the underlying efficiency of the kernel and OpenGL. Interestingly, in the process of working with hardware vendors we also sped up the OpenGL implementation on Windows. Left 4 Dead 2 is now running at 303.4 FPS with that configuration.
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I didn't say that linux is worse. I like linux, but at the moment i don't have any use for it. I mainly play on my PC and linux for now isn't able to run most of my games natively or aceptably. The day i can play most of my games on SteamOS or any other linux distro i will say good bye to windows. I really hope this project is the one that will be able to do this for me and for many others. But this will be a long fight to get big game devs to start working with linux and opengl.
You might be able to do some work yourself and not be scared of screwing up to get games running nicely on linux, i also tryed a couple of times to use linux as my main OS, but most people just want to be able to install a OS, intall steam a just click a button to get their games downloaded, instaled and running nicely.
If Steam can make their games runnig in opengl, even not perfectly and with some fame drops, i will migrate permenently to linux.
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As somebody who's been championing this idea (or ideas like it) for 20 years, let me try and find some naysayers and address them. I don't know any more about Steam OS than any of you. I may know less about it some of you. I probably found out after most of you (I got up four hours after it announced). But I can speak as to why this is important to PC gamers.
The #1 thing is Microsoft is gonna push us out eventually. Can't stop 'em. Windows 8 was meant to appeal to the iOS herd. Touch screen computing may even be the future for office and media machines. It's great for artists. But for gamers? We all feel the cold shoulder from Touch and Metro and iOS and all that we call trash. It's not for gamers. Never was meant to be. Windows 9 might be better, but eventually, Windows is going to be absolutely more hostile to gaming than you think Linux is now. If we wait until then, we're screwed. There needs to be a push to Linux sooner than later, so that when all y'all holdouts finally admit you have to switch, there will be enough momentum that you can.
Imagine a train, if you will. The train is on Microsoft's tracks right now. Ahead, the bridge is out. The speed of the train is unknown. You're scared, so you're hiding in the caboose (rear car). Some of us are jumping over to tracks that go on forever. We don't need all of you. If enough of you jump, the train that is gaming will move regardless if anyone's left in the caboose or not. Momentum. If we all wait, it will be too late when we reach the bridge. If we all jump now, we all take a risk that ends up paying off. But Valve knows only a few people will jump at first. They have to go first and they have to show us it's safe.
Streaming can be done now. How? This is not common knowledge and it's a pain in the... um caboose (not sure SG's swearing policy)... to set up. Most people don't mess with it. This is only even viable if you have two computers. Most folks don't. If you have two computers, and you can do it now, bully for you. For the rest of us, it'll be easy to do. And I'm not even sure what's up with all this streaming stuff anyway. That's not an aspect with Steam OS I'm familiar with.
I can just use HDMI! You and me both. My PC is right next to my TV. I do this all the time. What this overlooks is, your PC is still running Windows, and Windows is the problem. See the #1 thing above.
Steam app sucks in Windows. Yes it does, and that doesn't matter. The Steam client can suck in Steam OS for all I care, and all you should care, as long as the games work. The client will probably work better on an OS that Valve can get under the hood of anyway.
Baa! Baa! Baa! What's that? Oh, let me translate. "Windows is just fine." Wait, what? No it's not. Go back to the iPhone 5S line. See the #1 thing again.
Linux has no gaming support. Yes, it does. What it doesn't have is AAA developers like Bethesda targeting it. Instead, they tie their games to proprietary, non-free libraries so they can only ever work on Windows. Do they gain anything for this? Not really. Maybe it works a little better in Windows, they don't have to do as much. Not sure on that. But gaming on Linux is 100% viable, if a game is targeted to it. Games can be ported after the fact as well. When it can play That One Game (for me, it's Skyrim), you'll be thinking more about how you can make it work and less about why you won't.
Android/OUYA. No it isn't. Android is a fork of Linux. They aren't compatible with one another's apps. OUYA uses Android. Nvidia Shield uses Android. Android is okay for phones and tablets, but it isn't what we're talking about. Not at all. Android has nothing to do with Steam OS.
Chrome OS. Chrome OS is outdated. The idea of an OS that is just Chrome is stupid. Windows can run Chrome. Linux can run Chrome and so can OS X. Hell, Android can run Chrome. There's no need to build a whole OS around it. That's just one of the missteps Google has made, like Buzz, Orkut, and Wave. You could just run Steam on Linux, too. And that's part of the point. Steam OS and Linux are one and the same as far as developers are concerned. Steam OS is just a more attractive name. Linux is kind of a stigma. Any game that works on Steam OS will work on Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, or whatever other Linux distro you happen to prefer. And I'm sure there will be instructions. It'll just be easier for Steam OS users because that's the point.
Whew. I'll try to get back tomorrow and look for replies. Keep it civil, etc.
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Thanks for the info on the profanity filter. I generally don't swear as a personal rule, but you can see where it would have fit. Don't really care for flame wars, it's not like I know anybody personally.
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Actually, ChromeOS seems to be leading towards a point where Chrome becomes the platform on which the ecosystem is built, and with cloud syncing, any computer you sit down at is basically yours for the time that you're using it if it has Chrome on it. If I was a student, and the cloud/Chrome apps provided me with everything I needed to get my work done (which isn't exactly the case yet), I'd definitely get a Chromebook over a 'standard' laptop for schoolwork. Consider the broader world of use cases.
It's all about the right tool for the job.
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Very nice reasoning.
Another thing I'd like to add is that it entitles PC as consoles, as even up to this point in time, there are people who can't think of a PC and a console as one.
People say "Windows works fine", yet they forget there are a lot of individuals who wouldn't even think of going through the trouble of installing a desktop OS for the sake of playing games when there are consoles available that let them basically turn it on and play.
SteamBox would be a console which runs games, games that would work on Windows, Linux and custom SteamOS builds as well, effectively merging the console-gaming and desktop-gaming community through Steam.
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I'm a little confused. What's the point to it? Can they guarantee every game that works on Windows will work just as well on their new OS, or do you need to run a Windows emulator? Either way, there's no reason to switch from Windows.
And the other thing: Steam has crashed on me three times today alone. I can't even remember the last time Windows crashed. I barely trust my games to Steam, there's no way in hell I'm trusting them with my entire computer what with their almost nonexistent support and their habit of blatantly ignoring bugs and releasing new features that introduce more bugs instead of fixing anything.
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Well, they have a very distinct 'system requirements' part. If you see Mac/Linox there, you know it is compatible.
I am not a Mac nor Linux user myself, but I always mention what games are Mac/Linux compatible when trading my games. As I know some people just have Linux/Mac computer, and want games just for those. :)
Yes they mighjt be in the minorty, but still...
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What really angers me in regards to ppl talking about GNU/Linux is that a lot of them expect to be running all their collection of software (made for windows) on it. I mean, come on, you didn't expect to run all Amiga games on PC or to run playstation games on xbox, why do people expect to run windows apps/games on Linux and disregard it when they learn that it's not possible? It's a different platform, it has it's own software and in some cases (big budget games being one) requires completely new software to be written. It's not about the games that were released in the past, it's about the games that are going to be released in the future, cause the majority those past ones is not going to get ported. Big companies make games as products, and after a few months they drop supporting them. Try running a win98 game on winxp - it most probably won't work without making a large effort of finding custom patches, hacking binaries, emulating stuff, etc...
TL;DR - most windows games won't be ever ported to GNU/Linux - get over it and stop bashing the OS because the companies don't care about their customers.
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Just updated my Steam client, which always results in the "News" tab popping up, no mentioning of this. Even though all of this seems useless to me it kinda got me curious.
Isn't this supposed to be some kind of big event? Splitting the announcement up in three etc, yet I can't find any information about this anywhere unless I search for it in Google? It's not shown on the store front, it's not mentioned under news/updates/press releases etc? Just seems odd.
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OS for TV? ROTFL. This is my OS for TV
And i have TV with DLNA.
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Yeah, except everyone doesn't have their gaming rig right next to their TV. I can't use a HDMI cable for example. It's just too far, with the computer on the second floor and the TV on the first.
Extending HDMI cables that far would require some additional stuff like signal boosters or sending the HDMI signal over a Cat6 cable. Then I'd have to do the same with the USB cables to control the computer.
That's a lot of work for something that takes a few mouse clicks if done by streaming.
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SteamOS. omg!
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