That's absolutely terrible, but if the kid knows what raping is(probably taught to him by the stupid public schools who find it important to teach sex ed in 1st grade), and if he knows how to kill before she can even do anything about it, then there is something wrong in the way he was raised. He was exposed to many things he shoudnt have been just like many kids today. It's just aweful.
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Games do affect kids. With a society like America where violent movies make billions and serial killers are given prime time on News Networks these things are bound to happen. Little to no parenting + guns in every household. What can you expect from an upset 14 yo kid?
USA need some serious re-institution of there family system.
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Games affect kids, I agree. But games don't have this effect on the majority of people. Thus, all games, even violent games, are safe. Just not around kids who are not mentally fit to play violent games.
If Sesame Street taught me to count, and Ultima IV + Final Fantasy on the 8-bit NES helped teach me to read, then violent video games -can- teach children to commit violence. This means parents of kids who aren't mentally ready to separate reality and fantasy should keep their kids from playing violent games, from viewing violent movies and tv, and keep them from reading about violence.
Their kids are a menace. Leave my violent products alone. They are a catharsis against my desire to strangle adults pushing for censorship of material meant for adult consumption.
F**k censorship. Choose responsible parenting instead.
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That kid is just fucked up. I just cannot believe he went and said "I must have ADD" because ADD doesn't cause people to think it is fine to commit murder and rape.
Nah, he's definitely not mentally sound, but it's not ADD. Also the whole "I killed her with my .22" um, he's not old enough to own a gun. He seriously thinks that gun is his and obviously that he can use it as he sees fit.
And of course people will blame this on video games or guns when the real issue at hand is that this kid is definitely not mentally sound. Guns and video games don't kill people. The person who pulled the trigger killed someone.
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I don't see anything in BernardoOne's link to suggest that a gun killed someone without orders from a human. Accident or not, a human asked a gun to shoot another human.
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If I begin to use keyboards as an instrument of murder, keyboards will be banned. Good luck typing your drivel with that. Touchscreen keyboards will be banned as keyboarding games, training the kids to kill.
I don't murder people with guns. Just because you think I will, doesn't mean I will.
The will of the people must be inviolate, for better or for worse. The freedom of the individual ends where the freedom of the next individual begins. The possession of an object by your neighbor does not violate your freedom, therefore, you cannot violate his freedom by complaining that your vagina itches.
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You cannot, however, argue that guns are, from the ground up, not designed for killing. That is a fact. It is their direct and intended purpose.
I seriously do not get why it is so easy to get guns legally (varies by country I suppose). That shit should be limited to police/army and very specific situations for civilians.
An armed society benefits nobody.
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Guns are designed to kill. To kill is their main purpose. Not the same as a keyboard.
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...so?
Yeah, (most) guns are designed to kill. The gun I carry is not a target gun, it was not designed to kill deer or other animals - it was designed to put 115 grains of lead in human targets efficiently and reliably. So now I ask... so what?
Do you believe an inanimate object can somehow be imbued with moral intent?
A question: Is it okay for police officers to carry guns, but not us common folk? If so, then you cede that the gun itself is not the relevant part of the moral equation, but rather the intent in which it is wielded, right? And surely, you wouldn't look me in the eye and tell me that my intent to defend my own life is evil - would you?
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Are you actually saying that you carry a gun with you so you can shoot people? I understand, I guess, having one for self defense or storing it in your house for the same purpose but the way you've worded it makes it sound like you're just going to go around shooting people :V
(No I'm not attacking guns, morals, laws, ethics etc etc, I'm just a little confused and concerned by your wording)
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No...and I don't understand how you could've drawn that conclusion. I carry a gun so that, if I am forced to by a defensive situation, I can shoot someone, yes - but I would only do that in an absolute worst case scenario where my life and safety is threatened, of course.
My sidearm was designed to shoot humans, not animals or targets - it's not a target pistol or meant for handgun hunting. I'm not debating or denying that fact, merely calling it totally irrelevant.
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I guess it's because of how it kinda sounds like you carry a gun with you all the time and how nonchalant you seem about carrying a gun and the idea of shooting someone else.
Maybe it's not living in the states that gives me a different perspective on things like this (and why I don't get so angry and worked up about gun crime and laws).
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"I guess it's because of how it kinda sounds like you carry a gun with you all the time"
It sounds that way because I do. Well, I would - the only reason I don't is that Maryland won't let me (prevent crime by disarming victims, yay!), but I'm licensed to carry in almost every state in the Union and I do carry in other states. Again, this is just profoundly normal to me. I see a sidearm the same way I see my cell phone and my keys and my wallet. I don't go anywhere without 'em if I can help it.
As for the idea of shooting someone, I guess I have been acting overly cavalier. The truth is, I did a lot of soul-searching when asking myself if I was truly willing to take a life to defend mine. It's really not an easy decision - and if it is, you're doing it wrong. The truth is, I hope to God I can carry a gun every day of my life and never, ever, ever be put in a position to have to use it. I don't want to, and I would feel terrible if I had to, but I would if I absolutely had to do so. I'd rather feel terrible for having killed a criminal than feel terrible for having survived a rape or a mugging or something - and that's assuming I survive!
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I completely agree with you that if it's an easy decision to take the life of someone else than you're doing it wrong. The fact that you've done a lot of soul searching and still don't feel 100% fine with doing it deserves respect :) There are many people out there who don't ask themselves these questions and really don't stop to think what taking someone's life really means.
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well it was a present from his mom so it's his gun..
"Mr Crooks added that the mother and son would fight often, but later make up and play games together. She was the one who bought the .22 caliber Ruger as a present for Noah in 2010 when he was about 11 years old."
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I figured there was some bad parenting involved, and Shindo found it for me. I couldn't care enough about the fate of two people rightfully removed from the gene pool to research this myself.
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The same story here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzjxGT0TKp0
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They can kill a man. 650 to 700 feet per second, it begins to be dangerous if you're aiming for eyes. If you're aiming at a small child or the elderly, who have softer or thinner skin, you can break into the abdominal cavity if you slip between muscle. The eyes are no problem at all.
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Ummm, I'm not sure what your point is? I'm saying people get rifles at a young age to hunt and kill deer, not humans O.O
Edit: I'm not saying the only reason is to hunt deer, but it is one of the more socially accepted reasons.
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My point would be that everything can kill if used properly. You could kill with a strip of leather, a toothpick, a bottle of water, a wired gamepad, but we don't ban these items. They are lethal with minimal information, and far easier to obtain than a firearm.
Deer hunting does not need to be the go-to response when talking about gun control, because that excludes all manner of more reliable and very effective firearms for self defense. A small handgun is a poor hunting weapon at deer range, but excels at self defense.
If firearms are restricted to hunting rifles, I think I'll cancel any trips to NYC or Chicago I may have been planning for guild meets. Bunch of predators in the public transportation hubs. I don't have the skill to take them in a fair fight, and maybe next time they won't be satisfied with taking my wallet and a casual 'Here you are, good sir. Might I take my leave?'
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I don't know why you are responding with such hostility and I do not see why what you are saying has any relevance. The guy I responded to asked why a 12 year old would need a rifle (nothing was mentioned about handguns) instead of just getting an airsoft gun, and I said that airsoft rifles can't really be used for hunting and still can be used to kill people. It seems to me that we both agree on this, so why are you arguing with me?
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Why the hell do you get to decide what people "need"?
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Is stupid to give a child a gun, as it's stupid to give him a machete, and that's why they are forbidden to drive. You can't drive a car cause you might kill somebody or yourself. Here, take this rifle instead.
I don't get to decide what people need, I just don't understand why would you give a 12 year old kid a gun, no matter how responsible he is.
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You don't have to understand it. What people do in the privacy of their own home is none of your damn business. I'm absolutely certain that a lot of the activities you consider to be profoundly normal would be denounced by other cultures as being stupid, too.
Oh, and children are perfectly allowed to drive cars on private land, just not on public roads. Anyone who lives in rural states or on farms can tell you that. Likewise, children aren't exactly toting their rifles around when they're out in public, are they? It's not like I'm advocating giving twelve year olds CCLs.
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Hey, I'm just asking a question. Where do you get off deciding what other people "need"?
It pisses me off to no end when people advocate restricting my rights because they think they have any standing and right to decide what other people need and how other people should live.
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I don't see what your problem is. If you have a right to voice your opinion, so do we. Or are you saying that we have no right to comment on your post?
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"Why the hell do you get to decide what people "need"?" and "What people do in the privacy of their own home is none of your damn business" sounds more like "shut the fuck up" than giving an opinion to be honest. I don't know why he reacted as if I was taking his gun away from him, I just find it really dangerous to give a kid a gun.
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Ah, I see. It was a little bit hostile on both sides, so kind of confusing.
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Yes, I recognize that I might have been a bit harsh saying that I find it stupid, cause to me it's really irresponsible to give a kid a gun, but I don't understand why he took it as a personal offense. I really don't know why someone would give a kid a gun, I'm not saying that nobody should have them (though I don't approve that either, but I didn't say that), and he's been answering like that's what I was saying, trying to restrict "his rights".
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See, that's a home that nobody will rob when the owner is home. Call the owner crazy, but he's safer from any gangs in his neighborhood than the guy who fears guns and always wears a second pair of underwear in case the first one gets soiled at the sight of a gun in an undercover cop's hands.
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I'd rather be packing heat than get myself killed. I live in Baltimore, MD, and sometimes, yeah, having a gun is really just plain necessary.
And it's not lawful gun owners I've ever had to defend myself from.
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Holy shit. I'm not willing to live on this planet anymore. Just like Charles Baudelaire said, "anywhere out of this world". I know some journalists and politicians morons will blame call of duty.
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You don't hear much about the children of responsible gun owners killing people with guns. Why did she give a mentally deficient child a rifle?
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A lot of times, parents don't take the time to find out what kind of psychopath they're raising. An absentee parent is still a parent, just not of the kid they believe they have.
If a parent doesn't know their child is mentally deficient because they don't know their child, they have failed as a parent. They should take full responsibility for everything their child has done.
You don't get to breed and complain when people expect you to be responsible for your offspring. Want a free pass? Don't have kids. Can't keep it in your pants? Get sterilized. If you can't act like an adult, you don't get to have adult rights within society. These people should be shipped off to their own little island, somewhere where their kids can only break their own toys.
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I'm sure this will find it's way to blaming the video games, and not the fact that the kid obviously has issues, or that the family gave their 11-year-old sun a damn gun - a stupid move in and of itself. Get the kid a less fatal gift. Teaching him to use it, I get, but not giving him one.
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Guns are a significant cultural icon in the United States, especially in rural areas. When you decry the entire practice as "stupid", you're basically judging an entire culture just for being different from your own.
Consider that a lot of people look down on video games the way you look down on guns.
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What a coincidence, this was posted yesterday too.
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I only played CoD once and that was Call of duty 4. Never picked CoD up again. Now I see 9-10 yr olds at the store talking to a worker about CoD Black ops II. This needs to stop.
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You don't stop a school bully by banning fists. Think about that. A gun-free zone is many things, but mostly an easy target. Nobody robs a gun store during business hours.
To fight violence, we need education. We need hands-on parenting to return. Violence doesn't stop when one weapon is taken away. There are an infinite supply of alternate weapons, which are plenty effective.
Parents are so lacking, they don't even let the school system discipline their kids when they act up or fail to take school seriously. You wanna grow up stupid? Keep on with what you're doing.
The NRA is just as dumb about all of this as the anti-gun people.
A gun is a gun. It does not shoot people. It gets used to shoot people, just like the police department gets used to shoot people. Ban the police. See how stupid this argument is? How about banning computers, since most of them are used for violent gaming which teaches violence to unsupervised children? Sure, computers are only tools, but they're often used for nefarious goals.
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.22s are VERY common first guns for children. They barely have more kick than air rifles and they're very cheap to shoot.
Some of us were raised with guns and didn't go insane, and we'd appreciate it if you didn't generalize us like that. In some of the red states, this is seen as profoundly normal.
It's just like giving your child a swimming pool, a trampoline, or anything else that kills kids (and swimming pools kill MANY times more children than guns do. yea that what happens when pools are free to buy for everyone, apparently.). You still have to exercise some common freaking sense.
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nice idea, gonna farm some hats and sell them on ebay !
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If we could disarm the entire nation, all at once, without missing a good deal of them, I would say that complete gun control lockdown would work.
But since there is no effective program to disarm criminals, I cannot demand that responsible civilians disarm themselves.
To demand that responsible gun owners disarm themselves is like asking car drivers to never drive again. There are bad drivers, and there are bad gun owners. We already remove driving rights from bad drivers. Why can't we aggressively remove guns from bad gun owners?
I suspect there are a lot of bad gun owners within the government, and within the NRA.
Do not let either side get away with saying that maintaining freedom means giving freedoms away.
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Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Almost anything can be used to kill someone, it's the people that use those things to kill that have the problem, not the things themselves.
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Same with cars. Yet we take away people's permission to drive if they have been found to be dangerous doing so. I think cheeseburgermafia was more going for the fact that that there should be some sort of way for the government to remove the permission to shoot a gun from people found the same.
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If you need the government's permission to exercise it, it is not a right, it is a privilege. The founding charter of our country says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Remember, rights are not given to us by the government. They are natural rights - they are given to us by god, nature, or whatever it is you believe in. Not a single US amendment gives us any rights. We naturally have them. The Constitution only protects them from being violated - and that is why the phrasings that document uses are along the lines of "Congress shall make no law..." and "The right of the people... shall not be infringed."
Sorry, but the government has no right to revoke permission to obtain firearms, because the government does not grant that right to begin with.
Now, if you're referring to criminals (aka people found guilty by "due process of law" - another bit of language that is actually kind of important), we already do that, genius. And quite honestly, I think we do a terrible job of it, but that's another argument.
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That is a totally funny, unique, original, and clever pun and nobody has ever thought of it before!
no, really, gun owners hear "hurr arms of a bear xD" about as often as they hear the ever-classic "compensating for something" line.
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Well it's a good job I never claimed for it to be totally funny, unique, original and a clever pun nobody has ever thought of before, isn't it? It'll be awkward if I did.
Calm down, relax, maybe look at the light side of things and don't react as if things are done to piss you off. Don't worry I don't want to take your gun away.
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Mentally ill 13 year old minor. Yeah! Deserves death sentence!!!
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The USA doesn't fund mental health programs enough. We too often prefer to kill or punish rather than treat and rehabilitate.
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How do you rehabilitate a kid who tried to rape and then killed his own mother? How?
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+1
Terrible country, sure there are worse but still...with all we could do we are pretty terrible.
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By the way, I was being sarcastic if you couldn't tell. Trying to convince him otherwise by sounding ridiculous, but apparently he actually doesnt care that this is a mentally ill 13 year old.
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Oh, my mistake. People attempt to rape their moms all the time, I guess it's a social norm.
Oh, wait, did you read the article at all?
Crooks suffers from intermittent explosive disorder - a mental illness marked by repeated episodes of impulsive, aggressive or violent behavior.
I never said to forgive him. Please try to find a post where I said that. Hint: You won't find anything, unless you think anything other than execution = "forgiving him"
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i actually question if he was mentally ill. the way he seemed to be trying to 'reason' what he did, to explain how it must have happened... i dunno, it just seemed a bit 'off' to me, almost as if he cooked up a story. i originally thought he was mentally impaired, but because it seemed so fishy im now leaning towards him being a psycho.
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Have I mentioned I have no faith in humanity? Especially these younger generations.
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